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TampaRaleigh 01-15-13 03:37 PM

I'm not over 50 (yet) but I saw this thread and thought I might be able to contribute with my experience. (I hope nobody minds.)

I was diagnosed with low-T about a year ago. I saw 3 different doctors (GP, Endocrinologist, and Urologist) and all 3 ordered to have my testosterone levels checked, as they couldn't believe that my levels were that low. (I was 41, and my level was between 175 - 190 on every test.)

In the choice of treatments, I opted for the intramuscular injections for 3 reasons:
1. Cost is considerably lower. (My insurance doesn't cover it, and $100 gets me a 3 month supply, including syringes)
2. I don't have to worry about transfer to my wife.
3. It's quick and easy, one shot every 10 days.

Someone mentioned earlier about the "ups and downs" of the injections. That's true ONLY in the beginning. After 6 months, my levels had evened out and I wasn't experiencing the highs and lows like I was at the beginning. I still can tell when I'm at the last day or 2 of my cycle, my energy drops just a bit... but 8 out of 10 days, I'm doing great, and the last 2 days I'm doing far better than I was before I started HRT.

The ONLY downside to the injections is (obviously) the needles. These are deep muscular injections of a pretty thick oil. And by deep, I use a 1.5" 22 gauge needle into my thigh. It was scary at first... now it's a peice of cake.

One last bit of advice for those on HRT... talk to your doc about zinc supplements. Zinc is a natural mineral that blocks the conversion of testosterone into estrogen.

TampaRaleigh 01-15-13 03:41 PM


Originally Posted by triumph.1 (Post 15160508)
Sorry about the negative rant, but I think it's silly unless you need it to sustain your life.

There are those of us who need it to sustain a real life. For me, the best way to describe it... it was like that run-down, achey, tired, no-energy-but-you-can't-sleep feeling that you get with the flu. I was not able to function well enough to get through an 8 hour work day. At 42, I had the activity level of an 82 year old.

VNA 01-15-13 08:01 PM


Originally Posted by TampaRaleigh (Post 15160554)
There are those of us who need it to sustain a real life. For me, the best way to describe it... it was like that run-down, achey, tired, no-energy-but-you-can't-sleep feeling that you get with the flu. I was not able to function well enough to get through an 8 hour work day. At 42, I had the activity level of an 82 year old.

I hear you--it is unfortunate of so much advertising and of course misunderstandings around this issue--it only started once the delivery method was much easier using all those gels that are on the market now (as opposed to the injections.) Unfortunately these gels don't deliver enough for the one who has a serious deficiency.

Without that hormone the quality of life really suffers and it is actually debilitating--and of course has little to do with sex or at least it is a minor benefit among the so many good ones! Sleeping was a problem for me as well but the worse was those incredible vivid and violent nightmares, the muscle aches were horrendous, the moods were dark and on and on!

Was diagnosed with hypopituitarism (from a concussion) which means a need for hormone replacement for a non functioning thyroid as well!

k7baixo 01-16-13 09:15 PM


Originally Posted by triumph.1 (Post 15160508)
Isn't getting old is a fact of life? So what happens when your body quits producing it's own hormone because of the synthetic stuff being used, more and more gel? There is a lot of info out there and the only thing I needed to read was 1: your body basically quits producing it's own hormone and 2: some people have great results for the short term, but have to up the dose quickly and then it still drops after awhile. I looked into it before I let a pro talk me into a life long commitment of steroids. I also though why do I need to feel younger and stronger at 50. I'm already in great shape and feel good? The natural progression of life dictates things differently in my opinion. I did see a news story on CBS about how older men are turning to this treatment in order to get a boost with their energy, concentration and strength, but there is no long term study on the effects of the stuff and my guess is as everything artificial it isn't great. Sorry about the negative rant, but I think it's silly unless you need it to sustain your life.

I want to my urologist today with some concerns mostly around longer recovery times, a little fatigue, etc.

We spent a good 15 minutes discussing my needs and he said exactly what you stated:
1: your body basically quits producing it's own hormone and 2: some people have great results for the short term, but have to up the dose quickly and then it still drops after awhile.
He's a cyclist also although I'm not sure to what extent. We talked about my riding - speed, distance, etc and frankly, he was blown away.

He stated that I was doing all the right things and he wished that half the guys that he sees were doing what I do: exercise, watch my diet and take care of myself. For the reasons both of you stated, he wouldn't prescribe any kind of testosterone therapy for me.

I left his office feeling pretty good.


Originally Posted by TampaRaleigh (Post 15160554)
There are those of us who need it to sustain a real life. For me, the best way to describe it... it was like that run-down, achey, tired, no-energy-but-you-can't-sleep feeling that you get with the flu. I was not able to function well enough to get through an 8 hour work day. At 42, I had the activity level of an 82 year old.

No doubt - but for many, it's just the advertising influence.

billydonn 01-17-13 12:25 AM


Originally Posted by Phil85207 (Post 13712282)
I get a "T" shot once a month with vitamin B12. I can tell you it has made a hugh difference in my ridding and my general outlook too. I am not sure sure once a month is often enough and will talk to him about it on the next visit. I can feel myself lag at about three weeks. Good luck


Originally Posted by Teamfour (Post 13734814)
I am a diabetic and was also diagnosed with low-T. Doc put me on Androgel a couple of months ago. What a difference! I now have more energy, interested again in hobbies, and just overall feel better. I know there are risks, but I am willing to accept them in light of the changes the gel is making.


Originally Posted by Worknomore (Post 13884155)
25mg of Androgel (alcohol base) topicaly applied(after shower, takes about 5 seconds) daily for the last 6 years. Freaking fountain of youth for me. Doc checks the PSA twice a year and zero issues.
You can also have a compounding pharmacy whip up a simular brew.


Originally Posted by i'm paramount (Post 13887264)
I too have weighed the +'s and -'s I have been using TESTOS 25MG/PT1HRT dispenced as a cream and applied to the inside if the upper arm for well over a year. I have my blood checked every 3 months and the T Level has risen and i can tell you without hesiation that it works. I'm 70 years old and "feel 50" ---- Life has many decisions and the choice to use the T suppliment under doctors monotoring has been WONDERFUL !


Originally Posted by GrandBob (Post 13909878)
I have been taking Androgel for several months. Energy levels have improved, and average bike speed has slightly increased. It is prescription and a controlled substance, so must be taken only with a doctor's supervision. Certainly shouldn't be used simply to enhance one's competitiveness and is definitely illegal for professional athletes, but for old guys like me (76) it is a big help.

This is a collection of testimony from respondents to this thread who have actually used prescription testosterone. If people do not wish to use it they should not use it. No reports of undesirable side effects I don't think.

billydonn 01-17-13 12:44 AM


Originally Posted by volosong (Post 14161633)
Only did the metric century yesterday. The hills were front loaded with 3200 feet of climbing in that first 60 miles. After that, it was dead flat through the urban jungle. After a mile or so, I got tired of having to stop for a red light every couple of blocks or after every five minutes. Couldn't get any rhythm going. That was awful, so I turned around and finished up. My average speed was pretty good considering all the hills we had to climb, so I knew I didn't really take it easy. My Strava Suffer Score of 202 with 75 points in the red also shows me that I wasn't goofing off too much.

Today? I feel great! Slept well last night, and no "aches and pains" today. I'm ready to go again on another moderate-length ride. This stuff just might be working.

p.s. I'm sticking with the thigh for now. Seems to be the easiest and most convenient place for me.



Originally Posted by Leisesturm (Post 14173606)
... snip....

At the risk of sounding like an info-mercial I will say that the 'T' has saved my life. Being chronically low in 'T' is NOT a natural situation and allowing it to continue is just as bad, or worse, than taking excessive amounts of male hormone to acquire unnatural amounts of muscle and strength.

H

PS Your old lady will not turn into Sasquatch if she brushes against your thigh that you have liberally basted with an over application of sauce! Not even the gels are that potent but the creams are way less potent than the gels if you are nervous. Wash your hands after applying. Better yet apply some of your stash to your favorite spot to apply stuff on her and watch the fur fly. And no, I don't mean facial hair. Really, it's not harmful, you can't sue me if I'm wrong, but I'm not wrong. Bottom line, if you are in this forum, you likely could use a lot more 'T' and your spouse could certainly use a little. The 'accidental' contact is a win-win.


Originally Posted by gr8smiles (Post 14173770)
I'll share too....I will be 49 this month. Last fall, I was turned down for a life insurance upgrade. Seems that my cholesterol of 311 and triglycerides of over 400 were some cause for alarm:( February 1st, I had a physical with my physician and started a medically supervised program of diet and exercise. Last check three weeks ago, my cholesterol was 172 and my triglycerides were 95:thumb: I have lost 30 lbs and am down from a 38" waist to a 34". I am about 10 lbs from where I got married 25 years ago. I feel great. About 4 weeks ago, he tested for my T levels. I was 'low-normal', around 250-300, I think. He suggested some IM injections every 10 days followed by some 'pellet implants' that will absorb over 6-9 months. This stuff rocks!!! My weight has stabilized, but my lean mass is increasing and my body fat% is decreasing. I have more energy, focus, and a significant performance improvement (just ask my wife;)) He checked my PSA and that is very low. He will continue to check that and monitor my levels.
Also, my wife is going to start the therapy as well. It seems that many women suffer from low levels as well.
I am a believer and thrilled.


Originally Posted by Dudelsack (Post 15158645)
Babes dig me since I started Androgel.

More reports from this thread from those who have used prescription testosterone.


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