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donheff 10-04-12 06:45 AM


Originally Posted by DnvrFox (Post 14804687)
Go with the bike that really "turns you on." One that begs you to ride it.

+1 The bike that is fun to ride will encourage you to get out and ride more often. You will get used to getting on and off quickly.

DnvrFox 10-04-12 06:48 AM


Originally Posted by qcpmsame (Post 14805396)
As to the brakes for the flats of a drop bar, don't use the 70's turkey wing "safety brake levers" on any bike. They flex and have poor feel. A brake interrupter lever set would be better for this set up.

Bill

I have them on both road bikes. They make riding on MUPS easier

Phil_gretz 10-04-12 06:54 AM

Just a few things to add to already excellent feedback...

L4/L5 fusion in 2008 here, I ride road and mountain bikes. Road bike positioning is generally more comfortable for me.

On dismounting, don't think of sitting on the saddle as you approach a stop. Stopping is done while STANDING on the pedals. Your dominant foot is downward at 6 o'clock. You remove your other foot from the pedal at 12:00, and reach downward with that foot as you apply the brakes gently. As your momentum slows and you come to a stop, gently touch down with that foot. Remove the other foot and you're standing. As others have suggested swing your dominant leg back and over the saddle as you bend the knee. I know that this may be obvious, but maybe it'll help?

On where to ride. Paved trails are excellent for gaining strength. Empty parking lots (school lots on the weekend or during summer) are great for gaining confidence and practicing particular skills. Roads are good for finding new adventures, exploring, and traveling to particular destinations (such as for a slice of pie, coffee with a friend, or running errands).

Sidewalks are for pedestrians, not bicycles. You'll expose yourself to additional risks by riding on a sidewalk - I'd highly recommend that you not develop that habit. It's better to learn to ride on roadways. Begin by riding in residential neighborhoods to gain confidence and positive control of how you choose your line and where you position yourself at intersections. Stop fully at stop signs, and obey all other traffic signals. Eventually, you'll feel confident enough to move onto interconnecting roads.

Good luck. Phil

Phil_gretz 10-04-12 06:57 AM


Originally Posted by Soaranator (Post 14805371)
...cruising with my wife. She talks and stops a lot, in addition to being a bit unpredictable...

:roflmao:

Word.

Condorita 10-04-12 08:31 AM


Originally Posted by NCbiker (Post 14804680)
Checkout a Surly Crosscheck if you can. http://surlybikes.com/bikes/cross_check. You will get used to dismounting as your flexibility will increase the more you ride. At first I had to lean the bike way over to dismount. I remember almost busting my azz while dismounting during a test ride. I find it helpful to bend my leg at the knee as I'm swinging my leg over the seat. You'll get the hang of it quickly.

Different shops will offer different levels of fitting services. Some might just have Uncle Buck come out and visually size you up, while others will offer a professional fitting service that uses a video camera to record your peddling and position. Whatever method, it's critical you find a bike that fits and is comfortable to you. Don't hesitate to test ride bikes.

So how you sell is important to riding?

NCbiker 10-04-12 08:50 AM


Originally Posted by Condorita (Post 14805703)
So how you sell is important to riding?

For some reason, I feel I made your day. :rolleyes:

GeorgeBMac 10-04-12 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by donheff (Post 14805420)
+1 The bike that is fun to ride will encourage you to get out and ride more often. You will get used to getting on and off quickly.

I would agree -- with a minor amendment:

' A bike that is fun to ride will encourage you to get out and ride more often."

I have a road bike that is tons of fun to ride. It's the "little red sports car" that I take out on nice, clear, dry days.

But, the hybrid is also fun to ride and is always ready for whatever comes up. Plus, when riding on less well maintained trails, or new trails, I know it can handle it...
... So, I find the hybrid getting more use than the road bike.

Road bikes are specialists: They do what they were designed to do very, very well - go really fast and be highly responsive.

Hybrids, in my opinion are the work horses: mine is equipped with fenders, rear rack & trunk, headlight, and nice wide, treaded tires that can go through a little mud or loose gravel without too much trouble.

No, it doesn't do the things the road bike does. But neither can the road bike do what the hybrid does...

It's sort of like having a Porsche and an SUV...
... Which one is more fun and which one gets used more?

Deego65 10-04-12 09:32 AM

I am overwhelmed by all this information folks.. biking isn't as simple as I thought it would be :-)

I don't understand what is a brake interrupter is, but I will google it.

I actually don't know which store would be a good one. There are three stores within about 10 minute walk from where I live. One of them appears more geared to sports and performance (called fresh bikes), and the other two are less intimidating! but not sure how knowledgeable their staff is.

The last two hybrids I tried were the Fuji Absolute 1.0 and the Specialized Comp, and I was told both of them are road bikes at heart! I will try to rent from one store (only one of them have rentals).

I haven't had fusion but have had multiple laminectomies/discectomies. You guys seem way ahead when you talk about rides that are longer than an hour! honestly, I woke up sore today from trying two bikes yesterday for 5 minutes or so each! Does that give away how pathetic my condition is?

GeorgeBMac 10-04-12 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by Deego65 (Post 14805916)
I am overwhelmed by all this information folks.. biking isn't as simple as I thought it would be :-)

I don't understand what is a brake interrupter is, but I will google it.

I actually don't know which store would be a good one. There are three stores within about 10 minute walk from where I live. One of them appears more geared to sports and performance (called fresh bikes), and the other two are less intimidating! but not sure how knowledgeable their staff is.

The last two hybrids I tried were the Fuji Absolute 1.0 and the Specialized Comp, and I was told both of them are road bikes at heart! I will try to rent from one store (only one of them have rentals).

I haven't had fusion but have had multiple laminectomies/discectomies. You guys seem way ahead when you talk about rides that are longer than an hour! honestly, I woke up sore today from trying two bikes yesterday for 5 minutes or so each! Does that give away how pathetic my condition is?

Yes, we know how "pathetic [your] condition is...." because many, maybe most, of us started from pretty much the same spot. My first ride got me all of about 3 miles before I was pretty sure I saw the grim reaper coming up behind me a lot faster than I could peddle... After a summer of riding most everyday, I can't say that I am up to the level of most of the good folks on this forum -- but I can do about 10 times more than what I could do just a few months ago -- and each week I get a little stronger.

... Now I realize how much I need to ride ... It's literally a matter of life and death.

So, do what you can do, and keep at it without trying to do things that you are not ready for (yet)...

As for finding a good bike store, it is pretty much like finding a good plumber... You know it when you find one...

I would suggest that you simply go in, tell them what you want to do and your concerns: The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. You won't be the first one like you/us they have talked to. They've heard your story a thousand times...

The good one will start asking questions and be looking to match you up with the best bike for you...

The bad one will be trying to find out what it takes to sell you a bike.

The good one will be trying to find the best bike for YOU. The bad one will be trying to make a sale...
... As for whether they know what they are talking about, you can usually tell pretty quickly. But be careful of the ones who simply rattle off specs and statistics...

The guy I deal with is an avid cyclist, and is not dogmatic about it. He works with me and works to find what will make biking more enjoyable for me and has quite often turned down a sale if he didn't think it would help me. His theory is: "If you make a happy cyclist, you have a customer for life".

... My plumber seems to have the same philosophy. And both of them have a lifelong customer.

As for it being complicated: Yes, it is...
... But that's where a knowledgeable bike shop can make it simple. Yes, you will have your own decisions to make. But you will be making them from a position of "What's the BEST option?" vs "I wonder if this will work?"

DnvrFox 10-04-12 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by GeorgeBMac (Post 14805794)
It's sort of like having a Porsche and an SUV...
... Which one is more fun and which one gets used more?

Road bike = sports car
Hybrid = Buick
Mtn bike = Jeep
Recumbent = ??

Latif 10-04-12 10:45 AM

It's not uncommon to be sore on very short rides when you haven't been riding. It seems to go away quickly, at least for me.
I'm 62 and just returned to riding after 20 years and wasn't a big time rider before that anyway. I've worked in the construction industry for most of my adult life and had a number of back issues as well as arm and hip problems as well although nothing that required surgery. Even had torn meniscus in my right knee which have repaired themselves over the years.
I got a hybrid in June, a trek DS, thinking it would be a great all around bike as I used to like mountain biking and it is a good all around. What I wasn't prepared for was the fact that I found myself loving the open road. What was a simple few mile trip turned into 10, then 15 miles and I began wishing for something lighter and sportier,a road bike. This story is very common around here. I decided on a "comfort" bike and ended up with a specialized Secteur which gives the option of a reasonably upright ride on the hoods and bar tops and a racier more aero ride in the lower positions, on the "drops". I'm no more stretched out than on my hybrid and the typical on the hoods position is more natural feeling than on my hybrid with your arms so wide. In a couple months I've reached the 50 mile mark something I couldn't imagine when I started. I'm glad I've got both bikes as the hybrid is becoming my work horse but I've even had my road bike on some very narrow dirt trails and was surprised how confident I felt.
I also test rode another "comfort" road bike, a Cannondale synapse which was great as well and a Surly pacer, a middle of the road steel bike. I've heard the Giant Defy series is also in the comfort/endurance league as well.
Take your time and good luck in your search.

stapfam 10-04-12 10:56 AM


Originally Posted by BlazingPedals (Post 14805402)
Whatever you do, DO NOT get a recumbent. They're only for old people or the disabled.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...g?t=1257719154

Seriously, though; for trails I'd get the hybrid. But bear in mind that sooner or later you may want to expand your riding to include club rides and/or the road; at which point the hybrid won't cut it anymore.

Blazing pedals has made a valid point. Although you do not know what type of riding you are going to do-Unless it is Mountain Biking- then most of us do graduate to road. Luckily there is a thing called N+1 but that and other terminology can wait for a while.

VNA 10-04-12 12:39 PM

Hybrids do nothing well--that is a very simplistic generalization but not that far off.

If you want to do road riding get a road bike and if you want a more sedate/stable or dirt riding get a good mountain bike, you always can put on slick fat tires that will ride almost as a road bike such as "fat boys."

But then, you will realize that a road bike would have been nice!

stapfam 10-04-12 12:53 PM

Looks like we are all trying to push the OP into a road bike. Final thing does come down to a test ride and this only has to be a couple of miles on the initial test to see what type of bike will suit him. This is another advantage of an LBS as most will make this possible.

I now have several road bikes but I also have a "City Bike" At least that is what I would call it but similar to a hybrid in ride and ride position. I use it a lot- round town and for local trips. After about 10 miles though it starts to hurt. Fit is good but hills are tougher- Speed is lower and the body does start to ache.

Last year I had a mate that used his hybrid to commute to work- but it was stolen. Whilst looking for the replacement bike- I loaned him my TCR road bike. Set it up for fit and he used it for a week. He loved it---but-----not for him. It was faster- lighter- took the hills with ease and it was comfortable. But he did not feel comfortable in traffic in the city and preferred to have the upright position as he felt he had better control of the bike and could see the things that were trying to take him down. He bought another hybrid.

So a different take on what bike will be suitable.

I would still suggest the road bike though.

Deego65 10-04-12 01:56 PM

Very useful pointers guys. Thanks Latif for the list of some of those easier posture road bikes.

I checked the web site of the closest bike store (called Fresh Bikes, used to be called Conte's until two years ago), and here is the list of what they have:
Road, Triathlon and Time Trial Bikes


Specialized: S-Works & EVO, Allez, Tarmac SL3 & SL4, Roubaix, Shiv, Amira, Venge, Ruby, Dolce
Cannondale: Caad8, Caad10, Supersix, Super6 Evo, Synapse, Slice
Cervelo: S2, S3, S5 Pro, S5 Team, S5 VWD, RS, R3, R5, R5 VWD, R5CA, P1, P2, P3, P4
Pinarello: Dogma, FP Quattro, FP Due, Rokh, Paris, Dogma 2
Willier: Imperiale, Izoard XP, Cento Uno, Superleggera, Zero 7, Gran Turismo, Twinfoil


Cyclocross Bikes


Cannondale: SuperX and CaadX
Specialized: Crux Disc, Crux EVO

I will have to go check out for myself, but I think first I will go to the only close by store that offers rentals. The challenge is that the one I would rent may not be of the same brand as the one carried by that or the other store, but at least it would have given me the chance to try the road bike for more than 5 minutes.

The saga continues :-)

Deego65 10-04-12 02:02 PM

By the way, one assumptions I made is that I should choose a bike store that is very close to where I live, to make my life easier during service and maintenance etc. But is this a criteria you use, or you would go to a good store regardless of the distance?

stapfam 10-04-12 02:43 PM

Choose the LBS that suits you. In the town where I live were two bike shops. Neither carried the grade of bike I wanted nor had the knowledge of the type of riding I did. They were OK for spares but that was about all.

The LBS I eventually used was 10 miles away and were into road bikes and I was mountain biking. But they had the experience to know what suited me and over the years I got plenty of help and some pretty good deals. Got them stumped when I got the Offroad Tandem though.

But find the right LBS and you will be able to get a few test rides. May not be on a Fuji Roubaix as they may not carry that make but will carry bikes of the same quality and grade.

It is finding that right LBS that may take most of your time. You will know when you find it.

GeorgeBMac 10-04-12 02:44 PM


Originally Posted by Deego65 (Post 14806974)
By the way, one assumptions I made is that I should choose a bike store that is very close to where I live, to make my life easier during service and maintenance etc. But is this a criteria you use, or you would go to a good store regardless of the distance?

I have two LBS's equally distant from my home: I walk into the Trek shop and get great help (which includes service, questions and advise). When I walk into the other, its like walking into a supermarket. They'll tell you what aisle something is in but that's about it.

A quality bike is a serious investment. You want to protect it. Sure, it's nice to have an LBS close at hand, but if they are not helpful, why bother?

ping jockey 10-04-12 03:10 PM


Is the $1,000 a decent range or would I only find inferior bikes at this range?


$1000 will certainly buy you a good bike. In fact it's probably a good price point for your first bike.

Check out the different bike shops and above all, ride anything in their stock that doesn't give you sticker shock. You will find that any good shop will be more than happy to let an interested shopper ride their bikes. If it gets down to narrowing it down between a couple of different models go back and take them for longer rides a second time.

GeorgeBMac 10-04-12 03:26 PM

[QUOTE=ping jockey;14807232]

$1000 will certainly buy you a good bike. In fact it's probably a good price point for your first bike.
/QUOTE]

Actually, you could get a cheaper, name-brand hybrid for about half of that. I wouldn't recommend getting the bottom of the line, but you could get a decent starter bike for much less. Basically you could get a decent hybrid for $650 - $750. And, the difference between it and the high-end, $1,000 version of the same model would usually be in replaceable components. So, as you ride, and decide you want better, you could upgrade to the $1,000 version or even better...

Road bikes tend to be more expensive than hybrids.

And the best of both worlds is, well, both....

Deego65 10-04-12 03:35 PM

Good stuff. So, I gotta do my homework and research those bike stores. If any of you have a suggestion for a bike store you dealt with in the DC Metropolitan area, (including MD and VA) I would welcome the advice. It would help since I don't trust my judgement in knowing which bike store is good or better than the other. Cheers.

Deego65 10-04-12 04:01 PM

was checking the bulletin board at work and came across a Scott Speedster S40 (52cm) that is selling for $485, three years old. But I think buying used would require much more biking knowledge. Besides, I was told that I should look for size 54.

DnvrFox 10-04-12 04:10 PM

A significant item of fit is the length of one's legs in proportion to one's upper body

bjjoondo 10-04-12 05:58 PM

"I may be too afraid to ride in the streets so may prefer the side walk instead". So, should that lead me to buy the hybrid? would the road bike hurt my back on the long run?"

Rant on: So did any of you "hybrid haters", actually READ the OP's statement before you suggested, $1,000 plus ROAD Bikes?? Why does the OP need a expensive ROAD bike to ride for recreation on a "paved path" or the SIDEWALK!!! Any decent $5-600 hundred alum. hybrid will do the OP "excellently" for the type of riding he describes any $1,000 flat bar road bike, type hybrid will be WELL above what the OP intendes to ride, JMHO!!

Hybrids may not be "perfect" road/paceline/racing machines BUT, they are the "jack of all trades" and can do ANY kind of riding from "commuting/utility/recreational to touring", I know cause we DO ALL those types of riding on our sub-thousand dollar hybrids and we DO NOT FEEL, like we "should have bought a Road Bike", in the least! Come on folks, let's get REAL with the advise to a NEWBIE!, Rant off.

BlazingPedals 10-04-12 06:20 PM

Years ago, I got my hybrid for commuting. And yes, for that application it did better than a road bike, or a mountain bike, or for that matter my recumbent. If I were buying now, I might be tempted to get one of the new 'flat bar road bikes' though.


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