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Old 10-12-08, 02:25 PM
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Stainless Steel Water Bottles

We recently bought a stainless steel electric kettle that was made in China. It has a funny smell when the water boils that was hard to identify until I read that machine oil is used to create stainless steel. I seached on Amazon, and others have complained about electric kettles made in China having a funny smell. This is a recent development because my old stainless steel kettle that the new one replaced never smelled funny. I tried washing the new one, boiling vinegar in it, etc., to no avail. Still smelled funny. I tossed the new kettle and went back to my old stovetop kettle. I also have some stainless steel flatware that is made in China. It gets this gooey brown residue on the knives after they've been in the dishwasher. Never had stainless steel flatware do that before.

I just bought a Kleen Kanteen and used it for the first time today. Don't care for the metalic taste where my lips meet the metal. Yuck. It reminds me of drinking out of those colored aluminum glasses from the 50 and 60s that parents gave kids to use for outside and around the pool because they didn't break.

So my question is: in light of all the problems with foodstuff processed in China and the fact that most stainless steel (including Kleen Kanteen) is also processed in China these days, why do we think that stainless steel water bottles are safer than plastic?
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My experience of Stainless Steel comes from 30 years ago and in those days it was Pure. In England it was Sheffield Steel and in France it was Solingen. I have recently bought some new Cutlery and it was S/S and it was cheap. It does not fit the quality That I used to know. Like you- It now has a metalic taste to it. No idea where it was made though.

And as to Metal water bottles, I have a problem with them as I cannot suck hard enough on them to overcome the vacuum that sets up- and sqeezing them distorts the bottle. I have a couple of "Thermos" Aluminium bottles for hot drinks in the winter and they never get used-. Far more convenient to find a Cafe or carry a hip flask for the " Warming Drink" (Cognac tastes better aswell)
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Old 10-12-08, 03:55 PM
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I have to wonder why any would choose a bike bottle that you can't squeeze. Different strokes though.
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Originally Posted by staehpj1 View Post
I have to wonder why any would choose a bike bottle that you can't squeeze. Different strokes though.
Those who like to suck. I guess?
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Originally Posted by staehpj1 View Post
I have to wonder why any would choose a bike bottle that you can't squeeze. Different strokes though.
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Those who like to suck. I guess?
Guess I'm still a newbie. I like to stop, get off the bike, stretch, grab the water bottle, unscrew the top, and sip from the bottle. I dribble terribly otherwise.
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Camelback baby! My water bottle holder contains the airzound reservoir or a light battery.
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There are many different alloys of stainless steel. Some stainless bottles have no taste residue.
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Originally Posted by 2manybikes View Post
There are many different alloys of stainless steel. Some stainless bottles have no taste residue.
Thanks, 2manybikes! (Love your pictures, by the way. We had a Corgi until a couple of years ago. Loved that dog. Little dogs, but BIG personalities!)

Can you please tell me what to look for when shopping to avoid funny tastes or residue on flatware? My stainless steel cookware from the early 80s has no funny taste whatsoever.
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Thanks, 2manybikes! (Love your pictures, by the way. We had a Corgi until a couple of years ago. Loved that dog. Little dogs, but BIG personalities!)

Can you please tell me what to look for when shopping to avoid funny tastes or residue on flatware? My stainless steel cookware from the early 80s has no funny taste whatsoever.
Thanks! That's exactly what they are!

I don't think most things say what alloy they are. You might not be able to know before you buy. I have a lot of stainless water bottles, I don't think any of them tell what alloy they are. If you did find the alloy on something you can put that into your browser and find out about the alloy. Some sources will say what the recommended or typical use for that alloy is. Maybe on line pages from the manufacturer will give alloy info about a product?



Like this, just as an example...... http://www.ratnamsteel.com/316.htm

Primary Elements: Stainless Steel 316 is an austenitic stainless steel that is Chromium, Nickel and Molybdenum alloy. The addition of Molybdenum, not found in Stainless Steel 304, gives Stainless Steel 316 increased corrosion resistance in highly corrosive surroundings, such as a seawater or chloride environment.

Features: 316 Stainless Steel offers better creep resistance at higher temperatures and greater strength than Stainless Steel 304. In the annealed state, Stainless Steel 316 is non-magnetic, but can become slightly magnetic if it is extensively cold worked; further annealing would be necessary to correct this. Stainless Steel 316 cannot be hardened using thermal treatment; however, by cold working Stainless Steel 316, hardness and strength can be significantly increased.

Industries Served: Due to its superb oxidation and corrosion resistance, relative ease of fabrication and good mechanical properties, Stainless Steel 316 is used extensively in many manufacturing sectors

pharmaceutical
chemical
pulp and paper
marine
textile
petroleum
mining
transportation
water filtration
architectural applications in corrosive regions

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I find that metal water bottles make a lot of noise banging around in the bottle cages.
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Here's what Kleen Kanteen has to say about their steel:

7. What is stainless steel?
Stainless steel is an iron-containing alloy made from some of the basic elements found on earth: iron ore, chromium, silicon, nickel, carbon, nitrogen, and manganese. Properties of the final alloy are tailored by varying amounts of these elements. There are more than 57 stainless steels recognized as standard alloys on the market. Klean Kanteens are constructed from high quality sanitary grade 304 stainless steel which has a low nickel content. Stainless steel has excellent resistance to stain or rust due to its chromium content making it a material of choice among the food processing, dairy and brewery industries. Stainless steel is easy to clean, durable, inert and sanitary.
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I checked the Amazon reviews on Kleen Kanteen. Overall the scores are very good. 272 out of 435 gave it 5 stars, with another 78 giving 4 stars.

But there were also 33 people who gave it 1 star and several of them complained about the metallic taste.
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Thanks, Tom. It's hard for me to trust anything ingestible made in China these days. What's on the label and what's actually in the product have been two different things too frequently the past year or so.

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304 Stainless is an excellent quality of stainless steel. I highly doubt your Made in China kettle was made with 304 stainless. The reason it was made in China was so it could be made cheaply.
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Kleen Kanteen guarantees that it is made in China with 304 stainless. They say they have it made there because it is cheaper than making it in the USA out of 304.

You can get excellent material quality out of Chinese plants if you pay the extra amount to get it.
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OK. Thanks! I won't worry so much about the Kleen Kanteen, although madmaxx is absolutely right about the rattling. Oy!

Now to figure out where to look for "304" quality. Here's the kettle I bought:
Amazon.com: Hamilton Beach Stainless Steel Electric Cordless Kettle: Kitchen & Dining Amazon.com: Hamilton Beach Stainless Steel Electric Cordless Kettle: Kitchen & Dining
and I don't see anything in the description about the grade of stainless.
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The Kleen Kanteen site mentions that there are 57 different types of stainless. The best for food are said to be 316 & 304.

I guess seeing the Stainless Steel stamp on something doesn't mean much.
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I'm glad you posted this, Tru. Hubby's been talking about stainless steel water bottles (they look nice and might function well).....
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Originally Posted by maddmaxx View Post
I find that metal water bottles make a lot of noise banging around in the bottle cages.
I imagine they make a racket rolling along the pavement too. I occasionally will
have a water bottle dislodge if a bump is severe enough.
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I've tried virtually every sort of water bottle known (naturally, Maxx experiments with everything). My experiences with metal bottles were with a series of aluminium bottles that Nashbar was selling last year for about $7... They had some sort of sprayed in liner (simulated glass???). In addition to making a huge amount of noise (I am still predominately an off road biker) they began to grow mold...

In the world of plastic bottles.........hard plastic sanitary bottles: more noise and don't squeeze. Soft plastic bottles: beware, not all tops are interchangable as different sources seem to have different seals and threads. In a house full of bikers, you will have to search through the basket of water bottles for the matching top. Lately I've gone back to the 21oz small top bottle with a teathered top that snaps on. They don't leak, they squeeze (sometimes its nice to be able to project water......as in on the head during the heat.) and the top is always there. Oh: did I mention that they can be bought from many places for as little as $1.99. Replace every year, wash in the dishwasher and every now and again use a portion of a denture cleaning tab (same trick for camelbacks) to scrub out the nasty's.

Try to buy a matching color for your bike............ (most come in white)
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I think if I were in your situation, I'd be looking at the return policy of the place from which I was thinking about purchasing a stainless steel water bottle. For example, if you purchase one at REI you can return if no questions asked.
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