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Old 10-28-14, 02:30 PM
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Have tires gotten harder to put on or>>>>

How cow Batman, that last couple of inches it tough.

I saw a You Tube, where the guy says use no tools putting the tire back on.
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Sometimes a new tire is tough for me and I'll use a tire lever. Just have to be careful not to pinch the tube while doing it.
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After having had some real trouble getting a tire on my bike (using tools), I had the bike in the bike shop for a broken spoke. While talking with the mechanic, he (without even really paying attention) popped the tire off (no tools) and back on again. At that point, I stopped him and asked how he did it.

Not only did he show me the trick, but also shared a story about an angry customer who was chewing them out about selling him the wrong sized tires that broke tools trying to get on or off. The tech did the same thing he had showed me and had the tires on and off without tools in just a few seconds.
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Nope. It is tire brand/model specific. Some tires are very hard to get on. I don't buy those tires a second time. I can get almost every tire I use back on with just my fingers. You never ruin a brand new tube that way. I have read complaints about specific tires being a bear to put on a rim and others have chimed in with agreement. So, the moral is to choose your tires carefully.
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While it's true that new tires, esp. with Kevlar bead, can be more difficult to install without tools than those that have been on awhile . . . it really isn't all that difficult for the vast majority of tire / rim combinations.

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Car tires or Bicycle tires?
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Try mounting a motorcycle tire.
I've done two in the past month.
I'll never complain about mounting bicycle tires again.
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I'm new here but along with recently accepting that I must be prepared to deal with flats?...I've also been reviewing some of the latest "Puncture Resistant" tires available today and apparently?...that can play a big role as well in the difficulty levels of R&R'ing a tire.
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On the road. VAR tire tool .. I use 2 for narrow tight tires VAR Tyre Levers RP-42500 - 7.50

In the LBS I use those big Steel Tire tools Park made ..

most of the time assume a Sumo crouch, put the wheel in your lap, and then push the tire bead over the rim edge.

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I just put one on last night without tools ...twice. Didn't pay attention to the rotation mark the first time . Well, I used the end of a toothbrush handle to remove the old tire just at first, but that was it. These were 28s, though.
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Got a pair of Armadillos years ago, and struggled mightily to get them on the rim. After about 45 minutes, it finally dawned on me that if I had that much trouble getting the on, I didn't want them.

I can get the tires on w/o levers about 1/2 of the time. The other 1/2 of the time, I'm just careful to not pinch the tube.

One trick (at home) is to use soapy water. Once you get them on, and use them for a while, they are easier to get on and off.
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Mine was an Armadillo. I guess I was lucky. Or maybe 28s are that much easier than 25s (23s)? I used the toothbrush handle just briefly, but 95% of it was with my hands only.

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Use my hands until the final bit, if necessary I'll use a single tire tool, for mounting a tire, if its new I let it warm up in the sun. To remove a tire, I'll use a tire tool to do the initial pull, then it can be worked off fairly easy. If its really hard to mount I can add some dish washing detergent around the back of the bead so it slips over the rim easier. The detergent will dry out and actually help keep the tire in place.

I had to install tires on my dirt bikes for motocross and cross country racing, those can try your patience if you don't have the correct tire tools and strong hands. A brand new 18" or 19" rear knobby can make things interesting, especially the open class bikes I ride with their wider tires.

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I haven't used tools on a tire since I was a kid, except for once on a friend's Cane Creek wheel. Some wheels are really difficult with any tire. Most wheels are fairly easy with any tire. Tubeless or tubeless-ready wheels are harder.

You just have to know how.
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My wife can remount most tires without tools. Last week as we were ending a tour she had a flat tire as we pulled into the Amtrak station for our return home. We did not have time to fix it before boxing up the bikes. On our arrival at our destination she changed out the tube while I put the bikes back together (not a hard job with Amtrak boxes). We were in a hurry; the train was late, it looked like rain, and we would be running out of daylight on our 35 mile ride home from the station.

She used to demonstrate how to repair a tire during a bike maintenance course we taught. She could do it in 10 minutes, replacing the tire with no tools. Between the classes and commuting she has had a lot of practice. It is almost always technique, but there are some tires that are more difficult than others. It is a "pinch and pull" technique. There are videos on YouTube that demonstrate the technique. Most of the time the toe straps are not necessary.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XUFVrl0UT4#t=26

I put a new pair of tires on a friend's wheelchair yesterday, and it really stretched the limits of my technique

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Not all tire/rim combinations are the same. I think that Rhyno-lite rims, for example, are harder than most for mounting tires. Rims that have a deep center section are much easier to do.
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Originally Posted by SammyJ View Post
How cow Batman, that last couple of inches it tough.

I saw a You Tube, where the guy says use no tools putting the tire back on.
Depends on the wheel and the tire. I use folding Aramid bead tires. I have had combos where my fingers and thumbs get rubbed raw, and my current combo where I only need a tool to get it started - I probably could get by without a tool in a pinch.
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Picked up a new set of schwalbe snow tires last weekend.
Used many harsh words before they were mounted, plus broke a tire lever.
Last couple of tire swaps I've have seemed to be more of a challenge.
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Yes. It's not your imagination. Tire manufacturers started producing tires towards the smaller end of the agreed upon industry standard ranges. I assume it's for liability issues. Many wheels have moved towards the larger end as well. So it's tighter now compared to what it used to be.
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I think those that haven't noticed likely haven't changed wheels, are using older tires, and use tires with wider touring models where the trend hasn't happened.
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I change a LOT of tires working at the bike shop. Some tire/wheel combinations are tighter than others, but it is extremely rare that I need to use a tool to put a tire bead onto a rim. Once in a while on a tough one, I will work the tire most of the way on and then use the tool to unseat a section of the tire roughly equal to the part I had not completed. Then, by hand, I'll first mount the part not done before and then work on the rest. It seems to go on easier on that section that had been mounted before.
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I've been using the Dremefa Sport plastic levers for about 30 years. Never a problem. From time to time I will use just my hands but don't feel the need. I used to use Spesh armadillos in 700x23c on Mavic Open 4 rims which weren't too hard. Current Conti GP (24) and GP4000 (25) seem a bit more difficult to mount.

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Putting Michelin Pro 4 Service Courses on Pacenti SL23s a while back was an exercise in frustration. I think I may have even invented a few new expletives. So last week when I had a flat on my commuter I was already dreading getting the tire back on, but I was able to put it on without tools - of course those are mid-90s vintage Mavic Reflex rims (with Conti GP4000 tires).
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Michelin Krylion 23's gave me a tough time the first time. To make it easier I put them on without tubes to stretch them to fit. Then I pulled one bead to install the tube. No flats or worries.

Just put a fresh set of Vittoria Pro Slick III's on the Criterium with Vuelta wheels and was mildly surprised I could bare hand them on the first install.
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Wow, a lot of good information. Next time time I try the soap trick. I already have two spare tires the same as I'm currently running.

My wife has been very supporting of my cycling, but I'm not going to tell her I need to order a dozen tires to see which fits best! Ha Ha.
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