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Originally Posted by John E
(Post 16136975)
They need to restrict the test questions to safety-related issues of traffic control and flow, such as yielding right-of-way. Without advance study, I am not confident I can answer questions regarding penalties for various infractions, or number of violation points for license suspension, or how long I can park at a green curb, or minimum liability insurance requirements (which are archaically set at something like $5K/15K/35K in California, versus the $100K/1M/1M + umbrella I carry). Then let's raise the bar to 85%.
If a school bus is stopped, with it's flashing lights on, what do you do? At a 4 way stop, who proceeds first? How close should you pass by a bicycle. Can you park in a bicycle lane? If an emergency services vehicle comes up from behind, what should you do? If an emergency services vehicle is stopped on the side of the road, how should you proceed? If a traffic light is not functioning, how do you proceed? The actual answers depend on local laws, but if you don't get ALL of these right, you should not be driving. |
Originally Posted by Rootman
(Post 16135119)
Boy ain't that the truth, seems that a good majority of drivers don't know how to use electric turn indicators either. I mean for cripes sake all you have to do is flick your wrist up or down on a lever. Why the hell drivers can't share their intentions with everyone around them is beyond me. On my bike I find myself making hand signals when I am pretty sure no one else is around, just in case theres that ONE car, motorcycle or bike that somehow escapes my senses.
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I think that aiming your left hand down would signal "I'm stopping", which could be problematic if the motorist decides to go around you and turn right. After all, you indicated a stop. Perhaps signal a left turn and go straight? It might tick them off but I'll bet the WTF is he doing will make them hesitate to hook you.
For what it's worth, some cyclists just point where they're going and they say it works. The only downside (this is second hand) is when you point left to signal and the motorist thinks you're telling him to go around you on the left. It might work pointing forwards though, at just enough angle for the car behind to see it. (?) |
Originally Posted by wphamilton
(Post 16137405)
I think that aiming your left hand down would signal "I'm stopping", which could be problematic if the motorist decides to go around you and turn right. After all, you indicated a stop. Perhaps signal a left turn and go straight? It might tick them off but I'll bet the WTF is he doing will make them hesitate to hook you.
For what it's worth, some cyclists just point where they're going and they say it works. The only downside (this is second hand) is when you point left to signal and the motorist thinks you're telling him to go around you on the left. It might work pointing forwards though, at just enough angle for the car behind to see it. (?) |
Left hand pointing with index finger is not the same, I think as a stopping signal which would be indicated with an open palm. Anyway, that's what I do and I do it not exactly hugging the right shoulder but slightly in the through lane. Only an idiot or someone who just does not care could mistake my intention. Anyway, it has worked for me where I ride. Can't say what might be the case elsewhere.
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Originally Posted by Sculptor7
(Post 16135238)
... If I am in the "bike lane" (1 or 2 feet wide) what happens when I have to swerve to avoid an obstruction?
I don't think I've ever seen a marked bike lane that's only 1-2 feet wide. |
Originally Posted by TromboneAl
(Post 16134693)
I'm not sure people will interpret pointing to the ground as meaning "I'm going straight."
I haven't thought of a good hand signal for "I'm going straight." I need this for when I'm on the highway, and I'm going by an exit without taking it. I'd use the left hand in a tomahawk gesture, but there's no guarantee that a driver will know what that means. I take the red path rather than the blue, but I always watch the cars behind me with my mirror. http://i.imgur.com/OYxDPUY.jpg |
Originally Posted by BlazingPedals
(Post 16139935)
If you can go around the obstruction without leaving your lane, then it's no problem. Just like a car, if you want to change lanes, you first have to yield to the cars that are already there. And if there's no opening, you wait.
I don't think I've ever seen a marked bike lane that's only 1-2 feet wide. |
I find this situation particularly problematic on highway overpasses where traffic in my lane will be exiting right to get onto a highway. I am inclined as well to use a hand signal but it is important to know what you are dealing with with a mirror or a glance back.
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M1 Abrams Battle Tank. maybe one with a water cannon on top..
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The problem is, when you start making up your own rules, nobody else knows what you've made up. If I were in a car, seeing a cyclist pointing to the road would NOT tell me they were going straight. Maybe they want me to put my bumper *right there.* I hope you understand the necessity of yielding to existing traffic before changing lanes - no matter what obstacles are in front of you. Popping out in front of a semi could have adverse consequences, no matter how much glass is on the shoulder.
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Originally Posted by BlazingPedals
(Post 16141508)
The problem is, when you start making up your own rules, nobody else knows what you've made up. If I were in a car, seeing a cyclist pointing to the road would NOT tell me they were going straight. Maybe they want me to put my bumper *right there.* I hope you understand the necessity of yielding to existing traffic before changing lanes - no matter what obstacles are in front of you. Popping out in front of a semi could have adverse consequences, no matter how much glass is on the shoulder.
Also, the three feet rule for motorists passing cyclists helps avoid the sometimes erratic path of a cyclist going up a hill or avoiding a minor obstruction not visible till the last minute. |
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