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Old 02-24-14, 11:51 PM
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Is N+1 a religion or a cult?

Just thought I'd ask.
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Old 02-25-14, 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by skilsaw View Post
Just thought I'd ask.
Both!
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Neither. It's a law of nature or at the very least, an accurate description of reality. You might as well ask whether f=ma is a religion or a cult.
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Old 02-25-14, 04:37 AM
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A precise mathematical expression of a law of nature, like gravity or relativity.

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Old 02-25-14, 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by skilsaw View Post
Just thought I'd ask.
Yes.

it is good for N = 1
it is good for N + 1
therefore it is good for all N
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Originally Posted by irwin7638 View Post
A precise mathematical expression of a law of nature, like gravity or relativity.

Marc

Yeah,exactly what he just said
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Old 02-25-14, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by skilsaw View Post
Just thought I'd ask.
Neither - it is an affliction with no known cure. Whether it is finding the whole 'N' to '+1' to your collection of 'Ns', or fractions of 'N' (aka parts), you will never be fully cured of the N+1 desire.
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Old 02-25-14, 08:40 AM
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It is a sub-culture.
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Old 02-25-14, 09:07 AM
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It's a myth that allows us to indulge our passion with less guilt, creating a sense that we are normal people (of course nothing could be further from the truth). The myth is bolstered by an industry that continues to create products we don’t really need but are so attractive that we are unable to resist the temptations they are. (That is a killer looking bike.) This myth is compounded by two secondary myths typically employed to diminish any residual guilt that may linger. That is the myth that we are doing something important by “stimulating the economy” (which may have an element of truth, but is much too complex for us to really know, and even if we did, is not the REAL reason for our acquisitions) and the myth that we are “helping the environment.” (This could be true, but once again we don't really know and it likely can't be applied universally.)
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Ahem...sorry.

Merriam Webster, see definition #2 :
[h=2]IDOLATRY (n)[/h]1 : the worship of a physical object as a god

2 : immoderate attachment or devotion to something
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I think it was started by divorce lawyers.
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Neither...it's a philosophy of a way of life.
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N+1=Utopia
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Not a religion. Not a cult. Not a myth. Most definitely not an affliction. It just is is all.
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Old 02-25-14, 08:27 PM
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It is a rule! Rule number 12 to be exact.

Rule #12 The correct number of bikes to own is n+1.

While the minimum number of bikes one should own is
three, the correct number is n+1, where n is the number of bikes currently owned. This equation may also be re-written as s-1, where s is the number of bikes owned that would result in separation from your partner.

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"N+1" is a precise mathematical representation of a truth universally acknowledged by cyclists (as Dave Cutter points out, it is present in our Rules): want (i.e. desire) trumps need.

The Rule applies in other areas of life, of course. For example, one might suggest that in the world of male philandering the necessary number of mistresses is: N+1. Further, in that world just as in the world of cycling the ongoing application of the Rule will eventually entail the application of the sub-rule "N-1", according as to changes of circumstance including, but not limited to, restrictions on available space and/or funds, and ability.

Once the sub-rule is applied, then of course it may be that N+1 becomes applicable once more: space becomes available once again, funds are freed up, abilities restored through various means.
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N+1 is very strange. I'm not sure what it is. Sometimes bikes seem to show up on their own. Sometimes an old frameset starts growning components. Amazing, yes, and strange, but not in a bad way.

Mysterious, that is all.

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N+1 is the perfect number, similar to Pi.
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Its C D O, man, get it right! If you have the affliction show your pride and use the correct order

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It is an addiction. I have four bikes for three riders already and catch myself looking at Craigslist twice a day.
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It is an addiction. I have four bikes for three riders already and catch myself looking at Craigslist twice a day.
That's because you have not yet achieved the minimum number of bikes owned as demonstrated by the number N (see reference to Rule 12 above) You are operating at a severe N-deficit (otherwise known as Low-N) right now, and you must acquire more.
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That's because you have not yet achieved the minimum number of bikes owned...
And furthermore, even though this may be the 50+ forum (C&V w.r.t. the rider ), had you been participating in the C&V forum you would already know this.

Bike frames follow me home. Every time I find one interesting frame another shows up on my doorstep unannounced and unexpected and often free. I no longer ask if I can keep it. The bikes know better than I do. That is why they come.
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