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Old 06-30-13, 12:39 PM
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Result against Dangerous driver.

Friday and a member of my bike club was out with another rider and an idiot in a car decided to try and kill them. He hit one of the riders on the back wheel and then ran into the bike. The other rider stopped and found the the car aimed at him and he had to take evasive action to save the bike and himself. Not the normal thing you want to have happen on a bike ride and it was reported to the police.

Today on Facebook this was posted.

'Road Rage' update. I understand that the 'gentleman' who rammed me on Friday afternoon has had his vehicle siezed and is spending his Sunday in the cells under arrest for dangerous driving. He may think twice before trying the same stunt again. Thankyou Polegate Traffic.

Surprising what the Police can do when they have Video proof from a Go-Pro.
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Old 06-30-13, 12:58 PM
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I've long been a strong proponent of permanently confiscating vehicles from intoxicated drivers, cell phones from texting drivers, and permanent vehicle seizure in road rage incidents.

I'm thrilled to see some municipalities actually doing just that.
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Originally Posted by stapfam View Post

'Road Rage' update. I understand that the 'gentleman' who rammed me on Friday afternoon has had his vehicle siezed and is spending his Sunday in the cells under arrest for dangerous driving. He may think twice before trying the same stunt again. Thankyou Polegate Traffic.

Surprising what the Police can do when they have Video proof from a Go-Pro.
I think video recording is going to become quite common on bikes, likely more common than mirrors. Stories like this one move us past the, "Why were you recording your ride? Were you looking for/causing trouble?"
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I am glad to hear the driver was caught Stapfam. But I also see this as an opportunity....to get a Go-Pro.
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Old 06-30-13, 02:26 PM
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Thank you for telling us about this incident, stapfam. I hope this dangerous driver spends a long time in jail.
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Old 06-30-13, 02:39 PM
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There have been several occasions when I wish I had the Video camera with me. Mainly because I think that I am a considerate rider and respect ALL other road users. But it is not only dangerous incidents like this that the driver has to be reported. Verbal abuse coming from drivers is getting commonplace over here and the Police are looking to prosecute- if only to keep their quota's up. Video evidence cannot be disputed as several highly publicised incidents in the UK have proved.

But this is only the first stage of getting retribution against an idiot. There are plenty of pitfalls that can occur before any prosecution can be made but Video evidence cannot be disputed.

I do have a Go-Pro but battery life is the limiting factor. It only lasts about 2 1/2 hours before running out even if it is not filming but is switched on ready to video so I make a point of switching it off for a spell on the more quiet roads. I also have a spare battery for the longer rides so I can switch over when the first stops working.
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FIRST, glad the bike people are alive and healthy!

SECOND-what a shame that things have come to this.
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Old 06-30-13, 04:32 PM
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I'd be interested to know what the mechanics are of submitting GoPro evidence. Do you take the camera up to the police station and trust them to pull it off their own computers?
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Dangerous driving?!? That sounds like attempted murder or ADW at least.

Glad everyone is OK!
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So, if you have one camera, do you point it forward or aft???
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Good to hear they got the guy and it's better to hear that the riders are ok.
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You know I've always assumed that auto drivers who think they own all of the road was more of a stateside thing but I guess it happens in England as well. Fortunately it doesn't happen too often but it sure gets my blood boiling to want to do foolish stuff when it does happen.....The camera is a much better idea.
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Asshat in a cage. He should be facing assault charges, not reckless op.
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Old 07-01-13, 12:53 AM
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I'd be interested to know what the mechanics are of submitting GoPro evidence. Do you take the camera up to the police station and trust them to pull it off their own computers?
You cannot view direct from a Go-Pro and I think the Cyclist concerned had a chat with a couple of policemen in the club on how to report the incident. There is a right way and a wrong way. Right way and it has to be investigated. Wrong way and evidence can be dismissed as it was not taken and reported correctly. In this case the incident has been "Broadcast" within the club and the members who are police will not let this one go.

And Various charges can be made. Reckless driving is just a misdemeanour over here but it is a start. The video has not yet been released as it is still evidence that has to be proved and action taken on. To a certain group of individuals over here and a criminal record for assault etc. is a badge of honour. Taking their car and licence away is major to them. Not that it would bother them as they will still drive while suspended.
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Dangerous driving?!? That sounds like attempted murder or ADW at least.

Glad everyone is OK!
This.

Come after someone in a vehicle and it should be automatic charge of attempted murder.
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Originally Posted by stapfam View Post
You cannot view direct from a Go-Pro and I think the Cyclist concerned had a chat with a couple of policemen in the club on how to report the incident. There is a right way and a wrong way. Right way and it has to be investigated. Wrong way and evidence can be dismissed as it was not taken and reported correctly. In this case the incident has been "Broadcast" within the club and the members who are police will not let this one go.
Did he know they were cops when he was talking to them ?
If he did he's obviously a genius.

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Glad to hear reports like this.
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Did he know they were cops when he was talking to them ?
If he did he's obviously a genius.
It was the cyclist that was the target talking to club mates that were policemen, not the reckless and deadly driver. Hos relating the circumstances got them to folow through with an official action,I believe.

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It is worry-some enough that some drivers are careless and are a mortal danger to cyclists. Then there are sick people who would deliberately run us down. There is no simple answer to this.
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It was the cyclist that was the target talking to club mates that were policemen, not the reckless and deadly driver. Hos relating the circumstances got them to folow through with an official action,I believe.

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Bill got it right.

The policemen in the club advised the rider how to report the incident and where. Just file a report at the local police station and it will get lost or will not be processed correctly or the Police will come back at you and advise you that Video Evidence taken without the culprit not knowing he was being filmed is a breach of his rights so no further action will be taken. Too many police do not understand the Law and nothing will be done.
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Originally Posted by stapfam View Post
Bill got it right.

The policemen in the club advised the rider how to report the incident and where. Just file a report at the local police station and it will get lost or will not be processed correctly or the Police will come back at you and advise you that Video Evidence taken without the culprit not knowing he was being filmed is a breach of his rights so no further action will be taken. Too many police do not understand the Law and nothing will be done.
While realizing that procedures and requirements differ across jurisdictions, (and countries in this case), what is the "right way" to report an incident, at least where you live? That is, if you can you say.
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While realizing that procedures and requirements differ across jurisdictions, (and countries in this case), what is the "right way" to report an incident, at least where you live? That is, if you can you say.
Depends on the officer involved. Reports like this can be a lot of paperwork so it doesn't get far down the line before it gets "Lost". Locally we have a Traffic unit that I did not know existed. Report direct to them and action is taken- providing it involves vehicles. Report to a local Police Station and it can take some while to get through to the Traffic Unit. By Having a "Friendly" policeman in the cycling club (Or two actually) they put the report on the right track from the word go.

There is enough "Interest" in this matter now that if it does not get a "Result"-Then it will be known that there is something wrong with our Police Service.
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Originally Posted by qcpmsame View Post
It was the cyclist that was the target talking to club mates that were policemen, not the reckless and deadly driver. Hos relating the circumstances got them to folow through with an official action,I believe.

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I see. "The cyclist concerned".....duh. I plead exhaustion after my ride yesterday.
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Originally Posted by stapfam View Post
Bill got it right.

. . . or the Police will come back at you and advise you that Video Evidence taken without the culprit not knowing he was being filmed is a breach of his rights so no further action will be taken. Too many police do not understand the Law and nothing will be done.

In public places such as roads one can take any pictures or videos without any consent or release forms--otherwise there would not be many news papers or 6 o'clock TV news!

In public places there is no privacy! And in the US like most everywhere else one can take pictures from a public area into a private one--Otherwise paparazzi would not have much of a business!
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In public places such as roads one can take any pictures or videos without any consent or release forms--otherwise there would not be many news papers or 6 o'clock TV news!

In public places there is no privacy! And in the US like most everywhere else one can take pictures from a public area into a private one--Otherwise paparazzi would not have much of a business!
It's not quite as crystal clear as that. There are circumstances in which a the taking of a photo or video in public can be actionable. And some states have passed laws against Paparazzi behavior, which, so far, have survived appeals.

I have heard of DAs using such laws to threaten citizens who obtained video records of police abusing their authority. Bad enough there are rogue police, but rogue DAs trying to suppress evidence against them? Despicable, really.

Here's a decent summary of the subject under California law:

https://articles.ehlinelaw.com/filmin...-legal-or-not/
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