Wife had accident today - loose dog as proximate cause
11-07-10, 06:41 AM
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All things considered, you probably did the right thing. You might call animal control or the police and complain about safety issues and unleashed dogs on the path. Also, a call to whatever agency manages the trail (Parks and Recreation District?)might be good. Enough of those calls might make a difference in enforcement eventually. Makes you think how handy a digital camera might be, eh?
Glad your wife is recovering well.
Glad your wife is recovering well.
We have not had problems in the past with loose dogs, and we will likely not have problems in the future. This was an isolated incident. Nora was looking into the sun, which was one of the reasons she did not see me stop. All-in-all it was sort of an anomaly. What irritated me the most was that the owner of the dog made absolutely no attempt to get the dog back to him when he was wandering into my path.
Sometimes you just have to deal with stupid people.
Thanks for the thought.
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11-07-10, 06:50 AM
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That dog, and the owner would be lucky not to get beat down in a second for that kind of stupidity, and that kind of brazen behavior. After that kind of behavior, I'd rather ask questions later, not sooner. Maybe they would get some manners after that.
11-07-10, 07:00 AM
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Wow - that is a different set of priorities!!
11-07-10, 07:19 AM
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I hope your wife is okay.
The accident here was not the fault of the dog or owner. A cyclist successfully stopped to avoid a dog, and the cyclist behind went down trying to avoid a rear-end collision. That's why many cyclists yell "stopping". We may not like it, but unless we are actually in a race, we are supposed to leave an "assured clear distance ahead".
The accident here was not the fault of the dog or owner. A cyclist successfully stopped to avoid a dog, and the cyclist behind went down trying to avoid a rear-end collision. That's why many cyclists yell "stopping". We may not like it, but unless we are actually in a race, we are supposed to leave an "assured clear distance ahead".
See you in court!!
11-07-10, 07:37 AM
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So sorry to hear that this happened to you and your wife DnvrFox. My best wishes to her.
What I find so disturbing about this story though, is the lack of an immediate helpful response by the dog owners. They should have leashed their dogs and then bent over backwards to offer you assistance in any way possible. How do you walk away from an injured woman in her 70s in that situation? It's mind boggling!
What I find so disturbing about this story though, is the lack of an immediate helpful response by the dog owners. They should have leashed their dogs and then bent over backwards to offer you assistance in any way possible. How do you walk away from an injured woman in her 70s in that situation? It's mind boggling!
11-07-10, 07:51 AM
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So sorry to hear that this happened to you and your wife DnvrFox. My best wishes to her.
What I find so disturbing about this story though, is the lack of an immediate helpful response by the dog owners. They should have leashed their dogs and then bent over backwards to offer you assistance in any way possible. How do you walk away from an injured woman in her 70s in that situation? It's mind boggling!
What I find so disturbing about this story though, is the lack of an immediate helpful response by the dog owners. They should have leashed their dogs and then bent over backwards to offer you assistance in any way possible. How do you walk away from an injured woman in her 70s in that situation? It's mind boggling!
11-07-10, 10:53 AM
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I must agree with you completely concerning the ER. In my recent crash involving a deer I absoutely refused being taken to the ER. I would have waited for hours behind the illegals etc. that use the ER for their family doctor. Sorry, but I have no use for that. I am better off at home resting instead of being told that it will only be a few more minutes for 3 or 4 hours. Everything you did was with very sound judgement and I applaud you loudly. You did the best for your wife while controling your emotions. Wonderful.
11-07-10, 11:35 AM
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I must agree with you completely concerning the ER. In my recent crash involving a deer I absoutely refused being taken to the ER. I would have waited for hours behind the illegals etc. that use the ER for their family doctor. Sorry, but I have no use for that. I am better off at home resting instead of being told that it will only be a few more minutes for 3 or 4 hours. Everything you did was with very sound judgement and I applaud you loudly. You did the best for your wife while controling your emotions. Wonderful.
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11-07-10, 12:09 PM
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I must agree with you completely concerning the ER. In my recent crash involving a deer I absoutely refused being taken to the ER. I would have waited for hours behind the illegals etc. that use the ER for their family doctor. Sorry, but I have no use for that. I am better off at home resting instead of being told that it will only be a few more minutes for 3 or 4 hours. Everything you did was with very sound judgement and I applaud you loudly. You did the best for your wife while controling your emotions. Wonderful.
11-07-10, 12:38 PM
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That's great in theory - here is the reality.
If we call the cops, the following happens:
1. The cops call the rescue squad - automatically.
2. We get to leave the bikes somewhere as we siren off to the ER. Probably lost forever.
3. The ER is at least 6 hours and maybe 12 hours. There are folks waiting in front of you, yoiu wait and wait between doctors and nurses and test results, etc., etc. The stress level for my wife - and we have had a LOT of stress lately, puts her through the roof.
4. As far as getting their names, etc. - how do you suggest I do that? They weren't about to give me their names, and the cops would take at least 15 minutes to get there. They would be long gone. I am not about to get into a fight with them trying to restrain them while my wife is injured. Any brilliant ideas on your part?
I think you live in a world of unreality - or perhaps in Canada scrummy folks like these act correctly?
And I have absolutely NO interest in testifying in court - in a "he said" - no "She said" kind of fight.
Right now, we are happy, relaxed and at home.
If we call the cops, the following happens:
1. The cops call the rescue squad - automatically.
2. We get to leave the bikes somewhere as we siren off to the ER. Probably lost forever.
3. The ER is at least 6 hours and maybe 12 hours. There are folks waiting in front of you, yoiu wait and wait between doctors and nurses and test results, etc., etc. The stress level for my wife - and we have had a LOT of stress lately, puts her through the roof.
4. As far as getting their names, etc. - how do you suggest I do that? They weren't about to give me their names, and the cops would take at least 15 minutes to get there. They would be long gone. I am not about to get into a fight with them trying to restrain them while my wife is injured. Any brilliant ideas on your part?
I think you live in a world of unreality - or perhaps in Canada scrummy folks like these act correctly?
And I have absolutely NO interest in testifying in court - in a "he said" - no "She said" kind of fight.
Right now, we are happy, relaxed and at home.
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11-07-10, 01:10 PM
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Or maybe your wife AND YOU would be laying on the ground bleeding after you tried to beat down the dog owners.
11-07-10, 01:59 PM
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Loose dogs are a curse to cyclists. Dog owners just do not seem to get it. I have seen four cyclists hit dogs off a leash, hit their heads and be rendered unconscious. It can be really dangerous. Whenever I see a dog off a leash, I go into EXTREME DANGER mode. The dog does not know the rules and the owners usually are more ignorent than the dogs.
11-07-10, 02:11 PM
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I hope your wife feels better soon.
And shame on those dog owners for not helping you and your wife.
And shame on those dog owners for not helping you and your wife.
11-07-10, 02:12 PM
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When riding alone, I have followed dog walkers like this home (remaining at a distance). Then when something happens, I do not have to ask them any questions, just report where they live.
Also lets me know better where to expect such rude dog walkers the next ride through the area.
Also lets me know better where to expect such rude dog walkers the next ride through the area.
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11-07-10, 02:58 PM
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I carry a can of Halt! ( https://www.halt.com/halt.html ) in my jersey pocket everytime I ride. Anytime a dog gets within 20 feet I give them a blast of the spray. Stops the dogs in their tracks and then they run for the grass to wipe their face. I have done it right in front of the irresponsible owners because I have a right to defend myself. It does not hurt the dog and they will remember you the next time you encounter them. It actually becomes kinda fun to have a defense ready for them. Keep it in your pocket where you can get to it quickly. You can get it at most bike retailers and I do not work for the company just a customer who thinks they have a great product.
11-07-10, 03:26 PM
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I hate those idiots that ignore leash law, pretty much anyplace you go in public, the dog must be on a leash. I've had people argue that with in 20 ft from a "All dogs mush be on Leash" sign, saying it wasn't a law, but a suggestion! I've had to kick a few, to protect my mutt. My dog is 120 lbs, a gentle giant. But he is ALWAYS on a leash in public, no exceptions. It's the responsible thing to do, plus you never know what will set them off.
Hope your wife feels better.
Hope your wife feels better.
11-07-10, 03:33 PM
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You know - I wonder if the outcome would have been any different if the dog owner had one of those recoiling leashes that pay out 20 or 30'. Those things scare me when passing on the bike path. I fear the dog will bolt across my path and I'll get clothes lined. I usually slow and make sure the owner is taking up the slack.
11-07-10, 05:52 PM
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Sorry about those dogs--so often the dog owners have no idea how unpredictable and dangerous dogs are!
I rode over a chihuahua this summer on the local bike path and did not fall, the poor dog was ok but for sure frightened!
Yesterday, going up South Park drive in the Berkeley hills which is closed in winter to protect the migration of newts,
people come with their dogs and let them loose and it is scary because it is a very steep (15%) 2 miles road--and cyclists
coming down at 40 plus mph will encounter those loose dogs with disastrous results!
I rode over a chihuahua this summer on the local bike path and did not fall, the poor dog was ok but for sure frightened!
Yesterday, going up South Park drive in the Berkeley hills which is closed in winter to protect the migration of newts,
people come with their dogs and let them loose and it is scary because it is a very steep (15%) 2 miles road--and cyclists
coming down at 40 plus mph will encounter those loose dogs with disastrous results!
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11-07-10, 05:59 PM
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I've gotten out of the habit of carrying bear spray or pepper spray when I ride because encounters with dogs is so infrequent. But, maybe I ought to start again; especially when I visit the States.
The spray I use has an orange dye in it that will dramatically mark whatever is sprayed. Some years ago, pre-cycling for me, I had a neighbor, no, a person living next door, who somehow couldn't keep his dogs home. One day I sprayed his all black dogs with the spray when they were over harassing my chained, in his own yard dog. It left big orange blotches on their backs. The person next door came home, found his dogs loose but with orange blotches, gave me a dirty look and took them inside. They somehow were always in their own yard or on a leash from then on. Fancy that.
The spray I use has an orange dye in it that will dramatically mark whatever is sprayed. Some years ago, pre-cycling for me, I had a neighbor, no, a person living next door, who somehow couldn't keep his dogs home. One day I sprayed his all black dogs with the spray when they were over harassing my chained, in his own yard dog. It left big orange blotches on their backs. The person next door came home, found his dogs loose but with orange blotches, gave me a dirty look and took them inside. They somehow were always in their own yard or on a leash from then on. Fancy that.
11-07-10, 06:13 PM
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You know - I wonder if the outcome would have been any different if the dog owner had one of those recoiling leashes that pay out 20 or 30'. Those things scare me when passing on the bike path. I fear the dog will bolt across my path and I'll get clothes lined. I usually slow and make sure the owner is taking up the slack.
Everyone, please remember that I ride this trail often, I hardly ever see a loose dog, it is NOT a problem here, and this was an anomaly. A one-time (hopefully) occurence. I am not going to get too excited about calling the authorities,etc., etc., for something that happens once every 10 years, if that often.
Also, I almost always am behind my wife, letting her lead, as I have better bicycling skills than she does. This time I wasn't. But, as I said, **** happens. Don't generalize to the world on one incident.
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11-07-10, 06:22 PM
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Why not?? This is a perfect opportunity to enact another For Your Own Good Law/Regulation requiring Stay Back 50 Feet warning signs on all bikes.
It is also an opportunity to hire enough people to patrol the paths during daylight hours to prevent a recurrance of the loose dogs. Why it would also do something for the unemployment rate.
11-07-10, 06:25 PM
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When you're riding like that, try calling out "stopping". That covers her looking at flowers or young hunks, also.
11-08-10, 06:21 AM
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And yes, I think you did the right thing, I would do the same - after all she is the one important to you. But, the fact that the stupid dog owner deserves a good smack on the head after that, still stands. Nothing sends my bp trough the roof as an accident that could easily been avoided if some people used just a small portion of their brains. The stupidity is what sets me off. I have no problem if they hurt themselves when acting stupid, but if they hurt me or a person i care for, then it becomes my problem, and such carelessness simply disgusts me. Sorry for the rant, but had to let it out.
11-08-10, 06:25 AM
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Sorry, just trying to be helpful. I guess medical care really is different in Canada, or you're right that my initial response was not well thought out. I find that my initial response is usually vengeful, and that's my own problem. I had a similar thing happen recently, and it's interesting that people today are less inclined to be helpful, especially when they could be held to blame. I guess it's just more symptoms of the growing lack of personal responsibility in society today. Sad.
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