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Purple
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Poll: Red or Blue?

Old 05-18-08, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by RoMad View Post
We ride very expensive bikes from large corporations , made by cheap foreign labor (with no health or welfare benefits), and sold to us by salesman working at near poverty wages.
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Calfee, Co-Motion, Tallerico -- made in America by craftsmen, bought from the "factory". Unlike our politics there are some clear choices in the cycling industry. JMHO
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Old 05-18-08, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by RoMad View Post
I did the poll to see where I fell in with the rest of you, but like Retro Grouch said, too many politicians use the results to tell us what we want to hear. No matter what color we like to say we are I think our bikes say it the most. We ride very expensive bikes from large corporations , made by cheap foreign labor (with no health or welfare benefits), and sold to us by salesman working at near poverty wages.
Inexpensive bikes made by very small corporations using free local labor and not sold to anyone. I will admit to having not health or welfare venefits in my shop. My bikes say a lot too.
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I wonder why the US has red to represent the conservatives, while in the rest of the world red is the choice of socialists and communists?
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Originally Posted by Artmo View Post
I wonder why the US has red to represent the conservatives, while in the rest of the world red is the choice of socialists and communists?
Humm... Neck color?
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Old 05-18-08, 01:23 PM
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Humm... Neck color?
Interesting. Anybody else notice that the conservative women tend toward blue tinted hair?
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Not sure what you are talking about, but I had to vote for PURPLE!!!!!!
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What color is going to: Create a sensible energy policy, get us out of bad circumstances abroad, enhance our security, provide opportunities for people to be successful on their own merits, stop pork barrel stuff totally unrelated to the bills to which they're attached(better yet, quit creating bills that are popularity knee jerks and get about managing those things a government ought to manage....and that's its own can of worms), tell the truth - we are in a global economy and putting up barriers won't help, quit pretending that adults need a nanny to make sure they take care of themselves, admit that government is not better at productivity or administration or income redistribution than the free market.(hasn't really been one of those in quite a while... free market that is.)
Maybe if oil prices don't come down, which is likely, the pols will be forced to change all the short term thinking and misguided incentives and tax credits that helped get us here in the first place.
Oh...but We The People bought all those gas guzzlers blissfully ignorant that some day the string might run out?
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Originally Posted by BluesDawg View Post
My state is red and black.
I'll see you and raise you one ...
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Old 05-18-08, 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Artmo View Post
I wonder why the US has red to represent the conservatives, while in the rest of the world red is the choice of socialists and communists?
Here's an explanation I happened across. Not all sources agree with it.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/arc..._11/005157.php
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Old 05-18-08, 05:19 PM
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Blue, in a blue city in a red county in a blue state.

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After 53 responses, there are only 9 reds so far. That's a pretty low number.
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Originally Posted by KrisPistofferson View Post
I apologize, I voted before I realized it wasn't about my favorite color. Then I realized I was in a Red State. Then I realized I was a liberal. Then I realized I was only 34. Also, I've been drinking. I'm sorry.
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Old 05-18-08, 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Retro Grouch View Post
My least favorite thing is the endless polls at election time regarding various issues. They won't tell you who's sponsoring the poll so I refuse to participate.

The only reason they're asking is so the candidates will know what we want to hear. I don't want a politician who will parrot back what I want to hear, I want to hear what the candidate's personal ideas and ethics are.

A couple of quick examples:

McCain has frequently spoken out regarding the use of torture by the United States. When he got the chance to actually vote on the topic, however, he went the other way. I'd like to know why but it has definitely turned me off because I wonder if he has any personal ethics.

The gas tax holiday is another thing. Everybody would like to pay less for gasoline so it's a popular issue. 18 cents a gallon ($2.70 on a $60.00 fill up), however, isn't enough to make a difference - especially when that money is going to come out of an already underfunded highway trust fund. I think that Obama's right - it"s a popular issue, but it's just an election year gimmick.



Hijack:

Here's what I tell pollsters who call our home phone: I cordially tell them that my fee for poll participation is $200, and $1.00 per minute; would they like to charge that to Visa or Mastercard?

I've had a few p*ssed-off pollsters, two who said they had to ask their bosses, and maybe 3 who argued that they're just asking for my opinion. That's when I tell them that I'm a professional opinionist who is paid well for my opinions. Without payment they cannot hear my very valuable and cromulent opinions. Very few of them see the humor.

Sometimes I can't wait for the phone to ring.

Back on topic: I tend to the blue side, but always look for the best candidate for the job, regardless of party affiliation. Color me rainbow.
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Originally Posted by Tom Bombadil View Post
I'll see you and raise you one ...
Around here, any pro team is a step down in importance from college teams. It's a Southern thing, you wouldn't understand.
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I'm always amazed that we allow ourselves to be so narrowly defined. It seems that the issues that confront today's world are rather weighty and not at all likely to be solved by simplistic solutions. Red or blue? Neither, I may be delusional,, but I choose to see myself as more complex than that.
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Old 05-18-08, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Red Rider View Post
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Hijack:

Here's what I tell pollsters who call our home phone: I cordially tell them that my fee for poll participation is $200, and $1.00 per minute; would they like to charge that to Visa or Mastercard?

I've had a few p*ssed-off pollsters, two who said they had to ask their bosses, and maybe 3 who argued that they're just asking for my opinion. That's when I tell them that I'm a professional opinionist who is paid well for my opinions. Without payment they cannot hear my very valuable and cromulent opinions. Very few of them see the humor.

Sometimes I can't wait for the phone to ring.

Back on topic: I tend to the blue side, but always look for the best candidate for the job, regardless of party affiliation. Color me rainbow.
When it's a female pollster I let her finish her rote script, then I get real quiet and ask her what she's wearing. I mean, she called me didn't she? They usually hang up just before Mrs. Mono hits me with somethin'.
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When I took the political compass test with a bunch of friends I discovered that most of my friends were decidedly lieral both socially and fiscally, while I was moderate in both areas, so I was labeled as a flaming moderate.

I guess that makes me purple, just like Tinky Winky.
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Originally Posted by Artmo View Post
I wonder why the US has red to represent the conservatives, while in the rest of the world red is the choice of socialists and communists?
As a (blue and green) child of the Cold War, I find this bit of irony very amusing.
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No one is saying that they are wholly defined by a single idealogical position. But a lot of people do lean one way or the other. It would take a very complex measuring device to better represent one's full political picture across all issues.

Personally, I have to hold my nose at times to vote for many Democrats, whom I see as being too conservative and reluctant to take bold action. So for the purpose of this little poll, I'm a blue, although I in no way consider myself to be a traditional Democrat.

Besides what is the "blue" position on health care? On the environment? These things are always being debated.

So I interpret the options as "Blue" is liberal-leaning, "Purple" is someone who is a centrist or goes back and forth between liberal and conservative, "Red" is conservative-leaning, and "Other" would be someone who feels they have a different take on things than liberal-conservative.
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If you want to take a quiz that plots your position both on the liberal-conservative and authoritarian-libertarian scale, try this one:
http://www.politicalcompass.org/

Click on "Take the Test" in the blue sidebar.

It can be balky on the last click to get your final score. Sometimes you have to try a few times.

The scores do tend to lean to the left a bit, based on the scores I saw for about a dozen co-workers.
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I chose other. I'm somewhere between a Libertarian and a Republican. According to the Pew poll, I'm an Enterpriser.
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Personally, I'm red, AND white, AND blue. Things would be better if we thought more like that....
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Originally Posted by TruF View Post
PCard assumes that we are all Red Staters (at heart?) here in the 50+ forum. Is he right?
Is that good or bad in his eyes? Does this have anything to do with the 'Friggin Never' thread?

Come to think of it, who cares about Pcad?

Color me infra-red and as to my state, Tennessee didn't even vote for home boy Al Gore.
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Originally Posted by Tom Bombadil View Post
If you want to take a quiz that plots your position both on the liberal-conservative and authoritarian-libertarian scale, try this one:
http://www.politicalcompass.org/

Click on "Take the Test" in the blue sidebar.

It can be balky on the last click to get your final score. Sometimes you have to try a few times.

The scores do tend to lean to the left a bit, based on the scores I saw for about a dozen co-workers.
You're not kidding about this test leaning to the left. What a bunch of leading questions!
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You're not kidding about this test leaning to the left. What a bunch of leading questions!
I know people who do not think those are leading questions, and who give the conservative answer to nearly all of them.
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