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Old 06-20-11, 01:23 PM   #1
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Arrrggg! New bike is very tiring.

I think I finally got the Specialized set up so it is as comfortable as it can get. Did a nice ride this morning but was really tired when I got home?
Could it be because of the lower spoke count wheels? Will changing to the same tires I have on the Litespeed help? Am I just too old for the Specialized?

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I think you are just too old for the bike.
Send it to me for some test riding.
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I think I finally got the Specialized set up so it is as comfortable as it can get. Did a nice ride this morning but was really tired when I got home?
Could it be because of the lower spoke count wheels? Will changing to the same tires I have on the Litespeed help? Am I just too old for the Specialized?
Specialized doesn't design bikes for use in Georgia, they are designed for cold Canadian air. Send the bike to me for verification. I will send it back... honest.
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Undoubtable gear ratios are different. For the same index, you may be mashing or spinning more on one than the other. Do you use anything to measure cadence on both bikes?
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You're too old for carbon fiber. Stick with Ti, or better yet, steel, and you'll be good.
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Everybody should have a crack at it.It looks fast. btw. what size do you ride?The seat is up there,you must be tall.Both bikes are nice.
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Check your brakes aren't rubbing.

Edit: and how are those low spoke count wheels?

Nice bikes btw
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Undoubtable gear ratios are different. For the same index, you may be mashing or spinning more on one than the other. Do you use anything to measure cadence on both bikes?
The gears are similar.
Litespeed 53/39 -- 11,12,13,14,15,17,19,21,23
Specialized 52/36 -- 11,12,13,14,15,17,19,21,24,28

I use a Sigma Sport BC1909 on the bikes.


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Everybody should have a crack at it.It looks fast. btw. what size do you ride?The seat is up there,you must be tall.Both bikes are nice.
The Litespeed is 57 cm. The Specialized is a 56 cm. I'm 6'-0".
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Check your brakes aren't rubbing.

Edit: and how are those low spoke count wheels?

Nice bikes btw
Brakes are ok. The front wheel on the Specialized is only 28 spokes. Don't know if 4 fewer spokes will matter that much.
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Looks like you have a little more in the front.

Could also be just enough of a difference in body angle to work more/different part of the leg. I'm not sure "more tired" is a valid warranty return claim.

Whats on the stem of the lightspeed? Kinda big for the sigma.
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Have you tried riding both bikes on the same day?

Like 15 miles then switch bikes.

I do that to try to find the difference in my two bikes.
One is more comfortable, but slower.
The faster bike has a better fit.
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When I got the TCR-C I was expecting a nice comfy ride. After all my current ride (Boreas) was a race geometry frame with lightweight parts and Lighweight Stiff Ultegra wheels with Radial spokes. Only thing it wasn't. That bike was a nightmare at speed on rough roads as it bounced sideways whenever you hitanything. It was a far harsher ride than Boreas and downhill- anything over 35mph was tricky. I had got Aksium wheels on it and I tried everything- Changed Tyres- changed pressure- Tried the Ultegra wheels on it and it did not work. Only thing was that it went up hills. Honestly- you started a hill and they were done.

Eventually I was beginning to think that I had made a mistake but in the meantime had bought my Son-in-Law a bike of his own. Only stock wheels on it and he was breaking spokes so as they were on the spare bike- Loaned him the Aksiums. Put the winter training wheels on the TCR and they were handbuilt Mavic CXP33 rims on 105 hubs and 36 spokes lace with a 2X cross. Then one sunday had a problem with Boreas and had to ride the TCR. Those wheels made a load of difference to the ride. Nice and compliant- smooth and it tracked pretty well on the rough roads. It still went uphill and even better- it now went downhill aswell.

Those handbuilt wheels work. They are stiff but give a compliant ride.All my wheels have Mich PR2/3s on them in 23 so the only thing I can put it down to is the wheels. So beg -borrow or steal a pair of Handbuilts and see if they will give you a better ride. They did for me.
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The Specialized looks faster to me. Try taking the safety stickers off, that might be the ticket.
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Have you tried riding both bikes on the same day?

Like 15 miles then switch bikes.

I do that to try to find the difference in my two bikes.
One is more comfortable, but slower.
The faster bike has a better fit.
Also, could you simply have had an 'off' day when you rode the Specialized? At my age, it happens.
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Whats on the stem of the lightspeed? Kinda big for the sigma.
I swap the computer and put it on the bike I will be riding. I have a mount on each bike's handlebar. Litespeed is set up as bike 1, Specialized is bike 2.
I have a Topeak phone holder on the stem. It too gets swapped.
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At 50+, you're not going to win any Tours.

So, the real question is, which one attracts the attention of those pretty southern belles?
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Those handbuilt wheels work. They are stiff but give a compliant ride.All my wheels have Mich PR2/3s on them in 23 so the only thing I can put it down to is the wheels. So beg -borrow or steal a pair of Handbuilts and see if they will give you a better ride. They did for me.
The Litespeed has hand built Mavic Open Pros. Maybe I'll put the 10 spd cassette on them and see if it's the wheels.


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The Specialized looks faster to me. Try taking the safety stickers off, that might be the ticket.
Sorry. Old picture. They're long gone.
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Maybe your on the phone more on the slower bike.
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I swap the computer and put it on the bike I will be riding. I have a mount on each bike's handlebar. Litespeed is set up as bike 1, Specialized is bike 2.
I have a Topeak phone holder on the stem. It too gets swapped.
I like that topeak. Looks like it provides much better protection that the mini saddle bags. And its cheap too. Hello Amazon!
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I can't imagine what the problem could be. I sure don't see how having fewer spokes could make you more tired. I feel tired after riding my Roubaix, too, but it's because it makes me want to ride farther and faster.
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It could be a fit issue. The Tarmac appears to have a large saddle to bar drop. This can restrict your ability to breathe fully, reducing your oxygen intake. That will tire you quickly.
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It could be a fit issue. The Tarmac appears to have a large saddle to bar drop. This can restrict your ability to breathe fully, reducing your oxygen intake. That will tire you quickly.
I finished the fit thing. I've been working on that since January. Did one final adjustment yesterday. It felt good on today's ride. Just wore me out. And my average speed was slower than on the Litespeed.
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Ok. I just ordered a 0 degree stem. The bike came with a 12 degree stem which got swapped within a month. I now have a 6 degree. Maybe the 0 degree stem will help.
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The stem may be the issue. I have a Tarmac as well, it beat me up for 2 years before I switched out the stem for a shorter one, I kept the same angle though. What I eventually did was carefully measure the setup on my steel bike which rides great and match the Tarmac to that as close as I could. All I needed was to change the stem length and the shorter distance along with the little lift that gave me for free did the trick. Now with that said, the Tarmac is not all that much faster than my steel bike, I only notice the difference in club rides and climbs, on normal training rides it seems the same.
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Thats what i was getting to about the seat height and your height, you must have really long legs short torso.Did you try a 58 by any chance?
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