This is probably a ploy to fool the Tombay gods who have decreed that you will fall toward whichever side is still clipped in........:eek:

I love mine:D

A different angle on this would be - if you are going to be buying new pedals and shoes anyway, you might as well get road shoes and a true road specific pedal system. SPD pedals can work fine on a road bike, just as a hybrid bike can work fine riding on roads. But road specific pedals work better for road riding.
It really comes down to how much walking around you plan to do when riding this bike. If you will be riding the bike to places where you will be walking around for a good bit of time on most of the rides on that bike, SPD makes sense. But if you mostly plan to ride the bike with only occasional short stops for snacks, hydration and potty breaks, a road system would be my choice. I wouldn't want to walk a mile in my Look pedals, but with Kool Kovers in place, a walk through a convenience store or restroom is no problem at all.

Pedals aren't welded on. You can quickly change to SPDs if you are planning a ride that will involve more walking than your normal rides. That's what I do.

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I've never had a problem with the A520s in that regard. The tension doesn't seem to go as low as the M520s. I think the M520s are absurdly easy to get in and out of, so I could see that happening is you set the tension too low on those. But not the A520s. FWIW.

I read somewhere - don't know where - that if you are right-handed you should clip in with the left foot first and then the right because you have more control over your right foot . . . or something like that. :rolleyes: That's just backwards from what I normally do but I have been trying it lately and it works.

As for the part about "you will fall" with clipless pedals . . . I have been clipless on my mountain bike and my road bikes since the early 80's. I have never fallen. (Now watch. I'll probably go out and fall this morning. :o )

My son just converted to snap-in pedals and wonders, "what's all the fuss about falling over?" However, he's just shy of his 23rd birthday and quite adaptable.

The main factor keeping me from changing from toeclips and straps to a snap-in binder system is that I think it would be safest if I converted either all of my bikes or none of my bikes. Do any of you confidently switch between a strap-in pedal system and a snap-in pedal system without forgetting which is which in a panic stop?

This thread is not reassuring me about going clipless. It seems overwhelming in terms of choices about pedals, how to adjust them, and so on. How can something that should, it seems to me, be pretty simple get so complicated?

Now I'm (still) worried about falling over, and worried about making my knee problem worse, and buying/regretting the "wrong" pedal, and I'm getting overwhelmed with all the well-intended advice and opinion. (This is about me, not you...:) )

I have a headache. :(

Maybe that's why I like platforms so much. They are no-brainers. Kinda like me.

NO. Because since going Clipless- I can't ride a bike with vigour without them. So All my bikes have SPD's.

DG....you can't go getting hinky about clipless. It's just us BS'ing and getting pretentious. Do you have a pair of Look drilled (3 holes in a triangle pattern on the sole) road shoes? I'll send you a pair of old but very smooth running Look clipless to try out. but you can't keep them. ;) You'll just need to get a pair of bolt on cleats for $15 - $18. P.M. me. You're probably more of an SPD guy but try mine just for the experience.

Adjusting them isn't rockect science...you've got to get it pretty radically wrong to hurt yourself. As for falling, you know the old saw about two kinds of riders those who've fallen and those who will. A few falls are good for your cycling resume-- they make good stories to share with BF. Sometimes we talk about small things (e.g. whether to set your release tension one turn not two!!!) so much here (for want of bigger issues I guess or just for something to write about) that we misconfuse others.

Clipless aren't for everyone but they're worth trying......I recall you took 2 years to buy a real roadbike but now you're joyful and love Ruby. Let's not wait another 2 years for pedals.

(And your mom agrees with me!)

Yes. I have bikes with Look pedals, bikes with Eggbeaters, a bike with clips and straps and a bike with platforms. I go from one to the other without any trouble. Humans are pretty adaptable creatures. ;)

Well written CC.

I'm much like the male version of the Bronze Skin Girl. except I'm slow, and wrinkled and balding and graying, and I have a little paunch. And my legs, even when shaven, weren't anything like polished myrtle wood. More like cement. But I do have clipless sandals.

Have you ever walked into the edge of a mostly open door. Have you ever left a cupboard door open and the stood up under it. Have you ever tripped over an invisable crack in the sidewalk. And have you ever slipped while walking thus tweaking your back for a couple of days. Do not make light of the Gods of Tombay, they are waiting. Everything is simple Grasshopper but nothing is easy.

Don't fret, DG- it's not as bad as some are making it out to be. I switched from platforms to 520s about 2 months ago and absolutely love 'em. Have I fallen? Yes, twice. No big deal, I promiose you, except the first time was in front of about five young women taking a drink break, all in full kit with carbon. Ugh. Zero (forward) velocity, and a painless (physically) fall. Not even a scratch on my brifter or a scuff on my bar tape. Embarrassing is the key word here, but the women were very understanding and of course offered to help me up (thereby doubling the embarrassment :rolleyes:). Second time I was by myself, sono embarrassment- again, no forward velocity, and a painless fall. Little scrape on my knee- that was it. Both of these falls were because I forgot that I was clipped in!

Speaking of knees- I find that my knees don't bother me at all, even on hilly metrics, since I switched. Something about the plane of motion through the pedaling stroke and the reduction in shear forces when you use clipless.

I would suggest practicing- I don't have rollers or a trainer, so I did mine in a very slow circle on a wide path, with one foot clipped in at a time, then alternating, then both, practicing clipping in and out. I had it down in about 10 minutes, and that was that.

Just do it, DG- you'll be fine!

I've seen it happen several times, and the person always ended up saying they had the tension way down because they were afraid of not being able to clip out in time. (Yes, I asked them about the tension).
On my 'bent, I switched to Eggbeaters for a bit more float, and they have no adjustment. They are a bit harder to clip into than my SPD pedals(take more force), but very easy to get out of.

D G

Don't worry about going clipless. You may have a couple of "Moments" but providing you keep the brain in gear-Difficult I know- Falling wont happen for a couple of months- or never.

You have SPD shoes so forget about buying a pedal that will require a different shoe. As far as I can see- you have a choice of 4 pedals. The single sided with a platform on the other- that I would not recommend. The A520's that are a road pedal, but are single sided and I have just changed to on the new bike- and are a bit stiff to get into so don't recommend either.

That leaves you the choice of the M540 and the M520. Personally I have the 520's. They are cheaper and are not any different to the 540's. Life of the pedals is good as I have had the first pair since 99 and they are still good.

The problem you will find with clipless is when you get used to them in a couple of months. You will pull up at a junction and without thinkin you will attempt to put your foot down and it won't happen. Panic sets in and Tarmac sandwich. Right after that you start thinking about the pedals again so it never happens again.

DG, don't fret, it's not a big deal. You know how we are here about feeling the need to turn every piece of advice into a thesis. Just get the pedals, put them on, and go at it. I had mine for a over a year without a fall and then had 2 within 3 weeks. Both harmless and painless.

Looks to me like you just go buy what you want and then go practice around a lot of nice ladies. That way if there's any tumbles, you'll get lots of help and attention. Cool. ;)

+1 on Eggbeaters...they even work with Florsheims. Also you can get some styles in colours (trying to make Stapfam feel at home) to match your bike. Oh, wait, you have white, that isn't a color........never mind.

New to the forums here. Thought I would add my 2 cents to the clipless thing.

I've been riding mtn bikes for a while now, started out with SPD's and liked them, switched to CB eggbeaters, like them too probably better than the SPD's, although they were a bit hard to get used to - took a bunch of low speed crashes. Just switched to CB 50x/50x platforms about a month ago. Like them the best of everything I've used, I do loose a little pedal power but the convenience of wearing my light hikers and being more comfortable far outweight whatever loss of pedaling power I lost. I'm 52 years old and more interested in comfort and fitness (fitness comes 1st) than burning up the trails. If I had to evaluate myself using clipless compared to platforms I would say that I actually ride better and with more confidence with platforms.

+1. A520's are cool but M520's are wonderful. I bought mine for $39 on Ebay.

This should be the ultimate inducement for you to try clipless:

**heavy-handed irony alert**

Even I can use them.

First, after a period of dithering that made Hamlet look like Rudy Giuliani, DG gets a road bike -- a Roubaix, no less.

Then he starts talking about going clipless.

He's worried about falling over? Hell, given the above I'm worried about an impending disruption of the space/time continuum! :)

DG, most everything people are saying is true but makes it sound a lot more complicated than it is (you know, like how difficult it can be to explain a simple procedure in words). You get the kind you like. If you have a hard time clipping in, loosen the tension setting. If your feet slip out too easily, tighten them. You may well fall a time or two when you forget to unclip. You will only hurt your pride. The upside of clipless -- the efficiency, the decreased fatigue, the decrease of apparent effort -- are all worth it in spades. When I got my first clipless pedals they were for my hybrid. It was as if I'd gotten a new bike. I would not be without them. Both my bikes have them. To clip, or not to clip? Go for it, Prince of Denmark.

(I prefer Looks to SPD, as do most of the roadies I know -- but SPD MTB shoes can be more "walkable". I just found it easier to position my foot for clipping in with the Looks. I think you'll like the SPDs.)

DG

Don't worry about it. You're certain to fall 2 or 3 times. At the least you'll get some bruises and nasty scraps, but you'll probably break an arm or a leg. Big deal, so you'll be laid up for several weeks, off the bike, and put on 10-15 pounds. Then you can begin getting in shape all over again. No big deal, you've done it once, you can do it again.

Just sayin'

A cyclist who pretends he or she won't fall is living in an angelic realm of self denial. No one wants to fall. No one plans to fall on any given ride. But it probably will happen eventually. To avoid being hit by a cement truck, just do circles in your driveway...but then, what fun is that. Ski on the bunny hill and you probably won't crash, unless a bunny jinks in front of you.

DG......falls brought on by clipless pedals are most frequently "fall-overs". I've fallen down the steps of my house more than I've fallen over from clipless pedals. Personally, I don't think hurting yourself seriously due to clipless pedals is sufficiently likely to avoid using them. You have more chance of getting seriously smushed by a cement truck. In which case, don't ride. But I bet you'll keep riding, right?

I'm not THAT worried about the inevitable fall. What's given me the headache about all this is feeling overwhelmed by what should (to my uneducated brain) be pretty simple. Without any experience in clipless, I need to decide which pedal, how tight to adjust it, whether I'll be walking during a ride, and so on. I guess I was hoping that would be a pretty easy path to start down.

Frankly, spending $80 on a pair of pedals that I may not like, that may not be the best choice but only in hindsight, and so on just bugs me. There should be Beginner Clipless pedals -- not the best, but the best for newbies who can then, as they gain experience, know from that experience what is the best solution for their style of riding.

I'm probably making no sense to people who already ride clipless and think "What's the big deal?" but when I approach a counter (or look in a catalogue) at the endless array of pedals, I feel like the Russian managers who were brought to the USA for a training seminar some years back, and were taken to their first western grocery store, and were simply overwhelmed and stunned at all the choices.

Frankly the model I'm leaning toward is simply the one the guy in the store recommended. He probably recommended it because it costs more than the cheapest one in there, how would I know any better?

I keep thinking that a simple metal platform would be so much easier.

And I haven't had coffee yet this morning, so I'm probably a little grouchy!

I read some of the posts last night and, went to bed depressed. Well meaning I'm sure, but somewhat alarmist.

All I can share with you is what I did. I use SPD's set to one notch above minimum tension. I've NEVER had a problem unclipping. I've NEVER had a problem slipping out of the pedals and that includes hitting logs with my cranks on MTB single track. The ONLY time I fell when road biking (not mountain biking) was when I tried to use a SPD cleat in a Wellgo pedal. :rolleyes: Yeah, that was dumb. But I do have way more confidence when I stand on the road or trail and I firmly believe clipless are much safer than flats or cages.

DG, please move forward with your quest to go clipless and buy the pedals that YOU like that YOU think will work for you.

I've posted too much on this thread....my last shot. DG, you really can't go overly wrong too much with whatever clipless you choose. Given that you're not hardcore, beat your buddies, take no prisoners, etc....go with SPD for the road. Given the versatility of being able to walk around more easily at restaurants, etc., and that you already have spd shoes, and that we're talking oranges and grapefruit here, not oranges and oysters...........go spd.

And if you don't like 'em...well, those are just the dues you eventually pay in an equipment intensive past-time. Most of us have garages littered with disappointing purchases. Ask me about Brooks saddles, Ritchey anatomics, etc.

I feel safer attached to the pedal in many ways. Riding simple platforms a few years ago on my neighborhood bike, I hit a bump, my foot bounced off the pedal, my nards it the top tube and the pedal came 'round and chewed on my ankle. Nothing's simple or guaranteed....except people who switch to clipless 95 percent seem happy.

DG: I have a pair of SPD pedals and some SPD cleats that I will never use. You can get some SPD shoes for as cheap as $30 on Sierra or Nashbar on sale. Why don't you just play around for a while. I've even seen SPD shoes on Craig's list for $10. Let me know if you want me to send them to you.

Now that I've had some coffee, I came back to apologize for being grumpy. I do appreciate all the tips, suggestions, advice, and stories. Please accept my apology!

Why should we. Basically we have all been telling you to go Clipless. You have the shoes. I think most of us will suggest going fot the M520's as they are cheaper and as far as I can see- they are as good as any other. That is what most of us use.

Just put us out of our misery and post the pics of the first fall- Probably in about 6 months time when the fox jumps out in front of you on your second century of the year (08) and you are at the turn round point and the Nice nurse helps you get better with a massage.

I say go for it, I would never ride without my look pedals. Spds are nice too, just find a comfortable shoe and you will be alright. I might suggest a pair of northwaves, they have a little wider toe box, which is great for my wide feet. As far as pedals I love my pp 206 pedals, but if you have spds might as well use those to start.