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Old 06-27-09, 12:22 AM
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Embrace your inner Fred..
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Old 06-27-09, 05:48 AM
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A rider who looks like a Fred, but rides fast is the Knave.
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Old 06-27-09, 07:44 AM
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Here is a picture of a fred. It matters not what kind of bike he rides -



We can be thankful that we didn't get to see his Bell Biker helmet.
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Old 06-27-09, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by DnvrFox View Post
A true Fred never knows he is a Fred. The term has several meanings, but the most common is an individual who rides - likely fairly well, wearing whatever - generally not OCP, riding whatever, and, just maybe, riding better than a whole lot of other people, and totally oblivious to the "standards" of the rest of the bicycle world.

So, if you think you are a Fred, you aren't. However, one can also be Fred-like.
I always thought the adjective was Fredly.
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Old 06-27-09, 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike T. View Post
Here is a picture of a fred. It matters not what kind of bike he rides -



We can be thankful that we didn't get to see his Bell Biker helmet.
Ok, no pictures of me are going up here! That is too close a resemblance!

Ich bin ein Fred!
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Old 06-27-09, 08:34 AM
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For me, Fred is a positive appellation with the main characteristics well summarized by Widsith.

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I've never been called a Fred (at least, not where I could hear it), but wouldn't care if I were. I ride in street clothes on an '80s-vintage Univega road bike and if that makes me look Freddish, so be it. My riding is for my own pleasure, not for making a fashion statement or trying to impress anyone.
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Old 06-27-09, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by BluesDawg View Post
If you think you might be a Fred, you aren't.
whew am saved by that one.
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Old 06-27-09, 09:27 AM
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It could be worse. You could ride a recumbent.
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Old 06-27-09, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by cccorlew View Post
Helmet mirror= Fred.
If that's the case there are some mighty good Freds out there.
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Old 06-27-09, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Widsith View Post
I've never been called a Fred (at least, not where I could hear it), but wouldn't care if I were. I ride in street clothes on an '80s-vintage Univega road bike and if that makes me look Freddish, so be it. My riding is for my own pleasure, not for making a fashion statement or trying to impress anyone.

Originally Posted by gcottay View Post
For me, Fred is a positive appellation with the main characteristics well summarized by Widsith.
I would certainly agree that widsith described positive characteristics, but not a Fred.

{edit**... I think I'll back off on pushing my definition of "Fred". While it is a term that I had heard and used for many more years than I (or anyone else) used internet forums, it is clear that others have learned different definitions. So I can learn to live with some of the other definitions. But not the ones that are really defining OCP. That's just wrong.

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Old 06-27-09, 10:52 AM
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[QUOTE=DnvrFox;9173649#2) n. a person who has a mishmash of old gear, does't care at all about technology or fashion, didn't race or follow racing, etc. Often identified by chainring marks on white calf socks. Used by "serious" roadies to disparage utility cyclists and touring riders, especially after these totally unfashionable "freds" drop the "serious" roadies on hills because the "serious" guys were really posers. [/QUOTE]

Yes, different terms mean different things to different groups in different contexts, but a 'Fred' when I was growing up in Yorkshire UK, was entirely a complimentary term. Grizzled tough bird who'd outride anyone through an oncoming thunderstorm, probably whilst smoking a pipe.

In fact a cycling club magazine with a cartoonist used to run a regular drawing about 'Fred' .The one I remember was with Fred on a club ride, on a bike with front and back pannier bags and a saddlebag. The caption was "It's just polystyrene packing chips, but it annoys the hell out of them on a climb"
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Old 06-27-09, 01:31 PM
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er maybe not 100% fred

HI,
I remembered my mirror is on my glasses not my helmet, is that a little better or is still fred like..
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Old 06-27-09, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by djnzlab1 View Post
HI,
I remembered my mirror is on my glasses not my helmet, is that a little better or is still fred like..
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I have a mirror on my helmet, but most of the time it is folded back and I use a mirror on my sunglasses. My sunglasses slide down my nose so I can't see the helmet mirror when I wear them. But my wire rimmed regular glasses won't support the mirror, so I need the helmet mirror at night. The upshot is when I ride in the daytime I have both a glasses mirror and a helmet mirror.

Out-Fred that!
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Old 06-27-09, 10:55 PM
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Fred is a man's name. So what are females with eyeglass mirrors and the like called?
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Originally Posted by MadMabel View Post
Fred is a man's name. So what are females with eyeglass mirrors and the like called?
Freda. Fredette. Mabel. Take our pick.

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Originally Posted by MadMabel View Post
Fred is a man's name. So what are females with eyeglass mirrors and the like called?
Doris

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_(bicycling)

"Fred" is a derisive term used by "serious" road cyclists to describe other cyclists who do not conform to serious road cyclists' norms with regard to dress and equipment, and appear amateurish to them. The term is generally reserved for men, while the rare female Fred is sometimes called a "Doris."

The exact qualities that define one as a "Fred" vary widely among regions and cyclists. The main two definitions used for the term are actually completely contradictory.

In the UK, an early usage of the word is the more common—used by 'serious' roadies to refer to (often) bearded, sandal-wearing, touring cyclists without any high-tech gear.<SUP class="noprint Template-Fact" title="This claim needs references to reliable sources*from June 2007" style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap">[citation needed] This usage still survives in the US. David Bernstein, presenter of The FredCast says the term is "used by 'serious' roadies to disparage utility cyclists and touring riders, especially after these totally unfashionable 'freds' drop the 'serious' roadies on hills because the 'serious' guys were really posers."

Recently, particularly in the US, a Fred is more often somebody with higher quality and more expensive gear than his or her talent would warrant. For example, a Fred could be guy with little cycling experience who watches the highlights of a few Tour de France stages, then goes to a bike store and buys a Trek carbon fiber Madone in Team Discovery colors, along with Team Discovery shorts and jersey, and then rides it on a cycling path at 15 mph (25*km/h). Some use "Fred" in a somewhat similar matter, but more synonymous with a roadie poseur. Such a person is more aware of roadie culture, and wants to be seen as a roadie despite lacking in the requisite ability and style (whereas the other type of Fred may have purchased some high-end gear, but is oblivious to road cyclist ways). An interesting corollary for the poseur type of Fred is that if someone is worried about being a Fred, he probably is one of these Freds. In addition, it is this type of Fred who is most likely to use "Fred" as a derisive term for others.

A third use of the term that is a hybrid of the earlier two main usages has arisen most recently and become fairly popular. In this usage, a 'fred' is a cyclist who has a ton of cycling gear, especially of the utilitarian "uncool" kind. The gear and bike may be put together by kludgey solutions, like duct-taped flashlights to the handlebar. <SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-0>[1]. This type of fred is a bike geek who likes/needs lots of gear (even if it is modified stuff not intended for bikes) that a racer would never use, no matter what roadie cyclists or others think. Freds of this type can be well aware of their fredness, once they are aware of the concept, and often embrace it wholeheartedly.
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Help me out folks.

I ride a 2007 Lemond Buenos Aires, red and white. I Keep the bike clean because I carry it up to the bedroom and store it next to me (seriously). I polish it with Bike Lust and after two years it is beautiful. I wear my "Plus 50" jersey because I like it and it matches the bike's color. I wear a red and white helmet, red gloves, and sometimes red socks. It's all very functional.

As a cyclist I suck. Should I not be decked out so well if my cycling is so bad? Should I let mud accumulate on my bike, let the chain get rusty, and wear some off blue sleeveless jersey, perhaps a mullet-style helmet so I don't look so presumptuous?

My last two rides I've had people comment on how great my bike looks and how well turned out I am. It's making me pretty nervous.
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Old 06-28-09, 08:21 AM
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Help me out folks.

I ride a 2007 Lemond Buenos Aires, red and white. I Keep the bike clean because I carry it up to the bedroom and store it next to me (seriously). I polish it with Bike Lust and after two years it is beautiful. I wear my "Plus 50" jersey because I like it and it matches the bike's color. I wear a red and white helmet, red gloves, and sometimes red socks. It's all very functional.

As a cyclist I suck. Should I not be decked out so well if my cycling is so bad? Should I let mud accumulate on my bike, let the chain get rusty, and wear some off blue sleeveless jersey, perhaps a mullet-style helmet so I don't look so presumptuous?

My last two rides I've had people comment on how great my bike looks and how well turned out I am. It's making me pretty nervous.
IMHO, you are okay - so relax. Since you exhibit a self loathing "I suck" component to your cycling persona, so you may want to visit FOO and ask Pcad in the ask Pcad Anything Thread for his opinion. He is a expert on all that is self loathing and Fred and may offer further clarification.

My one question is that with all that cleaning, polish, color matching and etc. are your legs hairy? No amount of polish, matching or schwagg will over come the gorilla look.
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My one question is that with all that cleaning, polish, color matching and etc. are your legs hairy? No amount of polish, matching or schwagg will over come the gorilla look.
In my case, that's never a problem; my hairy legs are completely hidden by the long pans I always wear.
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The reason I asked is that last winter I built up a 1989 Schwinn Paramount frame with a mixture of Ultrega and 105 parts plus a few miscellaneous bits and pieces.

Now this is a fine bicycle but I am really an around town cyclist. Down to the supermarket, library and places like that. Usually wearing jeans and running shoes. Usually on an eighties vintage Novara.

The Paramount is far better a bike than my abilities can justify.

If having equipment that exceeds the rider's skills makes a Fred then I guess that you can call me Doris or Fredette or whatever..

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The reason I asked is that last winter I built up a 1989 Schwinn Paramount frame with a mixture of Ultrega and 105 parts plus a few miscellaneous bits and pieces.

Now this is a fine bicycle but I am really an around town cyclist. Down to the supermarket, library and places like that. Usually wearing jeans and running shoes. Usually on an eighties vintage Novara.

The Paramount is far better a bike than my abilities can justify.

If having equipment that exceeds the rider's skills makes a Fred then I guess that you can call me Doris or Fredette or whatever..
Nope. That makes you the owner of a very nice bicycle.
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I thought this was the over 50 forum, looks like I've once again wandered into a group of roadies!

Sheesh! Have fun impressing each other. I am outa here!
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I am a Fred, and I am not ashamed. I am a Fred because I ride a pretty good road bike....but.... I have a KICK STAND on it!!! Not only that, but I LIKE the kick stand, and though I've heard all the reasons folks don't have one, I still cannot understand why someone would not want a kickstand on their bike. So, if you want to see what a Fred looks like, look at me!
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Sheesh! Have fun impressing each other. I am outa here!
That's the spirit! Take it too seriously!
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I have no problem being called a "Fred" because, to some degree, I am one. But then, so is the person who refers to me as a "Fred".
I would be highly insulted to be called a "Poser". The definition of a poser is clear and it is certainly a complete put-down as it means you're a lousy cyclist regardless of how good your equipment is.
BTW, the correct term for a female cyclist who might be a "Fred" is "Wilma".
Unfortunately, Wikipedia is incorrect....again. .
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