RANT: Smokers have taken over my relaxing areas
07-30-12, 07:49 AM
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If smokers don't respect the non-smoking areas you could always point it out to the management. If you stop at a coffee/bakery on a ride and the smoke bothers you, stop at a different coffee/bakery place.
Workplaces are harder, although perhaps if there are a few people who find smoke objectionable to the extent you do the management would be willing to do something about it?
Workplaces are harder, although perhaps if there are a few people who find smoke objectionable to the extent you do the management would be willing to do something about it?
I have worked at the same place for 14 years and it is as good as it is going to get, with the smokers there wanting to avoid listening to me beg, threaten, or otherwise complain about their noxious weeds.
When I first came to work there, there were more smokers and they smoked in the shop while working, which is against the law and the insurance regulations.
I went to the owner's daughter, who is a smoker, and she laughed it off. The only way to get relief was to deal with the offenders myself. The few who were resistant no longer work there, so I'm o.k. most of the time.
I do hate my job but am terrified to seek employment at another shop because I might have to start all over with smokers and I can't imagine going to work and getting sick every day like I have in the past.
07-30-12, 08:13 AM
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Saw a t-shirt once with those two characters by Matt Groening, the ones wearing fez'z.(Jeff and Akbar) One says "Mind if I smoke?"; the other says, "No, mind if I fart?"
Saw a bumper sticker yesterday; "Are ashtrays that complicated, or are smokers too simple?"
I was a smoker form 1976 to 1988.
Saw a bumper sticker yesterday; "Are ashtrays that complicated, or are smokers too simple?"
I was a smoker form 1976 to 1988.
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07-31-12, 03:54 PM
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I've already made it clear I'm done conversing with the OP in this thread anyhow. But I would like to ask a couple questions, especially of the smoke sensitive people if that's alright with them.
1: How many if any other things also set you off besides cigarette smoke and I meant with actual symptoms? (please be honest).
1: How many if any other things also set you off besides cigarette smoke and I meant with actual symptoms? (please be honest).
The test indicated I was allergic to two types of plant pollen, tobacco and tobacco smoke. I took shots for a couple years to reduce my sensitivity to all four allergens.
Rx Rider argues that cigarette smoke is simply an irritant. He is correct that cigarette smoke is an irritant, but he is wrong in claiming that it cannot also be an allergen.
My allergen test as a teenager was many, many years before the apartment smoking law suit that Rx Rider claims started his so called claims of false invention of cigarette smoke being an allergen.
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07-31-12, 05:19 PM
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When I was a teenager, I had allergy induced asthma problems. Doctor did an allergy test which consisted of scratching the skin on my back at numerous locations (test sites). At each test site, the doctor put a drop of solution containing a specific allergen. The test sites that turned red (and they itched as well, but the visual redness was what the doctor used) indicated I was allergic to that specific allergen. Just like touching poison ivy and the skin turns red and itches.
The test indicated I was allergic to two types of plant pollen, tobacco and tobacco smoke. I took shots for a couple years to reduce my sensitivity to all four allergens.
Rx Rider argues that cigarette smoke is simply an irritant. He is correct that cigarette smoke is an irritant, but he is wrong in claiming that it cannot also be an allergen.
My allergen test as a teenager was many, many years before the apartment smoking law suit that Rx Rider claims started his so called claims of false invention of cigarette smoke being an allergen.
The test indicated I was allergic to two types of plant pollen, tobacco and tobacco smoke. I took shots for a couple years to reduce my sensitivity to all four allergens.
Rx Rider argues that cigarette smoke is simply an irritant. He is correct that cigarette smoke is an irritant, but he is wrong in claiming that it cannot also be an allergen.
My allergen test as a teenager was many, many years before the apartment smoking law suit that Rx Rider claims started his so called claims of false invention of cigarette smoke being an allergen.
It could be a big deal if a doctor treated an "near allergy" like an allergy and gave you every med on the planet to help your immune system and it turned out to be a neurological problem instead. fortunately for us doctors don't make mistakes.
07-31-12, 06:37 PM
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Denver, I'm with you on this one.
But wait: I really hate crappy perfume worn by old ladies with no sense of smell. I don't like it when young ladies wear bad perfume, either, but at least they tend not to bathe in it.
The worst? When they douse themselves in cheap nasty smelling perfume to cover up their tobacco smell. Yuck. It's disgusting.
Whats the answer? Ban old ladies? Seems harsh. Ban old ladies wearing cheap perfume? YES. If they're allowed to wear perfume at all, they need to keep the receipt and prove they bought it at Nordstroms rather than Walmart. Walmart perfume. Nasty.
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I would much, much rather put up with people smoking in public than have them chewing and spitting in public. I think we should make a law that anyone who spits on the sidewalk should have to lick it up. I won't go on my friends boat because he chews. That is f'ing nasty.
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an allergic reaction is the immune system responding. so there could be an allergy to the proteins found in tobacco. once up in smoke the proteins are gone and any physiological conditions become neurologically caused. so the "smoke allergy" can't exist. you can't fight allergy like symptoms it with allergy meds because the immune systems isn't doing anything.
It could be a big deal if a doctor treated an "near allergy" like an allergy and gave you every med on the planet to help your immune system and it turned out to be a neurological problem instead. fortunately for us doctors don't make mistakes.
It could be a big deal if a doctor treated an "near allergy" like an allergy and gave you every med on the planet to help your immune system and it turned out to be a neurological problem instead. fortunately for us doctors don't make mistakes.
allergen [al´er-jen] 1. a substance, protein or nonprotein, capable of inducing allergy or specific hypersensitivity.
2. a purified protein of a food (such as milk, eggs, or wheat), bacterium, or pollen. adj., adj allergen´ic. Allergens are used to test a patient for hypersensitivity to specific substances (see skin test). They are also used to desensitize or hyposensitize allergic individuals (see immunotherapy).
Almost any substance in the environment can be an allergen. The list of known allergens includes plant pollens, spores of mold, animal dander, house dust, foods, feathers, dyes, soaps, detergents, cosmetics, plastics, and drugs. Allergens can enter the body by being inhaled, swallowed, touched, or injected. Once the allergen comes in contact with body cells it sets off a series of immune responses that can range from localized inflammation to a fatal systemic anaphylaxis.
Miller-Keane Encyclopedia and Dictionary of Medicine, Nursing, and Allied Health, Seventh Edition. © 2003 by Saunders, an imprint of Elsevier, Inc. All rights reserved.
2. a purified protein of a food (such as milk, eggs, or wheat), bacterium, or pollen. adj., adj allergen´ic. Allergens are used to test a patient for hypersensitivity to specific substances (see skin test). They are also used to desensitize or hyposensitize allergic individuals (see immunotherapy).
Almost any substance in the environment can be an allergen. The list of known allergens includes plant pollens, spores of mold, animal dander, house dust, foods, feathers, dyes, soaps, detergents, cosmetics, plastics, and drugs. Allergens can enter the body by being inhaled, swallowed, touched, or injected. Once the allergen comes in contact with body cells it sets off a series of immune responses that can range from localized inflammation to a fatal systemic anaphylaxis.
Miller-Keane Encyclopedia and Dictionary of Medicine, Nursing, and Allied Health, Seventh Edition. © 2003 by Saunders, an imprint of Elsevier, Inc. All rights reserved.
allergen
1. a substance, protein or nonprotein, capable of inducing allergy or specific hypersensitivity.
2. an extract of any substance known to cause allergy.
Allergens are used to test a patient for hypersensitivity to specific substances (see skin test). They are also used to densensitize or hyposensitize allergic individuals. See immunotherapy.
Almost any substance in the environment can be an allergen. The list of known allergens includes plant pollens, spores of mold, food preservatives, dyes, drugs, inorganic chemicals and vaccines. Allergens can enter the body by being inhaled, swallowed, touched or injected. Following primary exposure to an allergen, subsequent exposures result in hypersensitivity (allergic) reactions which may be immediate or delayed, local or systemic and include anaphylaxis and contact dermatitis.
[HR][/HR]alum-precipated allergen an allergen extract used in intradermal and scratch allergy skin testing; the allergen is adsorbed onto alum to slow antigen release and provide a slower, more persistent immune stimulation. Local tissue reactions and skin nodules may follow their use.
aqueous allergen a form of allergen extract used in intradermal and scratch allergy skin testing. In hyposensitization regimes, it is rapidly absorbed, but requires more frequent administration.
emulsion allergen allergen extracts prepared in propylene glycol glycerin, or mineral oil. They give the most sustained effect when used in hyposensitization regimes.
Saunders Comprehensive Veterinary Dictionary, 3 ed. © 2007 Elsevier, Inc. All rights reserved
1. a substance, protein or nonprotein, capable of inducing allergy or specific hypersensitivity.
2. an extract of any substance known to cause allergy.
Allergens are used to test a patient for hypersensitivity to specific substances (see skin test). They are also used to densensitize or hyposensitize allergic individuals. See immunotherapy.
Almost any substance in the environment can be an allergen. The list of known allergens includes plant pollens, spores of mold, food preservatives, dyes, drugs, inorganic chemicals and vaccines. Allergens can enter the body by being inhaled, swallowed, touched or injected. Following primary exposure to an allergen, subsequent exposures result in hypersensitivity (allergic) reactions which may be immediate or delayed, local or systemic and include anaphylaxis and contact dermatitis.
[HR][/HR]alum-precipated allergen an allergen extract used in intradermal and scratch allergy skin testing; the allergen is adsorbed onto alum to slow antigen release and provide a slower, more persistent immune stimulation. Local tissue reactions and skin nodules may follow their use.
aqueous allergen a form of allergen extract used in intradermal and scratch allergy skin testing. In hyposensitization regimes, it is rapidly absorbed, but requires more frequent administration.
emulsion allergen allergen extracts prepared in propylene glycol glycerin, or mineral oil. They give the most sustained effect when used in hyposensitization regimes.
Saunders Comprehensive Veterinary Dictionary, 3 ed. © 2007 Elsevier, Inc. All rights reserved
08-01-12, 10:16 AM
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that's very informative mr. Bikey Mikey, thanks for that. and add that cigarette smoke isn't unpleasant to many but to all. there's nothing better than a smoke on a windy day, blows all that nasty smoke away. everyone hates the smoke. I've seen a happy little dog throw fits when a smoker lit up.
I hope CB HI doesn't suffer from both an allergy to the tobacco plant and the reaction some suffer from the smoke. that would suck. especially if he lived in VA. I wonder if the illness folks like big john and cb would be the same from burning "plain" tobacco vs. a real cigarette. that would be a shame if the chemicals made the reaction worse. still haven't heard what a fresh banana tastes like btw. any different than the green rocks they sell at the market?
I hope CB HI doesn't suffer from both an allergy to the tobacco plant and the reaction some suffer from the smoke. that would suck. especially if he lived in VA. I wonder if the illness folks like big john and cb would be the same from burning "plain" tobacco vs. a real cigarette. that would be a shame if the chemicals made the reaction worse. still haven't heard what a fresh banana tastes like btw. any different than the green rocks they sell at the market?
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Dnvr,
I hate the smell of cigarette smoke so much that I actually get a very upset stomach if there is a lot of cigarette smoke in the area. It sometimes gets to where I almost puke. I have often thought of going to the smokers and heaving on them and then telling them, "Since your smoke, that I shared with you, is what caused me to puke, I just thought you might want to share the results with me." I would probably would get my a$$ kicked, but it would be nice to make that point.
I hate the smell of cigarette smoke so much that I actually get a very upset stomach if there is a lot of cigarette smoke in the area. It sometimes gets to where I almost puke. I have often thought of going to the smokers and heaving on them and then telling them, "Since your smoke, that I shared with you, is what caused me to puke, I just thought you might want to share the results with me." I would probably would get my a$$ kicked, but it would be nice to make that point.
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Reminds me of something I heard long ago - having a smoking section in a restaurant is like having a peeing section in a public pool.
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+1 I was thinking the same thing - the somewhat rare lady doused in perfume. I think of it as a perfume bomb.
When I was younger there was no escaping smoke fumes. It's much better now - so much so that I can detect smokers several car lengths ahead of me.
When I was younger there was no escaping smoke fumes. It's much better now - so much so that I can detect smokers several car lengths ahead of me.
Holy Granolie, can't someone enjoy a good old-fashioned rant these days?
Denver, I'm with you on this one.
But wait: I really hate crappy perfume worn by old ladies with no sense of smell. I don't like it when young ladies wear bad perfume, either, but at least they tend not to bathe in it.
The worst? When they douse themselves in cheap nasty smelling perfume to cover up their tobacco smell. Yuck. It's disgusting.
Whats the answer? Ban old ladies? Seems harsh. Ban old ladies wearing cheap perfume? YES. If they're allowed to wear perfume at all, they need to keep the receipt and prove they bought it at Nordstroms rather than Walmart. Walmart perfume. Nasty.
Denver, I'm with you on this one.
But wait: I really hate crappy perfume worn by old ladies with no sense of smell. I don't like it when young ladies wear bad perfume, either, but at least they tend not to bathe in it.
The worst? When they douse themselves in cheap nasty smelling perfume to cover up their tobacco smell. Yuck. It's disgusting.
Whats the answer? Ban old ladies? Seems harsh. Ban old ladies wearing cheap perfume? YES. If they're allowed to wear perfume at all, they need to keep the receipt and prove they bought it at Nordstroms rather than Walmart. Walmart perfume. Nasty.
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In general, for nearly all establishments in VA, smoking is banned in restaurants. There are exceptions: https://www.vdh.virginia.gov/breatheeasy/faqs.htm
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Do we in the 50+ thread really have this little to do with our time?
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08-02-12, 12:40 AM
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that's very informative mr. Bikey Mikey, thanks for that. and add that cigarette smoke isn't unpleasant to many but to all. there's nothing better than a smoke on a windy day, blows all that nasty smoke away. everyone hates the smoke. I've seen a happy little dog throw fits when a smoker lit up.
I hope CB HI doesn't suffer from both an allergy to the tobacco plant and the reaction some suffer from the smoke. that would suck. especially if he lived in VA. I wonder if the illness folks like big john and cb would be the same from burning "plain" tobacco vs. a real cigarette. that would be a shame if the chemicals made the reaction worse. still haven't heard what a fresh banana tastes like btw. any different than the green rocks they sell at the market?
I hope CB HI doesn't suffer from both an allergy to the tobacco plant and the reaction some suffer from the smoke. that would suck. especially if he lived in VA. I wonder if the illness folks like big john and cb would be the same from burning "plain" tobacco vs. a real cigarette. that would be a shame if the chemicals made the reaction worse. still haven't heard what a fresh banana tastes like btw. any different than the green rocks they sell at the market?
One of the reasons for living in Hawaii, is the trade winds quickly take care of most of the problems. Things have been even better, since the last two smoking co-workers were let go.
Camel cigarettes is the only brand that I know of that has an irritant that has a strong impact on me. I do not know the secret chemical that Camel puts in, but a single breath of it's second hand smoke is enough to cause my tear duct drains to swell up and back up the fluids around my eyes until they are forced closed and I cannot see. Before the smoking restrictions, I would miss work a couple times a year because of Camel smokers.
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OK, I rode. What are we supposed to do now? Anyone ever smoked corn silk?
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Well, this has certainly been one of the more interesting threads lately. Since we're so far off the original topic, how about a look at some cigarette ads? Advertising
and marketing are something of a side hobby of mine. Gotta love the various methods and means they use to get us to buy stuff.
Like these.
Dakota was a brand from RJ reynolds, targeted toward what they called "Virile Females". This meant women aged 18 to 40, who were not college educated, worked assembly line or waitress jobs, etc. I don't think they ever made it beyond the test marketing stage. And how could you not love "Joe Camel"? Wasn't there a ruckus when twelve year olds started showing up at school wearing t-shirts with Joe on them? Yep, love those marketing types.
And let us not forget Uptown cigarettes!
These were targeted toward urban blacks. Again, they never made it past the test marketing stage.
All this aside, a beautiful blonde woman, in high heels, shorts, and lots of cleavage showing, makes me want to run right out to the home depot and buy power tools. How about you guys? (Tongue firmly in cheek here..)
and marketing are something of a side hobby of mine. Gotta love the various methods and means they use to get us to buy stuff.
Like these.
Dakota was a brand from RJ reynolds, targeted toward what they called "Virile Females". This meant women aged 18 to 40, who were not college educated, worked assembly line or waitress jobs, etc. I don't think they ever made it beyond the test marketing stage. And how could you not love "Joe Camel"? Wasn't there a ruckus when twelve year olds started showing up at school wearing t-shirts with Joe on them? Yep, love those marketing types.
And let us not forget Uptown cigarettes!
These were targeted toward urban blacks. Again, they never made it past the test marketing stage.
All this aside, a beautiful blonde woman, in high heels, shorts, and lots of cleavage showing, makes me want to run right out to the home depot and buy power tools. How about you guys? (Tongue firmly in cheek here..)
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If governments didn't make billions off tobacco taxes and billions more off tobacco company profits, they would ban smoking all together. Although I sometimes wonder if the billions spent on treating smoking related illness and the billions more in lost productivity when smokers are off work due to that illness and off for there smoke break, while smokers are busy working, doesn't counteract most of it.