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McBTC 06-08-15 06:05 PM

I'm looking too but cadence is more important to me; and, if there's something new that doesn't require wires, all the better. Anyone liking Cateye's Strada wireless?

McBTC 06-11-15 11:28 AM

Done deal...


https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....jaL._SS75_.jpg
Cateye Strada 410 Digital Wireless Computer


Arriving tomorrow...

jedde 06-20-15 08:37 AM


Originally Posted by DougG (Post 17800951)
Unfortunately, at 68 I'm still as competitive as ever. I say "unfortunately" because it's what's led to my recent string of injury problems (running-related, not from biking). Back when I was a middle-of-the-pack runner, I didn't care that much about my time as long as I finished "in the top half" or whatever. But the last few years I've actually started placing much higher and even won my AG in a well-attended 10K a couple years ago. So now I tend to try to break into the top 3 at these events, and in a 5K that means running hard from start to finish. As a result I'm still trying to get over my latest hamstring pull and knee problems.

This is pretty much me too, now 65 and I ran my last 5k two years ago at 24:32. The R knee pain that results from running just not worth the risk. I really miss running but no pain when riding and I'd like to keep it that way.


Originally Posted by DougG (Post 17800951)
Fortunately, it hasn't affected my biking, and there's no way I'll take that up competitively!

Nor would I but still have that competitive spirit!

622keehner 06-21-15 02:14 AM

Retired from a college, want to get back (way back) to biking, & am hoping a folder arrives next week. Bike as I swim, slow but cheerful.
Favorite bikes from back (way back) when = 2 St. Raphael Geminianis, mixtes. They had a je ne sais quoi.
This is a fun thread, if thread's the right word.

JanMM 06-21-15 07:31 AM


Originally Posted by 622keehner (Post 17912623)
Retired from a college, want to get back (way back) to biking, & am hoping a folder arrives next week. Bike as I swim, slow but cheerful.
Favorite bikes from back (way back) when = 2 St. Raphael Geminianis, mixtes. They had a je ne sais quoi.
This is a fun thread, if thread's the right word.

mixtes like this? : http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g3...l/DSC_0468.jpg

New folder with 20 inch wheels?

622keehner 06-21-15 12:15 PM

Mixte, my mistake, wrong word for the St Rafs--women's bikes they were--had a mixte Raleigh ahhh.
New folder a 16 inch.

622keehner 06-21-15 06:41 PM

Correction--St Rafs did appear as in photo, except had a used look: 1st handpainted bumpy blue, 2nd rescued from thrift store. Great bikes.
How did you come across the St Raf in photo?

JanMM 06-21-15 08:44 PM


Originally Posted by 622keehner (Post 17914341)
Correction--St Rafs did appear as in photo, except had a used look: 1st handpainted bumpy blue, 2nd rescued from thrift store. Great bikes.
How did you come across the St Raf in photo?

Google. I don't remember ever hearing of Raphael bikes before.
specifically, I googled 'Raphael Geminianis mixte' images.

RDB 06-22-15 04:10 PM

I'm new on the forum but I'm 68 so I guess I belong here with the rest of you old Guys:thumb::thumb:


Cheers
Bob

McBTC 06-22-15 08:40 PM

After a certain age the more competitive among us have begun going by our resting heart rate instead of age... cheers.

TheManShow 06-22-15 09:02 PM

I am amazed there are 67 pages of old people talking about bicycling. I am an old people too.

Fastfingaz 06-23-15 02:59 PM


Originally Posted by jedde (Post 17910960)
This is pretty much me too, now 65 and I ran my last 5k two years ago at 24:32. The R knee pain that results from running just not worth the risk. I really miss running but no pain when riding and I'd like to keep it that way.


Nor would I but still have that competitive spirit!

,,,,,,,,,,,,I'm at 65 too I ran for years at good times now I'm trying to get my 5k to 25 min. I'm satisfied, even though there are runners in my group older and running 21-22 min 5k's,, I say let them and listen to your body ,,,If I had known I was gonna live this long ,I would have taken better care of myself....

McBTC 06-23-15 03:35 PM


Originally Posted by DougG (Post 17852482)
I also doubt it's "short cage." Your bike has the latest trend in gearing that has an 11-32 tooth spread on the cassette as opposed to the 12-27 that came on my last road bike with a similar crank. With a compact double crank, this gives you a lower climbing gear (34-32), which is better than the racier combo with a 34-27 low gear and is actually not that far from my oldest bike with its triple crank and a 30-27 lowest ratio.

The disadvantage of an 11-32 cassette IMO is that you lose having as many close-spaced cogs, but that 11th gear helps with that (on my 12-27 cassette, the first 6 gears are only a tooth apart).


Apparently, I was wrong about being a long cage RD. As it turns out, Shimano's new 11-speed derailleurs are either small or medium cage. As they're currently designed, "medium" 105s handle up to a 32T freewheel whereas the "short" 105s go to 28.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=460222

ltxi 06-25-15 06:50 PM


Originally Posted by RDB (Post 17917033)
I'm new on the forum but I'm 68 so I guess I belong here with the rest of you old Guys:thumb::thumb:


Cheers
Bob

Me, too....'cept I'm 72. Newly 99% retired and after 20 plus years away back into cycling. Got the time now, got the energy, and it's just freakin' great!

zeeway 06-26-15 02:36 PM

Well, I am pretty sure I qualify for this thread because I am 73 and just bought a Trek 7.4fx two weeks ago. Haven't ridden any distance except a 10 mile ride in Germany three years ago. So now I am riding a little every day in our neighborhood...2+ miles...and it is beginning to feel good. Our neighborhood is very hilly, so i get to use all the low gears for sure. My hands were going numb, so I had a stem extension installed and that has helped a lot with an 80% improvement. Today I bought some gloves with the tricky little pads, so I am hoping that does the rest of the improvement.

I have been a regular gym go-er for the last six or seven years, and before that I was a runner...long distances and very slow. So while I have some aerobic base, my body is still getting used to this new activity. I have a lot to learn.

I am happy to find this thread, because I thought I was the only 70+ year old riding...but now I know there are other strange people out there like me.

ltxi 06-26-15 04:48 PM


Originally Posted by zeeway (Post 17929733)
Well, I am pretty sure I qualify for this thread because I am 73 and just bought a Trek 7.4fx two weeks ago. Haven't ridden any distance except a 10 mile ride in Germany three years ago. So now I am riding a little every day in our neighborhood...2+ miles...and it is beginning to feel good. Our neighborhood is very hilly, so i get to use all the low gears for sure. My hands were going numb, so I had a stem extension installed and that has helped a lot with an 80% improvement. Today I bought some gloves with the tricky little pads, so I am hoping that does the rest of the improvement.

I have been a regular gym go-er for the last six or seven years, and before that I was a runner...long distances and very slow. So while I have some aerobic base, my body is still getting used to this new activity. I have a lot to learn.

I am happy to find this thread, because I thought I was the only 70+ year old riding...but now I know there are other strange people out there like me.

Too much weight on the hands will do that. Had the same issue at about 5-6 miles as I was getting acquainted with new bike before I began adjusting stuff. Stem changes fixed that for me as well.

Started out with a mile to, max, two miles a day. Within a month my daily distance was eight. For some reason, maybe a lot to do with my current bike, this is now a hell of a lot less "work" and more fun than when I last rode at age 50.

Strange is good, imo. Tho, over 70 I believe we now get to legitimately get to claim eccentric.

zeeway 06-27-15 12:33 PM

Izumi gloves with gel pads have helped my hand numbness about another 15%...only 5% to go. I have adjusted the grips, so I think next maybe some gel tape...there is such a thing, right?

McBTC 06-28-15 10:15 AM

I am experimenting with clip-on aerobars. Never used them before...

OldTryGuy 06-28-15 10:50 AM


Originally Posted by McBTC (Post 17933655)
I am experimenting with clip-on aerobars. Never used them before...

IMO, clip-on aerobars=best thing since sliced bread. Only way I can get out and enjoy longer rides on the road bikes.

McBTC 06-28-15 11:50 AM


Originally Posted by OldTryGuy (Post 17933744)
IMO, clip-on aerobars=best thing since sliced bread. Only way I can get out and enjoy longer rides on the road bikes.

Good to hear. I'm looking forward to that working out for me too.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=461240

fietsbob 06-28-15 01:00 PM

I brought the(aero+bullhorn Profile) bars up and closer, the real aero part was a Fairing, Zzipper"thriller"
not hunkering over like a Hunchback.

it was the rig for a 12 OW, 24 RT mile commute in the 90's , since dismantled, since I Moved House and then a different Town.

Houseboy522 06-29-15 10:52 AM


Originally Posted by McBTC (Post 17856193)
This is what I was thinking: 15 unique gears about equally spaced apart --e.g.,

Gear inch chart:

Shimano 50/34T Chainrings
11-Speed Freewheel

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34
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50
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11
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[TD="width: 55"]
82
[/TD]
[TD="width: 56"]
120
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[TR]
[TD="width: 64"]
12
[/TD]
[TD="width: 55"]
75
[/TD]
[TD="width: 56"]
110
[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD="width: 64"]
13
[/TD]
[TD="width: 55"]
69
[/TD]
[TD="width: 56"]
102
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 64"]
14
[/TD]
[TD="width: 55"]
64
[/TD]
[TD="width: 56"]
95
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 64"]
16
[/TD]
[TD="width: 55"]
56
[/TD]
[TD="width: 56"]
83
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 64"]
18
[/TD]
[TD="width: 55"]
50
[/TD]
[TD="width: 56"]
74
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 64"]
20
[/TD]
[TD="width: 55"]
45
[/TD]
[TD="width: 56"]
66
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 64"]
22
[/TD]
[TD="width: 55"]
41
[/TD]
[TD="width: 56"]
60
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 64"]
25
[/TD]
[TD="width: 55"]
36
[/TD]
[TD="width: 56"]
53
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 64"]
28
[/TD]
[TD="width: 55"]
32
[/TD]
[TD="width: 56"]
47
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 64"]
32
[/TD]
[TD="width: 55"]
28
[/TD]
[TD="width: 56"]
41
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]



So, a 50-22 combination at 70 rpm is 12.5 mph...
(60 * 70 * Pi / 12 * 60 / 5,280)

And, a 50-18 combo at 70 rpm = 15.4 mph

My suggestion for an improved 11-spd. freewheel combination for riders like me is:
15-16-17-18-19-20-22-24-26-30-34

Anything is possible with 1:1 and while a 34T may not be used that often, I for sure would get more use out of more closely spaced gears in the mid range than having the 11-12-13-14 cogs with the 50-ring as I won't be drafting in pelotons. The 50-15 combination with a cadence of 75 is about 20 mph -- other than when riding downhill, I'd need a tailwind to make that happen.

--e.g., something like this:

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[TD="class: xl63, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"][SUP]Ring[/SUP][SUB]Cog [/SUB]
[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]34[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]MPH (75 rpm)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]50[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]MPH (75 rpm)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]15[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]88[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"]19.6[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]16[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]83[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"]18.4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]17[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]78[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"]17.3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]18[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]50[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"]11.1[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]74[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"]16.4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]19[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]47[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"]10.6[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]70[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"]15.5[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]20[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]45[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"]10.0[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]66[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"]14.7[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]22[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]41[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"]9.1[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]60[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"]13.4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]24[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]38[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"]8.4[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]55[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"]12.2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]26[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]35[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"]7.7[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]30[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]30[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"]6.7[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]34[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]27[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"]5.9[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"][/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

McBTC bring up an aspect of gearing that is very interesting to ME. I have always wondered about the preponderance of cogs at the high end of gearing. I understand that with fewer teeth, the percentage of change is greater (with only one tooth difference) but I am wondering if something in a 13-32 is readily available. Any thoughts? (Do we need a new thread of this -or- can someone link me to an existing thread that covers this?)
Thanks

McBTC 06-29-15 11:21 AM

True, true... I think the days of assembling individual cogs on a freewheel went the way of 5-speed hubs. For example, the 11-tooth cog nowadays I believe is essentially the last 'nut' on a cassette.

But, there could be a market for an easy-rider freewheel that emphasizes closer spacing in the more highly-frequented midrange, even if at the sacrifice of top-end corncob gears. It's not an issue with triple cranks but for lower-geared compact double cranks with 11-speed hubs there seems to be the temptation to do-it-all from high to low whereas having more choices would be great.

Back in the 'old days' a triple with a 5-speed hub was called a 15-speed; but, many of the gears weren't especially useful compared to having about 16 evenly-spaced gears using a compact crank that would easily accommodate most riding situations I'd encounter. And, all of those unique gears could be accessed without a lot of double and cross shifting -- seems tailor-made for a Di2 system approach.

McBTC 06-29-15 05:04 PM

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=461535

I took the time yesterday to install the Cateye Strada 410 Double Wireless bike computer. Despite the fact the directions are in 30 languages you have to expect there will be confusion aplenty. Still, I was determined to eliminate the need for wires.

rauckr 06-30-15 07:55 PM

I was born in 1946 and so I am 68. However I am a post-war baby boomer since the war ended in 1945.

RonH 07-02-15 10:38 AM

Now that I'm 70-1/2, old age is beginning to rear its ugly head. :crash:
I did something to my back 2 weeks ago while working at the food pantry at my church. Went to the dr the next day and got a shot in the lower back and 10 day supply of muscle relaxers. No help! Went for lower back X-rays earlier this week. Seems I am in the beginning stages of osteopenia. :notamused: I'm having a bone density scan next week to see just how bad it is. Also starting physical therapy next week.
My primary care doc says I need to take calcium for the osteopenia. So I did some research on calcium types and have decided to go with this. Hope it helps the osteopenia.

My heart doc says not to take calcium supplements as it could end up in my arteries. I got an A+ on my stress test last month :thumb: so I'm not worried about the calcium ending up in my arteries.

The good thing is when I'm riding I don't have back pain. :beer: It occurs mainly when I do a lot of standing and walking. :o

Fastfingaz 07-02-15 02:24 PM


Originally Posted by RonH (Post 17945352)
Now that I'm 70-1/2, old age is beginning to rear its ugly head. :crash:
I did something to my back 2 weeks ago while working at the food pantry at my church. Went to the dr the next day and got a shot in the lower back and 10 day supply of muscle relaxers. No help! Went for lower back X-rays earlier this week. Seems I am in the beginning stages of osteopenia. :notamused: I'm having a bone density scan next week to see just how bad it is. Also starting physical therapy next week.
My primary care doc says I need to take calcium for the osteopenia. So I did some research on calcium types and have decided to go with this. Hope it helps the osteopen

My heart doc says not to take calcium supplements as it could end up in my arteries. I got an A+ on my stress test last month :thumb: so I'm not worried about the calcium ending up in my arter 65
The good thing is when I'm riding I don't have back pain. :beer: It occurs mainly when I do a lot of standing and walking. :o

That's real good news RonH Ive been having lower back pain for a while myself but that's the extent of it ,I joined a fitness center, and in there theres this machine that you kneal down on and tilt back, it's supposed to streach your spine, anyway I use it before my workout and after, so I notice that the pain has diminishd some what and I'm happy with that,, anyway hope you get some relief,, I had one Doctor tell me to stop riding altogether and start swimming,, but I didn't,,,

RonH 07-02-15 02:55 PM

Osteopenia is what you get before osteoporosis so stretching and bending won't help. My bones have begun to lose calcium.
http://www.womens-health-advice.com/...osteopenia.jpg

I'm guessing most of the PT exercises I will be doing will be weight bearing exercises.

DougG 07-03-15 06:25 AM


Originally Posted by RonH (Post 17945352)
My heart doc says not to take calcium supplements as it could end up in my arteries. I got an A+ on my stress test last month :thumb: so I'm not worried about the calcium ending up in my arteries.

As I found out recently, scoring well on a stress test does not necessarily mean a clean bill of health. I took a "fitness evaluation" program at a local hospital that did the whole works: echocardiogram, stress test, V02-max measurement (wearing a mask during the treadmill test), etc. i came through as expected with flying colors: normal EKG, 90th+ percentile for my age, etc. But due to having a pretty bad family history (on my dad's side) the cardiologist that I met with recommended getting a CT Calcium scoring scan that reveals calcium deposits in the coronary arteries, which is interpreted as a sign of plaque buildup.

Well, that turned out to be a lot worse than I had hoped and expected. So now my doctor is trying more aggressively to lower my LDL level (increased my statin dosage) and I've been less casual about my diet and BP readings. When I asked my doctor what good all this exercise has been if I'm on this path anyway, he said that without it I could well have had an event by now. And indeed, my younger brother -- who does not do any aerobic exercising -- had a mild heart attack at about 62 when he was 6 years younger than I am now.

On the upside, after all this medication adjustment, I ran a half-marathon last weekend in 2:10, which was only 10 minutes slower than my previous one a couple years ago when I was much better trained (and younger!).

RonH 07-03-15 07:34 AM

This was my one year followup stress test. Had a stent put in my mid-LAD in April 2014.


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