That is correct -- it's a very dangerous way to draft because it's very easy for your front wheel to touch the rear wheel of the other bike. Your front wheel gets turned to one side resulting in you instantly crashing.

Learned something. Looks like "half wheeling" has more than one definition.

http://www.cyclechat.net/threads/wha...heeling.85455/

Not neccessarily correct. Get beyond intro to group riding and you start to learn how to have contact that doesn't result in instant crashes.

The first and most important thing, is to maintain the mindset that "you can and will ride out of such situations".

In the case of front tire contact due to riding overlapped, most novices instinctive reation will be to try to lean or steer away from the contact. This is incorrect. You actually lean into the contact and use it to stabilize the situation. You slow and allow the leading tire to pull away from yours and carry on.

While half wheeling while drafting is less than the safest way to ride. It and the potential contact need not be an instant accident.

Yup. I love to sandbag with my rifle. That is, shooting ability. These guys show up with their high fallutin' rifles and shoot their best "group".....i throw my 300.00 Savage with plastic stock up on the bench and shoot the flies off their target. They think an expensive rifle shoots all by itself I guess.

Oh yeah cycling....train a little bit more and go drop somebody on the MUP. It works for me :lol:

How.........COULD you**********

Remember , part of the racer's tactics, is all in your head. little games is part of the larger game..



just let me know where you will end up, and buy me a round when I finally get there.. :beer:

Better than a halfbagging sandwheeler... and I don't even know what that is.

Isn't that just normal in the parking lot cycling speak. Take everything they say with a grain of salt. Look for that old video "sh!@ cyclists say"

Funny responses. I guess some people are just insecure about their riding. I know I suck and want everyone to know. Then I go out and prove it. lol

http://youtu.be/GMCkuqL9IcM

I didn't get dropped. I am just practicing long distance drafting.

I usually ride by myself but if I was riding with a group and they pulled away, I would just continue at my pace and hope to find my way back to the pick up point.

"His base is bigger than my peak". :lol: :lol:

We must look and sound ridiculous to some.

Yea, well ... you know what they say ... the first step to recovery is recognizing that you have the problem.

Glad were avoiding political stuff on this forum.

Anyway, these videos never grow old:

Lots of definitions for sandbagging. In CB lingo, it refers to people listening in to a conversation without joining in. I suppose we could equate that with lurkers that read posts without contributing?
More definitions here.

http://sandbaggersanonymous.blogspot...ndbagging.html

Genius:

"You dick."

"What?"

"I really like your new kit."

fify

Who cares? I sure don't. If a new ride partner pushes me hard I'm free to choose my response no matter what stories have been exchanged beforehand. Why in the world would that evoke anger?

These personality types are everywhere. Once I know their behavior the amount of time I spend with them is the bare minimum. I do not care to be involved with their issues. That being said I ride alone most of the time.

I think I would rather just avoid halfwheeling or being halfwheeled. I would think that the recovery technique requires some practice to perfect and I don't want to practice. Racers probably need this but I don't need to ride that close.

When I ride alone I prefer to be by myself.

Back when I was racing, a "sandbagger" referred to anyone riding down a category, like a Cat 2 riding in Cat 3 races. It's less obvious in the Masters categories, as they tend to be more age-based. So you get Cat 2 Masters riders (often in their 30's) in the same race as the Cat 3 and 4 Masters (40's and 50's). The result is that the Masters races can often be faster than the Cat 3 races. At criteriums, you'd get Masters riding in two races - their category, and their age group. Maybe even three races, with the Cat 2 40+ masters riding in the 30+ races as well.

I guess I do some subtle sandbagging when I ride my fixed gear bike in century rides. But then I consider my age and the steel fixie to be more like handicaps, riding with younger guys with their expensive carbon fiber pro race bikes. The age and the fixed gear helps justify my wheelsucking, and the energy saved helps me get up the climbs with the faster guys. It's actually tougher to show up with a pro-level race bike, because then you have to justify it...

Luis

Everybody has something to prove, right? It is frustrating to run across those goofs who try to make themselves look good by downplaying their condition or ability. Golfers are notorious for padding their handicaps to get into an easier flight, but hell, what do you win? I just ride and enjoy it.

Marc

I thought that was against the law or something.

Technically, you want to steer into the contact and lean away. The reason most people go down when touching a front wheel is they steer away from contact which causes the bike to lean into contact. Once your center of gravity moves towards the contact and your bike is leaning there is no way to correct without turning your wheel. The problem is someone else's rear wheel prevents your wheel from turning so you end up going down.

If you steer into the contact and keep pressure on the wheel it's easy to move your CG away from the contact and the bike will naturally turn away.

I try to sandbag whenever I can, telling people I'm old, fat, on heart medication and such. Unfortunately it's all true although on a slow recreational ride with friends I can occasionally win a race or two if nobody else knows they are racing against me.... I am often able to win races against old women and children on multi use paths when they don't know they are racing me.... They may wonder why both my hands go up in the air as I pass them and I yell, "...and the crowd goes wild!!!" but I just smile inside as I scream past them at a steady 14mph...

They need sandbaggers and sand bags in Fargo ND, right now , the Red River is out of its banks again..

a sign of spring Floods and Tornados.

I was accused of being a sandbagger just last month. A contract client had us out for a round of golf in the Bahamas. After telling him I hadn't swung a club in ten years, I spent 30 minutes on the practice range, then birdied the first hole. Yes, I got that stare down reserved for sandbaggers. I really hadn't played in 10 years. I just forgot to tell him about growing up working on a golf course with free lessons and captaining my college golf team. :p

This was my reaction, too. Who cares? Why is this even an issue?

Dudelsack - those videos are priceless.

I confess that I'm a sandbagger, but it's not done to psyche out others - it's because I have low expectations. Many many rides I tell myself that I'm not really up to stay with the fast group - my recent training hasn't been that diligent, or my legs are rubbery because of yesterday's ride, or I have health issues. Or I'm looking at the other riders and remembering when some of them left me in the dust.

And so I begin the ride with some trepidation, fearing that I'm going to get dropped or telling myself that I should avoid being near the front so that when the fast group takes off, I can just let them go.

But then the ride begins and quite frequently, the adrenaline kicks in and I end up riding hard and maybe even at the front. I didn't mean to mislead, it's just that I surprised myself.