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Here is the GPS data for this ride, in case anyone is thinking about riding it next year.
Cyclemeter - Cycle - Jun 7, 2014, 7:07 AM |
Cyclemeter - Cycle - Jun 7, 2014, 7:07 AM
GPS data for the Pioneer century. Edit: oops, double post. My "lessons learned" are - We wasted a lot of energy. Every point in the GPS trace where we were riding over 18 mph and not on a downhill, is wasted energy. - We stopped too much in the last part. Some of that is stoplights, as the 45 mile loop is a bit suburban in spots, and there were stops to repair my flat, my buddy had a shoe problem, and there were pee breaks. But they added up. - Both riders need a cycle computer. My buddy had one but I didn't, so when I was leading, our speed usually crept up to the energy-wasting range. - [edit] We didn't eat or drink enough. My Cyclemeter app estimates I burned 5500 calories, and I only ate about 1000 during the ride. |
Youda!
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Good job.
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Originally Posted by jyl
(Post 16832100)
My "lessons learned" are
- We wasted a lot of energy. Every point in the GPS trace where we were riding over 18 mph and not on a downhill, is wasted energy. |
Well, I just now saw this thread, so should I jump in late and say what you should have done? :roflmao2:
Anyway, well done. On the stops, you should stop exactly as often as you need to, as long as you need to. If you're not winning valuable prizes for coming in first, no point in killing yourself to keep moving. Ditto for the speed. I ride lots of miles, but normally not over 16 mph rolling average, and that's if everything is working just right. Going fast can be fun, too, but no reason to feel obligated to do so. |
Took a sanity day off from work Wednesday and did a century.
i'm way slower then probably everybody. Get off the saddle frequently, and sometimes just lift your weigh off the saddle. Letting hood and airflow in there does wonders... Good fortune! |
Originally Posted by gregf83
(Post 16832259)
I'm curious why you consider riding above 18mph 'wasted' energy? You could consider the whole ride 'wasted' since you probably rode in a loop and didn't go anywhere :)
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Originally Posted by jyl
(Post 16832393)
Because the power required rises much faster than the resulting speed increases. Looking at a bike power calculator, 19 mph requires over 30% more power than 17 mph, but is only 11% faster.
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Originally Posted by jyl
(Post 16832073)
Here is the GPS data for this ride, in case anyone is thinking about riding it next year.
Cyclemeter - Cycle - Jun 7, 2014, 7:07 AM |
Originally Posted by jyl
(Post 16832100)
Cyclemeter - Cycle - Jun 7, 2014, 7:07 AM
GPS data for the Pioneer century. Edit: oops, double post. My "lessons learned" are - We wasted a lot of energy. Every point in the GPS trace where we were riding over 18 mph and not on a downhill, is wasted energy. - We stopped too much in the last part. Some of that is stoplights, as the 45 mile loop is a bit suburban in spots, and there were stops to repair my flat, my buddy had a shoe problem, and there were pee breaks. But they added up. - Both riders need a cycle computer. My buddy had one but I didn't, so when I was leading, our speed usually crept up to the energy-wasting range. - [edit] We didn't eat or drink enough. My Cyclemeter app estimates I burned 5500 calories, and I only ate about 1000 during the ride. And yep....you know that it's about saving it when you don't need it and using it when you do. But 17 mph through a century on low preparation is nothing to frown on for sure. |
Originally Posted by jyl
(Post 16832393)
Because the power required rises much faster than the resulting speed increases. Looking at a bike power calculator, 19 mph requires over 30% more power than 17 mph, but is only 11% faster.
Congrats on a great ride! And that's why I train in the drops. Prior to an endurance ride I raise the bars an inch and set them back down for speed training. As for pace (at this point) I keep an eye on the mph keeping it in the 15.5-16.0mph range when on the flats. How did you feel the next couple of days? |
Originally Posted by Gerryattrick
(Post 16816330)
If your butt can do it the rest of you can.
My body type favors speed/power quite naturally (not to mention my personality). All the decades of powerlifting seem to gang up on me in the upperbody aches due to static position. |
Originally Posted by OldsCOOL
(Post 16841037)
Congrats on a great ride!
And that's why I train in the drops. Prior to an endurance ride I raise the bars an inch and set them back down for speed training. As for pace (at this point) I keep an eye on the mph keeping it in the 15.5-16.0mph range when on the flats. How did you feel the next couple of days? As for how I felt . . . we've been burning the candle at both ends and the middle. My daughter is turning 18, graduating high school and getting ready to fly off to her summer job, my son is graduating middle school and getting ready to go on a class trip to Costa Rica. Friday before the ride we took my daughter and her friends out to dinner, we were out until 11 pm or so. I got 5 hours sleep before the ride. Saturday after the ride we went to a dance performance at a company my son may train with next year, then my daughter had a dozen friends over for a loud teen party/sleepover while I tried to sleep w/ earplugs. Sunday we fed the kids breakfast, cleaned up, and then had 30 people over for an afternoon cookout. Meanwhile we're getting the daughter ready for graduation, packing her and the son up for their trips. Last night we went to the HS graduation, a four hour (!) thing. Tomorrow we have 40-50 middle school kids at our house for an end-of-year party (and it is supposed to rain, so we'll all be stuck indoors!). Saturday one of the kids flies off, Sunday the other one goes. Plus I start work at 5:30 am, so late weeknights are killers. So, I am fried, but the ride was only part of it! I am going to have the world's best nap on this coming Sunday afternoon. Until then I am just hanging on. On bar height - on the commute bike I brought, the bar tops are level with the saddle so it is an un-challenging position and I can ride in the drops for hours. On my other road bikes, the bar tops are a few inches below the saddle, so the hoods are equivalent to the commute bike's drops and the drops are lower. I have ridden those other bikes up to 45 miles, but not 100 miles. I will bring one of those on the next century to see if my back/neck can take it. |
A glutton for punishment no doubt :p Congrats on the accomplishment, a flat century for me would be a coastal run up to San Onofre and back, I may have to give it a go this summer...
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while I know there are going to be critics and naysayers, I found so far that the product sportlegs definitely seemed to help me on several longer rides (century and 100k+ rides) My legs felt stronger throughout the ride and felt better afterwards in recovery
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Originally Posted by jyl
(Post 16841253)
On bar height - on the commute bike I brought, the bar tops are level with the saddle so it is an un-challenging position and I can ride in the drops for hours. On my other road bikes, the bar tops are a few inches below the saddle, so the hoods are equivalent to the commute bike's drops and the drops are lower. I have ridden those other bikes up to 45 miles, but not 100 miles. I will bring one of those on the next century to see if my back/neck can take it.
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I'm okay in the drops with a moderate saddle-to-bar drop, for awhile - like 1/2 hour - but am not sure my neck will tolerate hours and hours in that position. My next helmet will be a road type, with no visor, which might help. If I keep my hips rotated forward and my back flatter, it also helps a bit.
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I think I appreciate the added leg power on the drops more so than aerodynamic advantage. I've never used a speedometer though so it would be interesting just to compare the difference of an inch and a half or so in bar height using the drops.
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You inspired me to haul off and plan for the Six Gaps Century this September - maybe - but I'm coming off of 5 years of sedentary living :( not sure if I'll do the Century, the half, or the Valley ride. I have the summer to train, its a horrifying 11,000 feet for the Six Gap Century, Three Gap 50 is over 6,000, and the Valley 35 is 2,900 feet. As soon as I'm up to it the next couple of weeks I'm off to Neels Gap to see the insanity of it...
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Originally Posted by Zinger
(Post 16846439)
I think I appreciate the added leg power on the drops more so than aerodynamic advantage. I've never used a speedometer though so it would be interesting just to compare the difference of an inch and a half or so in bar height using the drops.
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The effects of getting in the drops is immediately measureable especially if you have a ride computer. When in a stiff headwind and you find yourself doing the "small chainring boogie" hammering away on the hoods, drop down and immediarely there is a speed increase and pedal pressure lessens.
But then, we all know this. Getting in and staying in the drops is an acquired discipline and quite uncomfortable at first. Best time to train for this position is (for me) when the snowbanks are high and I'm drafting Jeff Gordon on the stretches of a superspeedway. :) |
Originally Posted by Zinger
(Post 16846439)
I think I appreciate the added leg power on the drops more so than aerodynamic advantage. I've never used a speedometer though so it would be interesting just to compare the difference of an inch and a half or so in bar height using the drops.
The gain for me, can easily be 1-2 mph difference. |
Originally Posted by GFish
(Post 16848739)
Get the computer. As already mentioned, the performance gain is easily measured.
The gain for me, can easily be 1-2 mph difference. And coming back off a decade layoff on low mileage I probably wouldn't have the strava accounts to brag on anyway. I can time my sanctioned centuries with a watch. I'm sticking to relatively flat ones for now and being a Texas boy I know what I used to do on those in my 30s......Plus I'm a lifetime incurable fanatic about cluttering up the bike with electronic gismos. I've never even bought a cadence meter......My Luddite creds would just be ruined :50: Plus you just told me what the advantage is for lower stem height....So thanks :) |
Originally Posted by OldsCOOL
(Post 16847565)
The effects of getting in the drops is immediately measureable especially if you have a ride computer. When in a stiff headwind and you find yourself doing the "small chainring boogie" hammering away on the hoods, drop down and immediarely there is a speed increase and pedal pressure lessens.
But then, we all know this. Getting in and staying in the drops is an acquired discipline and quite uncomfortable at first. Best time to train for this position is (for me) when the snowbanks are high and I'm drafting Jeff Gordon on the stretches of a superspeedway. :) |
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