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Old 05-09-10, 07:51 AM
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If you are attacked my multiple dogs, it is tough. I was riding a fully loaded touring bike. At the top of a hill, so I was going slowly, I was jumped by a pack of 7 dogs. I had my old trusty hp frame pump. I was warding them off pretty well. But one dog slipped in whilst I was fending off two others and bit me in the ankle. Once I identified the "biter", I was able to keep the ***** away. The problem with multiple dogs is you can fend off 1 or 2 but that leaves you open to attack from the surplus dogs. So there is not a whole lot you can do about it.

Also, I have heard about dog owners denying owning the biter. So that is a problem too. I don't know how you handle that one. Especially since many law enforcement officers do not seem to put much of a priority on it.
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Old 05-09-10, 08:01 AM
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The good news is that I have DAzzer 2 clipped to a brake cable, so it is pretty quick and easy to get to. The bad news is that not all dogs seem to be bothered by it. I got it at Amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss...sprefix=dazzer
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Old 05-09-10, 08:48 AM
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There is nothing that I know of that will work every time. But there are a few things that work most of the time. I have experienced success with..

Yelling at the dog. A few dogs just stopped and looked confused? This makes me think that an air horn will work. When it's very cold or when you aim the horn straight forward into the incoming air on a bike air horns don't work sometimes.

One dog ran next to me focusing on my foot, I rode an inch from a phone pole while he was looking at my foot. Sorry, doggie, he hit that pole hard.

Every single time I have stopped, It worked. The last time was two Burmese Mt. dogs and one giant half Burmese Mt. dog and Half English bull Mastif. He was close to 200 lbs, I stopped. I did exactyly what Ceasar Milan said to do. DO NOT look at the dogs face or eyes, that is a direct challenge. Keep the side of your body facing the dog, this is an easier target in a dog fight than head on, and is a symbol of " I don't want to fight" in dog language. After enough barking finally the owner showed up. None of them tried to bite me. Force yourself to relax the muscle tension in your body too. The dogs can sense it. This works off or on a bike. It has worked a few times on a bike ride.

Once two dogs came up from behind on a road with a fence on each side. Somehow by swinging the stream back and forth across the area of the dogs face, I hit them both in the eyes with water from my bottle. They came to a complete stop, but then started to chase again. I did this twice and then I reached the end of their"territory". They just stopped.

One dog that bit my ankle once finally was trained by me to expect a dog treat every time I rode by. I had to pass his house almost every ride. Finally I had to stop and pat him every day. It probably took me four or five days to train him, maybe more.

Holding the bike as a shield against one dog is a great idea if you don't look into the dog's face or eyes. Unfortunately as already mentioned, with four dogs you can't protect your self from four at once. I have some pepper spray foam that has more weight than spray mist. I have tested it, it goes exactly where you aim it, just like the wasp spray. In a slight breeze you can see the flow and compensate where you aim, just like a garden hose.

Look for an old thread started by Tom Stormecrow here. He was surrounded by three or four wolves on a solo bike camping trip and used bear spray to repel them all. I believe that is the same product as my spray foam (not sure). If my memory is correct he sprayed one wolf and it was so upset that all the other wolves left.

To those who say it's impossible to aim spray or water as you are riding, I say, I have done it a few times successfully. I will say that it is difficult and it depends on the rider, and the exact situation at the time. I have been aiming my camera and taking photos on a moving bike for years, that may be making it easier for me to aim something and still ride..??,
Even thought I have hit moving targets before from a moving bike, I don't think it will work for me all the time.

I say bring dog treats, stop and bribe them with food. And keep doing it, dogs learn from consistent action on the part of the human.
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Old 05-09-10, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Torgrot View Post
I have read all the items with interest. Most seem to be written by people who have not been attacked by a dog. They seem to be in the vein of "If I were attacked" this is what I would do. I think the issue that most have missed is this was not a single dog. I was surprised by the number that suggested getting off her bike and facing the dogs. I think in the same situation as my sister, surrounded by four snarling, snapping dogs, my only instinct would be to do as she did and pedal my half century ass off as fast and as hard as I could in a near panic.

She was getting ready for a organized ride near her home, on the ride route. A ride she has done a number of times, with out being attacked. She won't be riding this year. Listening to her talk, she may not ever ride again. That is the real tragedy for her. She really loved riding. She wasn't the best or the fastest, but she was out there every chance she could.

I gather her injuries are not what will keep her from cycling, if anything does. From the perspective of a person who still bears a scar from a childhood dog bite while riding a bike and has had subsequent adverse dog encounters I can sympathize. For me not doing my thing whether running or biking is not the answer.

The answer to me was to better understand the psychology and behaviour of dogs. Interestingly, since I learned about dogs although I have been challenged both on foot and on bike I have never had an attack carry through. The closest to injury so far was when a dog got entangled in my wheels.

As with dealing with out of control or malicious people there is no sure fire way to avoid injury. But you can avoid most, get retribution or punishment for nearly all and keep sanity by not giving in to fear and anxiety.
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Old 05-09-10, 04:24 PM
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I was repeatedly bitten in the ankle by a medium sized terrier recently. I would have used my pepper spray but there were kids outside close to the street. The kids didn't act like it was their dog so I keep looking to line him up with law enforcement spray. I wasn't hurt as I was in jump boots and uniform. I had an incident as a child and had the 14 rabies shots in the tummy. Not fun for an 8 year old. Funny I wasn't scared of the dog but I did want to smash hi head in with my boot. I am cooled off now but will spray him if I get the opportunity. Maybe it will save a small child from getting torn up or even from getting the nasty shot series. Torgrot I hope your Sis gets back on the bike in due time. God Bless. Wing Nut
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Old 05-09-10, 05:38 PM
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Air horns have always worked for me. However, I've learned that dogs will continue to chase if there is something to chase. The air horn only gives them temporary pause. It is at this juncture that I've dismounted and gone after the alpha in the pack. You can typically ID the alpha in the pack as the alpha takes the lead postion and if not in the lead position the others are always taking slight glances to see where he or she is. When I've gone after the alpha I try to kick of hit the animal in the rear hind flank. This is the area in which dogs tend to snap at each other to establish dominance. They entire time, I'm using a firm voice saying "NO!" and "Go", etc. I've had to do this several times (not always while bining) and been fortunate that it has worked. Keep in mind, however, that the dogs in these packs were not feral.
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Old 05-09-10, 07:56 PM
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Sorry to hear about your sister. I had a bad dog problem in my neighborhood. I had every dog you could name that was running the streets. I was only chased…once. I got real angry that I couldn’t ride my bike on my own block. Later in the day I went to the owner’s house to tell him about his dog. All I got was he no speak English.
The next day at the same time I got my camera, got in my van and started to drive very slowly thru my neighborhood. Every loose dog I saw, I stopped and took a picture. I got out of my Van and got the closest shot I could. I printed the pictures out on glossy paper and drove to Animal Control with them. I asked to speak with an animal control officer that I had a complaint about loose dogs in my neighborhood.
Giving them the pictures was the best thing I could have done. A short time after two animal control trucks and a police car swept thru my neighborhood, with my pictures in hand. They netted 8 dogs and cited 5 owners. Owners who had their dogs picked up had to show up in court. We’re still trying to nab the Attack Chihuahua up the block, but he remains elusive. The Neapolitan Mastiff who liked to bite the tires of the Fed Ex truck is no longer.
I don’t know of any jurisdiction that does not have a Leash Law. But this is what I did and it was effective. If I have to do it again, I will.
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Old 05-10-10, 07:24 PM
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I have "faked" throwing my water bottle accompanied by a stream of whatever is in the bottle and a loud "NO". [Squeeze the water bottle as you fake the throw to generate the stream of liquid.] If that doesn't work, actually throw the bottle.
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Old 05-11-10, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by cyclinfool View Post
DO you think it might have been this: https://www.tbotech.com/dogchaser.htm

Don't know if it would really work but looks interesting
In my opinion they are not effective. I tried a similar one. I figured I better try before hand. The neighbor dog was out. I called the dog over and pushed the button. The dog waged its tail at me. Test first!! Make sure you can return it.
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Sorry to hear about your sister. I had a bad dog problem in my neighborhood. I had every dog you could name that was running the streets. I was only chased…once. I got real angry that I couldn’t ride my bike on my own block. Later in the day I went to the owner’s house to tell him about his dog. All I got was he no speak English.
The next day at the same time I got my camera, got in my van and started to drive very slowly thru my neighborhood. Every loose dog I saw, I stopped and took a picture. I got out of my Van and got the closest shot I could. I printed the pictures out on glossy paper and drove to Animal Control with them. I asked to speak with an animal control officer that I had a complaint about loose dogs in my neighborhood.
Giving them the pictures was the best thing I could have done. A short time after two animal control trucks and a police car swept thru my neighborhood, with my pictures in hand. They netted 8 dogs and cited 5 owners. Owners who had their dogs picked up had to show up in court. We’re still trying to nab the Attack Chihuahua up the block, but he remains elusive. The Neapolitan Mastiff who liked to bite the tires of the Fed Ex truck is no longer.
I don’t know of any jurisdiction that does not have a Leash Law. But this is what I did and it was effective. If I have to do it again, I will.
Excellent, the best solution I have ever heard!
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