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Old 09-22-13, 05:53 AM
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[QUOTE=Mobile 155;16090891]
Originally Posted by dbg


He stated what his options were in the very first post. Get his full refund on his Aluminum bike he already has been riding successfully for 700 miles for a upgrade to a CF bike with better shifters from the same manufacturer. A or B.

Just so you know, I have no trouble with expansion joints with 700x23 or 700x25 tires. I also know the difference between a racing tire and a training tire and a commuting tire in 700cx23 and 25. You are the one that can't handel expansion joints and are talking about an option not on the table. And I quoted you saying you would give up riding rather than RIDE a 3 hour ride with expansion joints, the subject of your first tirade, so I didn't misstate. A MTB is no more out in left field than your whole first post.

He said he can pick from door A or Door B not door C-D-E or F. Simply go back and read what his options are. Then tell me how helpful your complaint about the road bike he rides and the one he might get is relevant. Have you ever tried a Roubaix on expansion joints? If not how would you know? You have a right to your opinion, You solution has drawbacks as well. But the biggest is it completely disregards the conditions the OP made in is post. I am surprised you didn't say get a suspension seat post as well. Ok maybe that was extreme but it is that same principal. If he has the same phobia of expansion joints as you maybe Dudlesack will let him try his bent? They are supposed to be amazing on expansion joints. I wouldn't suggest that you get 23s if you ride 38s on a hybrid or had a fat slick on a low rider and I don't understand why you would try to add conditions between his LBS and the OP.
He didn't say to get something different. He said that OP should only make the trade if the Roubaix would fit 25 or 28 mm tires (and it does). What's so hard to understand about that? He just suggested that, if the bike would only fit 23's, it wasn't the best trade. That's a completely understandable suggestion and something OP might have asked the LBS before making the trade in. Would have taken 10 seconds to verify and then he'd have been on his way. I don't see why you're getting all bent out of shape about it and thinking he's telling OP to try getting a hybrid or mtb instead. That's not what he's saying at all. Just suggesting he make sure it's versatile in what tires it accepts.
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I would point out only this: that with the number of variables involved, it is going to be very difficult to evaluate the two bikes. You might 'feel' one is better than the other, but even if you test drive them both over the exact same route under the exact same conditions, it will be hard for you to pinpoint why. There are likely differences other than the material. How, for example, do the wheels on the two bikes differ?

Maybe a scientific type trial doesn't matter to you: maybe you won't feel satisfied unless you try the carbon bike, and not just on a test run.

On the other hand: I never did, nor do I plan to do, bike racing, but I was a competitive swimmer, and my main satisfaction came from the improvements in time I got from improving my technique and my overall endurance and fitness, not from changing swimwear (although that was a factor.) Keeping my own weight down was important, and challenging. So there were days when I was 'ahead of the pack' and not happy, and other days when I was behind, but still satisfied.

There's nothing wrong with falling in love with gadgets. Some of my best friends are gadget lovers : - ) But just know that there's a lot to be said with not distracting yourself with the latest or best ride, versus fine-tuning your own performance as a rider, given the person you are, beta blockers and all.

As for cost and budget, there are other things to spend your bike budget on, including travel to different places to bike; maintenance; fine tuning the bike you've got, etc. etc .

I hope you enjoy reconciling your dilemma whatever you decide.
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Old 09-22-13, 08:29 AM
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Back on topic rather than reading the little tiff...

If the components are as good or better, better by my understanding, and the extra funds are not an issue, Go For It! Getting full new retail value on a bike you've ridden 700 miles is a great offer.
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Old 09-22-13, 02:39 PM
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Everyone seems to think getting full price for your bike is a great deal. Would you be paying full price for the Roubaix? Assuming you are given credit for your used bike and then pay full price. The dealer resales you bike for a 10% discount for being used. I'm sure he'd rather take a 10% discount on a lower price bike.

Could you resale your bike, and then have the dealer take a discount off the
Roubaix and come out ahead?

Just thinking outside the box.

I'll go ride now.

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Old 09-22-13, 03:18 PM
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You are making the mistaken assumption that carbon is an upgrade. It is just a different material.

the weight of your bike is not what is causing you to fall off the back.
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Casjr, good reply to Nightshade (appropriate name). I recall the old Italian racer who carried his water bottles in his jersey so his bike would weigh less. Even though we know it's all perception and hoo-haw, a more "serious" bike with up-gunned components just might make you perceive yourself more "seriously" and so ride with a more kiss-my-a** attitude....which, sure I know it's immature, helps to keep you with the group when you're wishing for a third lung. Any normal 30 year old can ride like an animal....personally, I admire far more anyone who pushes against beta blockers, chronic injuries, age decay, and any other inhibition. That's what 50 Plus cycling is often all about. A lighter bike with better wheels might give you a little more snap in group accelerations.... not to mention the nifty new paint!

Personally I ride steel and like the way it goes "twang" instead of "klunk"... but I celebrate diversity!

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Old 09-22-13, 03:59 PM
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[QUOTE=himespau;16091622]
Originally Posted by Mobile 155
He didn't say to get something different. He said that OP should only make the trade if the Roubaix would fit 25 or 28 mm tires (and it does). What's so hard to understand about that? He just suggested that, if the bike would only fit 23's, it wasn't the best trade. That's a completely understandable suggestion and something OP might have asked the LBS before making the trade in. Would have taken 10 seconds to verify and then he'd have been on his way. I don't see why you're getting all bent out of shape about it and thinking he's telling OP to try getting a hybrid or mtb instead. That's not what he's saying at all. Just suggesting he make sure it's versatile in what tires it accepts.
Both bikes come with 700x25s stock but the Roubaix has better wheels. https://www.specialized.com/us/en/bikes/road/allez/allez-elite#specs


https://www.specialized.com/us/en/bikes/road/roubaix/roubaix-sl4-elite-105-#specs

The Roubaix has zerts that are designed to smooth out rides that he hopes to never have to endure again. So if it doesn't take a 28s or a 32s what choice would the OP have? It was a very simply question, pass or don't pass A or B. The Allez is even listed as the more aggressive of the two. Then again the OP could keep the Allez and buy a Venge. That wasn't what the OP asked however. It is just so often someone comes here after getting a decision down to A or B and the advice tossed at them takes them back to the whole alphabet again because someone doesn't like the choices.

The OP didn't say he was having a problem with bad roads or discomfort from the style of bike he was riding. Other than the inability to keep up with the group he was riding with he simply stated he had been offered a full refund on his Allez towards a Roubiax Elite. He didn't ask about expansion joints and the torture of that experience making him want to give up riding.


I am not bent out of shape, it is a internet forum not real life nothing worth getting bent out of shape over. I just question the relevance of a post about how hard it was for someone to ride 3 hours on a road with expansion joints.
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Cabon is an upgrade if it makes the bike more responsive and not as jarring during the ride. The difference in weight won't make that much a difference in speed, but in comfort, the carbon will be an improvement. I would've gone carbon, but the carbon bikes at the price point of my Defy 1 had lesser components.
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Ask your dealer if you can borrow the bike for a couple days, if he lets you ride your normal route at least a few times. If you feel it is better then make your decision, only you can decide.
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This an N neutral question which leaves me confused. OP will have to figure this out without me.
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Old 09-25-13, 09:38 PM
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No brainer .... go for the carbon bike, especially if the LBS is willing to let you trade-up with no real penalty. You may or may not notice the weight difference, but you'll be on a significantly better bike.
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Old 09-26-13, 06:55 AM
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Better bike?? I still question the long term reliability of carbon bikes. They are just way to fragile it seems to me.
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