65-85+ Thread
#1653
Senior Member
Joined: Mar 2005
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From: Mentor, Ohio
Bikes: Jamis: '05 Quest and '08 Xenith Comp
Unfortunately, at 68 I'm still as competitive as ever. I say "unfortunately" because it's what's led to my recent string of injury problems (running-related, not from biking). Back when I was a middle-of-the-pack runner, I didn't care that much about my time as long as I finished "in the top half" or whatever. But the last few years I've actually started placing much higher and even won my AG in a well-attended 10K a couple years ago. So now I tend to try to break into the top 3 at these events, and in a 5K that means running hard from start to finish. As a result I'm still trying to get over my latest hamstring pull and knee problems.
Nor would I but still have that competitive spirit!
#1654
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Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 7
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Retired from a college, want to get back (way back) to biking, & am hoping a folder arrives next week. Bike as I swim, slow but cheerful.
Favorite bikes from back (way back) when = 2 St. Raphael Geminianis, mixtes. They had a je ne sais quoi.
This is a fun thread, if thread's the right word.
Favorite bikes from back (way back) when = 2 St. Raphael Geminianis, mixtes. They had a je ne sais quoi.
This is a fun thread, if thread's the right word.
#1655
rebmeM roineS

Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 16,230
Likes: 363
From: Metro Indy, IN
Bikes: Bacchetta Giro A20, RANS V-Rex, RANS Screamer
Retired from a college, want to get back (way back) to biking, & am hoping a folder arrives next week. Bike as I swim, slow but cheerful.
Favorite bikes from back (way back) when = 2 St. Raphael Geminianis, mixtes. They had a je ne sais quoi.
This is a fun thread, if thread's the right word.
Favorite bikes from back (way back) when = 2 St. Raphael Geminianis, mixtes. They had a je ne sais quoi.
This is a fun thread, if thread's the right word.

New folder with 20 inch wheels?
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Bacchetta Giro A20, RANS V-Rex, RANS Screamer
Bacchetta Giro A20, RANS V-Rex, RANS Screamer
#1658
rebmeM roineS

Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 16,230
Likes: 363
From: Metro Indy, IN
Bikes: Bacchetta Giro A20, RANS V-Rex, RANS Screamer
specifically, I googled 'Raphael Geminianis mixte' images.
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Bacchetta Giro A20, RANS V-Rex, RANS Screamer
Bacchetta Giro A20, RANS V-Rex, RANS Screamer
Last edited by JanMM; 06-22-15 at 06:08 PM.
#1662
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Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 1,389
Likes: 25
This is pretty much me too, now 65 and I ran my last 5k two years ago at 24:32. The R knee pain that results from running just not worth the risk. I really miss running but no pain when riding and I'd like to keep it that way.
Nor would I but still have that competitive spirit!
Nor would I but still have that competitive spirit!
#1663
I also doubt it's "short cage." Your bike has the latest trend in gearing that has an 11-32 tooth spread on the cassette as opposed to the 12-27 that came on my last road bike with a similar crank. With a compact double crank, this gives you a lower climbing gear (34-32), which is better than the racier combo with a 34-27 low gear and is actually not that far from my oldest bike with its triple crank and a 30-27 lowest ratio.
The disadvantage of an 11-32 cassette IMO is that you lose having as many close-spaced cogs, but that 11th gear helps with that (on my 12-27 cassette, the first 6 gears are only a tooth apart).
The disadvantage of an 11-32 cassette IMO is that you lose having as many close-spaced cogs, but that 11th gear helps with that (on my 12-27 cassette, the first 6 gears are only a tooth apart).
Apparently, I was wrong about being a long cage RD. As it turns out, Shimano's new 11-speed derailleurs are either small or medium cage. As they're currently designed, "medium" 105s handle up to a 32T freewheel whereas the "short" 105s go to 28.
#1664
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From: Colorado
#1665
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Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 98
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From: Low Country, SC, USA
Bikes: Trek Madone 2.5, single speed
Well, I am pretty sure I qualify for this thread because I am 73 and just bought a Trek 7.4fx two weeks ago. Haven't ridden any distance except a 10 mile ride in Germany three years ago. So now I am riding a little every day in our neighborhood...2+ miles...and it is beginning to feel good. Our neighborhood is very hilly, so i get to use all the low gears for sure. My hands were going numb, so I had a stem extension installed and that has helped a lot with an 80% improvement. Today I bought some gloves with the tricky little pads, so I am hoping that does the rest of the improvement.
I have been a regular gym go-er for the last six or seven years, and before that I was a runner...long distances and very slow. So while I have some aerobic base, my body is still getting used to this new activity. I have a lot to learn.
I am happy to find this thread, because I thought I was the only 70+ year old riding...but now I know there are other strange people out there like me.
I have been a regular gym go-er for the last six or seven years, and before that I was a runner...long distances and very slow. So while I have some aerobic base, my body is still getting used to this new activity. I have a lot to learn.
I am happy to find this thread, because I thought I was the only 70+ year old riding...but now I know there are other strange people out there like me.
#1666
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Joined: May 2015
Posts: 1,719
Likes: 1
From: Colorado
Well, I am pretty sure I qualify for this thread because I am 73 and just bought a Trek 7.4fx two weeks ago. Haven't ridden any distance except a 10 mile ride in Germany three years ago. So now I am riding a little every day in our neighborhood...2+ miles...and it is beginning to feel good. Our neighborhood is very hilly, so i get to use all the low gears for sure. My hands were going numb, so I had a stem extension installed and that has helped a lot with an 80% improvement. Today I bought some gloves with the tricky little pads, so I am hoping that does the rest of the improvement.
I have been a regular gym go-er for the last six or seven years, and before that I was a runner...long distances and very slow. So while I have some aerobic base, my body is still getting used to this new activity. I have a lot to learn.
I am happy to find this thread, because I thought I was the only 70+ year old riding...but now I know there are other strange people out there like me.
I have been a regular gym go-er for the last six or seven years, and before that I was a runner...long distances and very slow. So while I have some aerobic base, my body is still getting used to this new activity. I have a lot to learn.
I am happy to find this thread, because I thought I was the only 70+ year old riding...but now I know there are other strange people out there like me.
Started out with a mile to, max, two miles a day. Within a month my daily distance was eight. For some reason, maybe a lot to do with my current bike, this is now a hell of a lot less "work" and more fun than when I last rode at age 50.
Strange is good, imo. Tho, over 70 I believe we now get to legitimately get to claim eccentric.
Last edited by ltxi; 06-26-15 at 04:52 PM.
#1667
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Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 98
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From: Low Country, SC, USA
Bikes: Trek Madone 2.5, single speed
Izumi gloves with gel pads have helped my hand numbness about another 15%...only 5% to go. I have adjusted the grips, so I think next maybe some gel tape...there is such a thing, right?
Last edited by zeeway; 06-27-15 at 12:36 PM.
#1669
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Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 5,961
Likes: 1,381
From: SW Fl.
Bikes: 1999 DAHON Mariner, Day6 Semi Recumbent "FIREBALL", 1981 Custom Touring Paramount, 1983 Road Paramount, 2013 Giant Propel Advanced SL3, 2018 Specialized Red Roubaix Expert mech., 2002 Magna 7sp hybrid, 1976 Bassett Racing 45sp Cruiser
#1670
#1671
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Posts: 43,586
Likes: 1,380
From: NW,Oregon Coast
Bikes: 8
I brought the(aero+bullhorn Profile) bars up and closer, the real aero part was a Fairing, Zzipper"thriller"
not hunkering over like a Hunchback.
it was the rig for a 12 OW, 24 RT mile commute in the 90's , since dismantled, since I Moved House and then a different Town.
not hunkering over like a Hunchback.
it was the rig for a 12 OW, 24 RT mile commute in the 90's , since dismantled, since I Moved House and then a different Town.
#1672
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This is what I was thinking: 15 unique gears about equally spaced apart --e.g.,
Gear inch chart:
Shimano 50/34T Chainrings
11-Speed Freewheel
[TABLE="class: MsoNormalTable, width: 131"]
[TR]
[TD="width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"][/TD]
[TD="width: 55, bgcolor: transparent"][/TD]
[TD="width: 56, bgcolor: transparent"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 64"][/TD]
[TD="width: 55"][/TD]
[TD="width: 56"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 64"][/TD]
[TD="width: 55"][/TD]
[TD="width: 56"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 64"][/TD]
[TD="width: 55"][/TD]
[TD="width: 56"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 64"][/TD]
[TD="width: 55"][/TD]
[TD="width: 56"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 64"][/TD]
[TD="width: 55"][/TD]
[TD="width: 56"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 64"][/TD]
[TD="width: 55"][/TD]
[TD="width: 56"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 64"][/TD]
[TD="width: 55"][/TD]
[TD="width: 56"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 64"][/TD]
[TD="width: 55"][/TD]
[TD="width: 56"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 64"][/TD]
[TD="width: 55"][/TD]
[TD="width: 56"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 64"][/TD]
[TD="width: 55"][/TD]
[TD="width: 56"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 64"][/TD]
[TD="width: 55"][/TD]
[TD="width: 56"][/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
So, a 50-22 combination at 70 rpm is 12.5 mph...
(60 * 70 * Pi / 12 * 60 / 5,280)
And, a 50-18 combo at 70 rpm = 15.4 mph
My suggestion for an improved 11-spd. freewheel combination for riders like me is:
15-16-17-18-19-20-22-24-26-30-34
Anything is possible with 1:1 and while a 34T may not be used that often, I for sure would get more use out of more closely spaced gears in the mid range than having the 11-12-13-14 cogs with the 50-ring as I won't be drafting in pelotons. The 50-15 combination with a cadence of 75 is about 20 mph -- other than when riding downhill, I'd need a tailwind to make that happen.
--e.g., something like this:
[TABLE="width: 240"]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl63, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"][SUP]Ring[/SUP][SUB]Cog [/SUB]
[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]34[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]MPH (75 rpm)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]50[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]MPH (75 rpm)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]15[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]88[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"]19.6[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]16[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]83[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"]18.4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]17[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]78[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"]17.3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]18[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]50[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"]11.1[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]74[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"]16.4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]19[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]47[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"]10.6[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]70[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"]15.5[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]20[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]45[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"]10.0[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]66[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"]14.7[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]22[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]41[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"]9.1[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]60[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"]13.4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]24[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]38[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"]8.4[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]55[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"]12.2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]26[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]35[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"]7.7[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]30[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]30[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"]6.7[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]34[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]27[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"]5.9[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"][/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Gear inch chart:
Shimano 50/34T Chainrings
11-Speed Freewheel
[TABLE="class: MsoNormalTable, width: 131"]
[TR]
[TD="width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]
Rings
/
Cogs
/
Cogs
[TD="width: 55, bgcolor: transparent"]
34
[TD="width: 56, bgcolor: transparent"]
50
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 64"]
11
[TD="width: 55"]
82
[TD="width: 56"]
120
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 64"]
12
[TD="width: 55"]
75
[TD="width: 56"]
110
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 64"]
13
[TD="width: 55"]
69
[TD="width: 56"]
102
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 64"]
14
[TD="width: 55"]
64
[TD="width: 56"]
95
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 64"]
16
[TD="width: 55"]
56
[TD="width: 56"]
83
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 64"]
18
[TD="width: 55"]
50
[TD="width: 56"]
74
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 64"]
20
[TD="width: 55"]
45
[TD="width: 56"]
66
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 64"]
22
[TD="width: 55"]
41
[TD="width: 56"]
60
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 64"]
25
[TD="width: 55"]
36
[TD="width: 56"]
53
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 64"]
28
[TD="width: 55"]
32
[TD="width: 56"]
47
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 64"]
32
[TD="width: 55"]
28
[TD="width: 56"]
41
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
So, a 50-22 combination at 70 rpm is 12.5 mph...
(60 * 70 * Pi / 12 * 60 / 5,280)
And, a 50-18 combo at 70 rpm = 15.4 mph
My suggestion for an improved 11-spd. freewheel combination for riders like me is:
15-16-17-18-19-20-22-24-26-30-34
Anything is possible with 1:1 and while a 34T may not be used that often, I for sure would get more use out of more closely spaced gears in the mid range than having the 11-12-13-14 cogs with the 50-ring as I won't be drafting in pelotons. The 50-15 combination with a cadence of 75 is about 20 mph -- other than when riding downhill, I'd need a tailwind to make that happen.
--e.g., something like this:
[TABLE="width: 240"]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl63, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"][SUP]Ring[/SUP][SUB]Cog [/SUB]
[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]34[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]MPH (75 rpm)[/TD]
[TD="class: xl64, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]50[/TD]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]MPH (75 rpm)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]15[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]88[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"]19.6[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]16[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]83[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"]18.4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]17[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]78[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"]17.3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]18[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]50[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"]11.1[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]74[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"]16.4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]19[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]47[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"]10.6[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]70[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"]15.5[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]20[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]45[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"]10.0[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]66[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"]14.7[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]22[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]41[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"]9.1[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]60[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"]13.4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]24[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]38[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"]8.4[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]55[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"]12.2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]26[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]35[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"]7.7[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]30[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]30[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"]6.7[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl65, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]34[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"]27[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"]5.9[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 64, bgcolor: transparent"][/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, bgcolor: transparent"][/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Thanks
#1673
True, true... I think the days of assembling individual cogs on a freewheel went the way of 5-speed hubs. For example, the 11-tooth cog nowadays I believe is essentially the last 'nut' on a cassette.
But, there could be a market for an easy-rider freewheel that emphasizes closer spacing in the more highly-frequented midrange, even if at the sacrifice of top-end corncob gears. It's not an issue with triple cranks but for lower-geared compact double cranks with 11-speed hubs there seems to be the temptation to do-it-all from high to low whereas having more choices would be great.
Back in the 'old days' a triple with a 5-speed hub was called a 15-speed; but, many of the gears weren't especially useful compared to having about 16 evenly-spaced gears using a compact crank that would easily accommodate most riding situations I'd encounter. And, all of those unique gears could be accessed without a lot of double and cross shifting -- seems tailor-made for a Di2 system approach.
But, there could be a market for an easy-rider freewheel that emphasizes closer spacing in the more highly-frequented midrange, even if at the sacrifice of top-end corncob gears. It's not an issue with triple cranks but for lower-geared compact double cranks with 11-speed hubs there seems to be the temptation to do-it-all from high to low whereas having more choices would be great.
Back in the 'old days' a triple with a 5-speed hub was called a 15-speed; but, many of the gears weren't especially useful compared to having about 16 evenly-spaced gears using a compact crank that would easily accommodate most riding situations I'd encounter. And, all of those unique gears could be accessed without a lot of double and cross shifting -- seems tailor-made for a Di2 system approach.
#1674
I took the time yesterday to install the Cateye Strada 410 Double Wireless bike computer. Despite the fact the directions are in 30 languages you have to expect there will be confusion aplenty. Still, I was determined to eliminate the need for wires.
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