I remember him well. Excellent hitter.

Yes, because motorists are legitimately concerned I'm going to bite them.

We have a doberman. When in our yard (1.15 acre, fenced in) she does not have a leash. When off property, she is always on leash. We do not use those retractable leashes, but a leather leash about 5 feet long. Yesterday, I am finishing my ride, wife is walking the dog off property. I saw them a short distance before coming up on them. Did not stop or slow down, however I waved to my wife. The dog barely looked at me, kept on walking. She does not bark or try to chase other dogs, people, cyclists, cars, etc when off property (when crossing others on the same sidewalk, the leash becomes a short leash). On property, she will bark at anything passing on the road, but that is it, she does not run after them. Funny part is that when on a walk, if we pass another yard with a dog that is running the fence and barking, all she does is stop on the grass, looks at them, pees, and walks off..................

I can't tell you the number of times I've wished for the freedom of being a dog! :)

Dogs like to win....

You chase them, they get away, they win.

You run from the dog, they chase and catch you, they win.

I've had dogs. They were always with the dope on a rope.

Years ago we had a big, dumb, friendly female german shepherd mix that would check out other dogs that might be walking down our street, but never seemed to show interest in people walking down the street.
One day I was working in the garden and the dog was hanging around with me when suddenly she took off running, giving a couple of short, mean sounding barks. I turned and saw she was heading right at a jogger. I shouted out NO! and took off after her. She stopped about 10 ft from the jogger, who was frightened out of wits. I apologized up & down to the guy, and felt like a heel.
I really never thought she would chase someone.

I guess we are really lucky here. On all my rides, the dog owners are attentive, hear my bell, and quickly confine and hold their dogs. I guess we bicyclers have trained them well. Oh, I also always say "Thank you" or something similar to the dog owner, and they smile.


As my grandmother used to say, a little sugar goes a long way:)

We have a dog that chases us down a 2 lane county highway we ride. Owners just watch. I let the wife get a half a block or so ahead of me, I give him a good kick in the nads when i catch up. Sfter about 4 times of this he quit. Owner was pissed. On the oposite end of town a big old lab loves to run with us, I always end up taking him home. I own three dogs and love all animals. I think it is the owners fault not the animals.
BillMc

You love all animals yet you kick the dog "in the nads"? WTF do you do if you hate something?

It's always the owners' fault. And, the dogs often pay for their stupidity.

I didn't realize that I had to provide full details of the MUP in order to avoid unwanted advice. The MUP is divided like a road even with little yellow lines just like the road. Do I need to tell you that I am well within the cautionary limits? And on my side of the lane? Thanks for jumping to the wrong conclusion though...

I figure a little kick in the nads is better then pepper spray or a BB gun as some bikers do.
BillMc

Had an interesting encounter with a dog and owner. Last week a Pit mix that lives at a farm on a usual route chased me and my gf down the street. I've ridden this route for three yrs. and this was the first time I'd seen the dog. A few days ago I was riding solo past the same farm when the dog came out at me. This time it was in front of me and I had no place to go. So, I stopped and contemplated reaching for the pepper spray I carry. But, as I watched the dog come toward me I was sure it wasn't in attack mode. Then I heard the owner yelling, "Bad dog. Come back here." The owner was a young woman who came running from the yard. The dog turned around and went back to her. She then began apologizing profusely saying things like, "I'm so sorry. Did she bite your tires?" I was thinking, "Tires? That's the least of my worries." But, I just said, "No." She continued to apologize saying the dog chased after bicycle tires. (So, this has happened before then?) When she finally stopped apologizing and took a breath, I said, " I have two dogs myself. I love dogs. What really worries me is that your dog will run out in the street to chase a bicycle one of these days and get hit by a car. That would break my heart." I then went on to tell her that we had an Invisible Fence set up at our house and we no longer worry about our dogs running into the street. She thanked me for being so understanding and I didn't have to tell her that if her dog bit me I'd beat the hell out of it and possible her. I actually try to be reasonable before going into "f*ck You" mode. And, she was quite sincere in here apology. This was the same day I later crashed my Masi so I haven't been back on it yet and don't know if she's actually done anything to protect her dog from itself. I hope she has. I did my best.

I'd love to carry a mace; never runs out of ammo, and it's far more satisfying than shooting an attacking animal, but Texas has all those dumb club prohibitions.

It's crazy; I'm licensed to drop a .44 in my bag, and wouldn't even need the license to have my shotgun slung over my shoulder, but there's not even a license available for carrying a mace, ASP or PR-24.

FIFY.

If you can't control your dog, it's going to get hurt. If your solution to the victim defending themselves from your uncontrolled animal is to attack them yourself, you're going to get hurt too.

+1 Physically, legally and/or monetarily.

Modifying quotes is about the stupidest thing I have ever seen anyone do on a message board.

If I ever get an out of control dog that chases you down and gnaws your leg half off, you are more than welcome to finish ripping that leg off and beat the dog to death with it. The dog that I actually do have is not out of control and will not bite you, if you kick him I will hurt you. If I get hurt in the process, that is okay, I'm willing to pay that price if some idiot chooses to abuse my pet.

If your dog is close enough for me to kick him while I'm riding, then you're the idiot.

[QUOTE=KD5NRH;12905726]If your dog is close enough for me to kick him while I'm riding, then you're the idiot.[/QUOTE

I would have thought that I would be dealing with adults in the 50+ forum. I guess that 50+ must be in reference to something other than age?
I'm bored with your brainless crap. If you get close enough to my dog to kick him, all I can say is "Get off of my land!".:lol::lol:

Apparently it's not the IQ requirement.

You do not comprehend what is being said. YOU may know your dog. STRANGERS do not know your dog. It is not reasonable to EXPECT strangers to know your dog. It is not reasonable to burden strangers in public spaces with the RESPONSIBILITY of stopping and approaching every loose dog they encounter in the way that particular dog accepts being approached. That's why the law places that RESPONSIBILITY on the dog owner to control the animal.

The law also does not permit you to "protect my dog to the same degree as myself or any other member of my family". The law considers that a dog is not a person. It is, for almost all purposes, property. You can dislike that truth, but if you ignore it in your actions, you will be guilty of criminal assault charges at best.

I love dogs. I trained dogs for years in obedience, competition, agility, shutzhund, and correcting behavioral problems. I worked with Canine Companions for Independence in their puppy fostering/training program - for free. I am not afraid of dogs.

Your perspective of the "protective dog owner" is unfortunately accurate. There are a lot of dog owners that refuse to take responsibility for controlling, training, and supervising their animals, yet react violently when their "family" is menaced as a direct result of their failure. I can point them out to you virtually on sight at any novice obedience orientation. It's rather alarming.

KeS

My thoughts, exactly.......:rolleyes:

I read a lot about karma in this forum.

Yesterday I was riding with my niece on one of our regular routes. We were coming up to a place that has multiple loose dogs that frequently give chase. I have used a fair amount of Halt there, and already had the spray can out. I can't count the number of times we have had close calls there, but I do know that there were 3 instances where the owners stood and watched their dogs chase without taking any action.

The property is not visible until the last second because of a row of trees and shrubs that runs along the side of the property all the way to the road. There were a good number of cars parked on the street and I was thinking "oh great, a party, so the dogs will probably be out".

As we got past the trees and cars to where the place was visible, there was no house, just a smoking heap of charred materials. I felt awful - nobody should have to go through that - but then a fleeting thought of "karma" came to mind. Am I evil for even thinking that?

Admit it; you were humming "Fire Water Burn" in between giggles for the rest of the ride. :innocent:

No, actually the only failure to comprehend here is those who fail to comprehend that the law does not "allow" or "permit" much of anything. All the law really does is provide a range of penalty for
infractions. The lawman generally shows up after the fact, writes up reports, and maybe issue citations and/or makes arrests. But, the damage has already been done. Probably nothing a doctor and/or dentist can not sort out.

Other than that, you are just about spot on. I can no more expect you to know and understand animals than either of us can expect automobile drivers to know and understand bicycle regulations. Around here most still think that bicyclists should be on the sidewalk. My original intention was simply to present the fact that abusing animals could be hazardous to your health. I was using myself as an example when I probably should have presented it from the bicyclist's perspective instead. I both ride a bicycle and own a dog. If I ever catch me kicking my dog, I will have to hurt me........:lol::lol:

Well now, I reckon that settles it. I'm convinced now. I think I'll shoot my dog and check smoke detectors around the house. I did not realize that owning dogs earned one such a fate.

My post had only to do with "Einsteins and their pets" and the folks in my post, not with any of your specifics, which I have not been following. I'm sorry if you took it as a message to you.

No problem, My reply was intended to be tongue in cheek and a bit sarcastic, but no offense was intended or taken on my part. No animals were harmed and the smoke detectors have not been re-tested. :lol:

I think I have ceased trying to really make any kind of a point here and simply find the ignorance, arrogance and self entitlement expressed by some members here here to be amusing and entertaining. It's certainly obvious that some here will not waiver on their belief that everyone, dogs, dog owners, motorists and pedestrians included, all are expected to clear the path for the mighty bicyclist. Thankfully, this does not include most.

The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.:thumb: