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Old 09-27-09, 10:36 AM
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A Free-Wheeling City

In the Sunday Parade, they have an article about what some cities are doing to improve cycling. Here is just part of the article.

Rep. Jim Oberstar (D.,Minn) is now pushing for the passage of a new transportation bill that reportedly could devote up to $1 billion a year to facilitate biking and walking across the country. But not everyone is happy about the new embrace of cycling. Sen. John McCain (R.,Ariz) has decried "pet projects like walkways and bicycle paths," saying they come "at the expense of our nation's roads and bridges."
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Originally Posted by Litespeed View Post
In the Sunday Parade, they have an article about what some cities are doing to improve cycling. Here is just part of the article.

Rep. Jim Oberstar (D.,Minn) is now pushing for the passage of a new transportation bill that reportedly could devote up to $1 billion a year to facilitate biking and walking across the country. But not everyone is happy about the new embrace of cycling. Sen. John McCain (R.,Ariz) has decried "pet projects like walkways and bicycle paths," saying they come "at the expense of our nation's roads and bridges."
McCain is correct. When they run out of oil, there will be plenty of room on the roads to cycle, if it's safe with all the criminals that will be running around in groups.
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Read that also. We have in our local newspaper a feature called, "Sound Off" that anyone can call in and make a statement. Not all are published of course, but after reading this one, I addressed my remarks to our Mayor. Said if he didn't read it, he should and if he did read, this is what our city needs. Already been enough peeps killed/injured here due to lack of facilities to ride a bicycle.
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Old 09-27-09, 02:27 PM
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Two contrasting views of a situation- Wonder which one will win?

Over here we have Sustrans- No government money involved except in minor grants. They do a good job in providing routes for non motorised traffic- but People are still moaning about a waste of Public money.
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Old 09-27-09, 02:35 PM
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I am sure I am in the minority here but I am not a big believer in MUPs for biking, I think they are nice to have in parks so that people can recreate away from cars but I would much rather see a paved shoulder on the road. In NY many of our roads have a very nice shoulder and although there may be traffic moving at 55 mph bikes have plenty of room.
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Last week I made the first of several presentations to advocate biking here in small town CenTx. This was to the local Rotary Club. Working through the Chamber of Commerce, where I'm a board member, we are advocating our small town as a great place to spend a weekend or a week biking the rural roads. This is nothing more or less than several other cities do here in Texas. Think Fredericksburg https://www.cycletexas.com/ Or check the website for Copperas Cove, TX. https://www.copperascove.com/

While I enjoy rail trails, my experience on bike paths has, for the most part, been less fun than cycling out on rural roads. Watch our for dogs, pedestrians, Lance wannabees, and potholes and ditches.

All this is to say that, IMHO, throwing money at trying to build more bike and walking paths is a poor use of funds.

Our governor vetoed a safe passing law after passing both houses of the state, unanimously in the House and 26-5 in the senate. While it stinks that he thinks he can address the needs of the state better than the legislature, it has ignited a groundswell on some levels. This will be good in the long run.

The answer to more biking is more awareness, understanding and practicing lawful vehicular cycling by bicyclists, and imparting a feeling of safety on the road.

Roadies don't want bike paths, they want cars to see them and pass 3 feet away, or more.
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Originally Posted by cyclinfool View Post
I am sure I am in the minority here but I am not a big believer in MUPs for biking, I think they are nice to have in parks so that people can recreate away from cars but I would much rather see a paved shoulder on the road. In NY many of our roads have a very nice shoulder and although there may be traffic moving at 55 mph bikes have plenty of room.
We've been adding both MUPs and bike lanes here in Dane County, WI. Madison's MUPs are very heavily used by cyclists commuting to work and the University. And almost every time a road is repaved (and there is room), they add a bike lane. Hundreds of miles of bike lanes now in place.

When I walk from my office to my parking space, I have to cross over the SW Bike Path MUP. Most nights I have to stop and wait several seconds for the bike traffic to clear before I can walk across it.
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Originally Posted by Litespeed View Post
In the Sunday Parade, they have an article about what some cities are doing to improve cycling. Here is just part of the article.

Rep. Jim Oberstar (D.,Minn) is now pushing for the passage of a new transportation bill that reportedly could devote up to $1 billion a year to facilitate biking and walking across the country. But not everyone is happy about the new embrace of cycling. Sen. John McCain (R.,Ariz) has decried "pet projects like walkways and bicycle paths," saying they come "at the expense of our nation's roads and bridges."
I know this isn't the P&R forum, but it seems that funding for bike paths nearly always comes from Democrats and that Republicans nearly always fight against it. This isn't always true, as I've seen Republicans support bike trails that have benefited (economically) rural communities. But it is true far more often than I would like to see it. It would be best if this issue did not get caught up in partisan politics and that more people would recognize that improved transportation options for bicyclists are positive for communities ... likewise for electric scooters and other alternative transportation.
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Being in the transportation industry myself, I have heard alot of the info in the new transportation bill,not sure how it can be funded. I'm sure there will be a lot of changes made before its passed.As a professional driver and a cyclist I'm not sure there is an answer for safety on our highways. Auto drivers don't often see me in a 70 ft long truck much less on my bike. I do know that I'm willing to pay my share. I heard a report,it was from AAA or the insurance people,they app. 70 % of drivers in 4-wheelers are not qualified to be driving. Hadn't made up my mind on that one. I do know for a fact people don't pay enough attention to what they are doing.
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I heard a report,it was from AAA or the insurance people,they app. 70 % of drivers in 4-wheelers are not qualified to be driving.
That's interesting, I'd like to read the report if you can find it.
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It is true that aggressive Road Bikers will not appreciate MUP's or Bike Paths. I think we all know why and do not have to talk about it. I do road biking and understand.
However, what about a family with a bunch of kids? We biked on a Wisconsin MUP today. There was a number of large families with many children aged 5 to ? having a great time. Could not be done on a road even with shoulder. How about marginal or new bikers? How about feeble and old bikers? None of those are comfortable on roads but OK on a MUP.
I enjoy mini vacations on these Wisconsin, Ohio, Colorado, Minnesota, Florida MUP's and I want to thank whoever supports these trails. I think they enrich my life. Thank God for Rails to Trails.
I had countless hours of pleasure on these trails and will do anything within my power to support them.

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I prefer quiet residential streets to MUP's, but would like to see lanes striped on more arterial roads here in Cleveland. I think the Euclid Corridor is a great example of a more bicycle friendly Cleveland and my family have used it on several occasions since its installation.
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