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solveg 01-19-08 08:05 AM

George! Thanks! I missed that whole series of posts!

2manybikes 01-19-08 08:07 AM


Originally Posted by solveg (Post 6006635)
If it's -10, will my CO2 cartridges explode?

No, but it won't fill your tire either, unless you know exactly what to do. The pressure goes down, not up in the cold. As the cartridge emptys at room temperature they get covered with ice from the gas expansion. That's how air conditioners work.
This means that the nozzle will ice up and the co2 will not fill the tire much any way. Even at plus 25 degrees F it's a problem.
If you put the whole cartride under your coat until it is warm, and act very quickly you can fill a tire (sorta). If you are too slow it ices up. Covering it with a gloved hand helps.

Below freezing, bring a pump.

Don't leave them in the car during the summer, they can explode and blow out the windows.

Trsnrtr 01-19-08 10:05 AM


Originally Posted by 2manybikes (Post 6010683)
No, but it won't fill your tire either, unless you know exactly what to do. The pressure goes down, not up in the cold. As the cartridge emptys at room temperature they get covered with ice from the gas expansion. That's how air conditioners work.
This means that the nozzle will ice up and the co2 will not fill the tire much any way. Even at plus 25 degrees F it's a problem.
If you put the whole cartride under your coat until it is warm, and act very quickly you can fill a tire (sorta). If you are too slow it ices up. Covering it with a gloved hand helps.

I use a similar method when I have a flat in sub-freezing temps. The first thing that I do after stopping is stick a cartridge down my tights - no kidding. Then, when I'm ready to air the tire up, out comes the cart, screw it on the inflator and I've got a full tube in a couple of seconds. I've changed several flats in sub-freezing temps using CO2 without a problem. :)

JPMacG 01-19-08 10:08 AM

I don't know about the little bike CO2 cartridges, but air-gun CO2 cartridges will explode very impressively if thrown into a camp fire. That was 30 years ago when I was stupid (more stupid?). I'm lucky I didn't hurt anyone. Shrapnel must have landed over 100 feet from the fire.

Pat 01-19-08 10:15 AM

Gas pressure increases with temperature. The increase is proportional to the percentage increase of the temperature over absolute zero. Absolute zero is -273 degrees C which is even colder than Minnesota.

So to double the pressure you have to get to from 0 degrees C (freezing point of water), you have to go to 273 degrees C which is something like 400 degrees farenheit. So inflating your tire at low temperatures will not result in dangerously high pressures at shirt sleeve temperatures. Bike tires are generally made to blow off the rim at 2X the recommended pressure (or so I have heard).

JPMacG 01-19-08 10:18 AM

PV=nRT Universal gas law.

Tom Bombadil 01-19-08 10:56 AM

I found a couple of web sites which contained safety information about CO2 cartridges and they said that they are manufactured to be safe from -30 to +120. They can frequently go outside of those ranges without problems, but one should attempt to keep them within this range.

Big Paulie 01-19-08 10:59 AM


Originally Posted by solveg (Post 6008051)
I've seen visiting football players almost in tears from the cold.

When you say "visiting," do you mean on the football field, or at your place?

And if it's the latter, are you sure they're almost in tears "from the cold?"

:)

Tom Bombadil 01-19-08 11:03 AM

I hope to see some frozen tears on the cheeks of the NY Giants tomorrow.

JanMM 01-19-08 11:08 AM


Originally Posted by Tom Bombadil (Post 6011277)
I found a couple of web sites which contained safety information about CO2 cartridges and they said that they are manufactured to be safe from -30 to +120. They can frequently go outside of those ranges without problems, but one should attempt to keep them within this range.

I certainly try to keep myself within that temperature range.

Digital Gee 01-19-08 11:08 AM


Originally Posted by Tom Bombadil (Post 6011300)
I hope to see some frozen tears on the cheeks of the NY Giants tomorrow.

And some on the New England Patriots as well. :)

Tom Bombadil 01-19-08 12:08 PM

The current prediction for the weather at game time in Green Bay is 0 degrees with a -18 windchill factor.

I know of about 20 of my co-workers who are going to the game.

maddmaxx 01-19-08 01:00 PM

Will there be many of the no shirt green an yellow painted cheeseheads in the stands?

Tom Bombadil 01-19-08 01:16 PM

I'm sure there won't be as many. I am also sure there will still be some.

KLW2 01-19-08 01:18 PM


Originally Posted by BCIpam (Post 6007500)
Speaking of low temperatures I have to travel to St. Paul MN next week. I live in Southern California. It's 65 degrees out and I am freezing! I wear a winter coat when it's 50! It's like going to be 5 degrees today in MN (not counting the wind chill). Will I die**********? :(

No, but you may wish...don't worry the outside exposure is limited going between the car and building etc...
By the way, lake riding is fun!!!!

Tom Bombadil 01-19-08 01:25 PM

If you are going to downtown Minneapolis, then don't worry. That is the cold weather wuss capitol of the Great North. Every building is connected via heated walkways, there are heated tunnels around, a lot of them at Gopher Wuss University.

Here in Madison there are no heated walkways, or even covered walkways. No tunnels on campus. We even play football outdoors (likewise in Green Bay).

In Minneapolis people go to their heated garages, get into their cars, drive to heated or covered parking lots, take the heated elevators to the heated walkways and walk to their office. At lunch they walk via their heated walkways to restaurants or stores. They never even go outside during the day.

Digital Gee 01-19-08 03:50 PM


Originally Posted by Tom Bombadil (Post 6011861)
In Minneapolis people go to their heated garages, get into their cars, drive to heated or covered parking lots, take the heated elevators to the heated walkways and walk to their office. At lunch they walk via their heated walkways to restaurants or stores. They never even go outside during the day.

You make it sound like that's a bad thing! :)

Tom Bombadil 01-19-08 04:03 PM

Must admit there have been days when I had to walk across campus into bitter winds blowing off of Lake Mendota when I would have liked the option of a walkway or tunnel.

solveg 01-19-08 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by Big Paulie (Post 6011288)
When you say "visiting," do you mean on the football field, or at your place?

And if it's the latter, are you sure they're almost in tears "from the cold?"

:)

The were cowering like toddlers in the doorways of buildings on the news....

Pam is going to St. Paul. I don't think there are skyways in St. Paul....

Tom Bombadil 01-19-08 05:02 PM

There are a bunch of them in St. Paul too. I've been in some of them.

I should have said Minneapolis-St. Paul is the capitol of cold weather wusses.

http://www.saint-paul.com/maps/skyway.html

solveg 01-19-08 05:08 PM

When I worked downtown, there was a skyway between where I worked and the YMCA, so the Y was basically right down the hall. That rocked.

KLW2 01-19-08 05:26 PM

I think Tom should drive 6 hours up here to ride with us in the land of wusses,, we could even bike outdoors in his honor..what do you think sloveg?

2manybikes 01-19-08 05:46 PM


Originally Posted by Trsnrtr (Post 6011068)
I use a similar method when I have a flat in sub-freezing temps. The first thing that I do after stopping is stick a cartridge down my tights - no kidding. Then, when I'm ready to air the tire up, out comes the cart, screw it on the inflator and I've got a full tube in a couple of seconds. I've changed several flats in sub-freezing temps using CO2 without a problem. :)

:lol:

It works OK just putting it under a couple of layers up top ...Honest !!

Tom Bombadil 01-19-08 05:48 PM

The major reason why Green Bay renovated Lambeau Field a few years ago, instead of building a new stadium, was because the NFL dictated that new stadiums above a certain latitude, had to be domed. Not wanting to play in a dome, they renovated, even though the renovation was so extensive that it cost as much as a new stadium. So when the Vikings come over to play in Green Bay in December, the Packers have an advantage because the Vikings aren't used to playing in cold weather.

I know there are many hardy souls all across Minnesota, including, I'm sure, many in the Minn-StP suburbs. But those downtown workers, and Gopher students, have it easy.

solveg 01-19-08 06:16 PM


Originally Posted by KLW2 (Post 6013011)
I think Tom should drive 6 hours up here to ride with us in the land of wusses,, we could even bike outdoors in his honor..what do you think sloveg?

Yes. Tom, consider it a challenge! Come ride in MN!

Tom Bombadil 01-19-08 06:59 PM

I am hard to bait. It is cold enough here to practice riding in the cold without driving to Minnesota. And you are probably riding on roads, which I don't do, unless there is a marked bike lane.

Besides, I'm going to Florida next week.

solveg 01-19-08 07:31 PM


Originally Posted by Tom Bombadil (Post 6013491)

Besides, I'm going to Florida next week.

Wuss

Tom Bombadil 01-19-08 07:57 PM

I'm a wuss for going to visit my Mother??? Oh, how, how could you use such mean language to a son going to spend time with his aging mommy?

I wouldn't mind spending 3-4 weeks down there in Jan/Feb. Not going to work 5 days a week, seeing the sun, having some green leaves around me on rides & walks. Yep, I could deal with that.

Pista Largo 01-20-08 12:31 PM


Originally Posted by BCIpam (Post 6007500)
Speaking of low temperatures I have to travel to St. Paul MN next week. I live in Southern California. It's 65 degrees out and I am freezing! I wear a winter coat when it's 50! It's like going to be 5 degrees today in MN (not counting the wind chill). Will I die**********? :(

It's going to be nippy here, you should probably bring a sweater.

solveg 01-20-08 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by Pista Largo (Post 6016692)
It's going to be nippy here, you should probably bring a sweater.

OK...suddenly there are Minnesotans all over the place.

Party. My place. June.


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