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Old 11-08-14, 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Wanderer View Post
We are willing to share our opinions.
I like my Selle Anatomica Titanico NSX Watershed. I also like my Brooks Pro, my two Persons No. 77 Deluxes and my Gyes GS17A tensioned leather saddles.

What can I say? I've got a Type O negative derriere.
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Old 11-08-14, 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Wanderer View Post
What better place to ask, than old farts? We are willing to share our opinions.

Currently, I ride Brooks B-17, regular, and love them.

However, I am always willing to try new things, and Selle's sale has me interested.

Considering a Selle Anatomica X or NSX, for my Sirrus. I'm leaning toward an X Watershed Graphite.

Of those who have had them, or both, which is recommended by us, and why? How do they compare to Brooks? Quality, Longevity, Customer Service?

Thanks for any help you care to share, as this hundred bucks is burning a hole in my shorts.............

Yes, I have searched out MANY threads, just looking for a fresh perspective.
If you searched threads you've probably seen my comment, so this isn't s fresh perspective. I consider the Anatomica the most uncomfortable saddle I've ever sat on, and I can use a fair number of saddles successfully: including Brooks, vintage, SMPs and tri saddles. My warning is make certain you can return it for a full refund if you have a similar experience.

I dealt directly with the business owners in San Diego. Terrific people, sad we won't be doing business in the future.
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Old 11-08-14, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Cyclosaurus View Post
I have both a B17 and a Selle Anatomica Truleather. The SA felt broken-in comfortable right away (compared to the B17).
I agree, the break in period is almost non-existent on the selle anatomical (i have the titanico), the B 17 does take longer to break in for sure. I have both and like them both. The Brooks is on a touring bike while the selle is on my Roubaix. Thinking about another selle this season as they have all their saddles on sale for $99 through Dec 31. They have run this sale every Christmas season for the last few years and it is a great time to buy.
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Old 11-08-14, 12:20 PM
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Wanderer...cool...and yes...I'm most likely suffering a misconception from what you explain but I'm also observing a trend here....one where some folks love their anatomica because it's "Comfy From Day One" and others who seem to be citing issues with "excessive stretching" yet?...

not so much at all with the brooks....which does seem to require a bit of "Break-in"....so if nothing else?...I just learned which one I'll be trying the day I spring for one!

Note Too Self: When I do get my super duper X-over touring bike?...a brooks will be soon to follow.

Thanks again, Bill.
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Old 11-24-14, 03:06 PM
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i tried to access Selle Anatomica for the last 2 weeks , and looks like it was down to me since then. Is anyone experiencing the same problem?
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Old 12-01-14, 06:12 AM
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Since my birthday is this week I thought I needed to celebrate by buying myself something. I resisted the N+1 urge and opted for another Selle Anatomica saddle. Ordered a black X watershed with copper rivets, you can't beat the price during the sale and I love the Titanico I already have so why not.
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Old 12-02-14, 12:35 AM
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I've put a couple hundred miles in the past month on a new Titanico X. Once I am finally 'settled' into the saddle (in the suggested slightly nose-up 'hammock' configuration) it is indeed quite a comfortable ride.

BUT . . . It usually takes a minimum of four 'sit downs' on the saddle to finally get the male 'package' properly situated (to put it delicately, I don't typically have 'large problem' to deal with.) Even with knowledge of the situation, about every other time mounting the saddle there is veritable "OUCH!" moment.

I really like the saddle once situated in a comfortable ride position . . . But I AM about over the effort it takes to find that comfortable riding position EVERY time I mount the bicycle (Specialized Secteur) -- An issue that I never experienced with a Selle SMP (too soft for +50 mi.) and the original Rival 143 OEM saddle (too hard after +60 mi.)
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Old 12-02-14, 04:44 AM
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I currently have a Selle Anatomica X, a B-17, a B-67 and Velo Orange Model 6 on different bikes. I honestly can't tell you I prefer one over the other. I did not experience any break in problems with any of them. The SA is on sale now. The cutout on the SA does provide some additional ventilation which is a relief on long hot days. I wouldn't replace a B-17 with an SA or vice versa, obviously the B-67 and Model 6 have different functions.

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Old 12-02-14, 08:40 PM
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I've had a Sella Anatomica on my fixed gear bike for lots of years . . . since 2006 approx. and it's very comfortable though I did tension it several times (easy to do). I met Tom Milton at the Davis Double Century years ago (he was easy to spot in his Sella Anatomica jersey); seemed like a great guy to me, very concerned about my opinion of the saddle he invented!

Recently, I guess from age, it has started to flare out at the sides which has caused some chafing on the inside of my upper legs. I contacted Sell Anatomica about the problem and they have offered to "lace" it for me; no charge except for shipping it to them and back. That's great customer service in my book (Thanks to Carol, Tom's sister, who has carried on with the company)!

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Old 12-03-14, 12:13 PM
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Good to know they are standing behind their product even after several years!
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Old 12-05-14, 11:37 AM
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my SA just bit me in the buttnot a good saddle for me to do 2x20 LT intervals on a trainer. better for a more relaxed position than aggressive performance position-for me YMMV
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Old 12-11-14, 11:46 AM
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Avoid the Watershed leather it stretches more than the Truleather and thus won't last as long, in about 4 to 5 years depending on your weight you will bottom out the spanner nut adjustment. The X series or the NSX are also the two best even for lighter riders because again the T series uses thinner leather and regardless if Truleather is used it too will stretch too much but not as fast as the Watershed. Also stay away from the white color because for some reason the dye used in the white allows the saddle to stretch too much.

But I believe that the Selle Anatomical saddle is a far better deal then the Brooks, I own a couple of Brooks, and love them but I got them before they took huge price increases over the last 8 or so years, if I was in the market today for a leather saddle I would get the Selle.
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Old 12-12-14, 12:44 PM
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See my recent post (#107) here. http://www.bikeforums.net/fifty-plus...l#post17360100

I'm still loving it. One thing I will say, at first there is a tendency to sit is the middle or 'hammock" part of the saddle. That is because most of us tend to ride with our saddles level. However, this and most leather saddles require that you ride with the nose up a bit. It looks dorky and like it may hurt, but it is very comfortable (at least to me) and it forces you back on the rear and flatter part of the saddle...not the "hammock".
I don't mean to be a shill for the company, but this saddle far, far exceeded my expectations.
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Note from post #34 above, Sella Anatomica had the saddle for two days and got it back to me neatly laced up and no more flare at the sides!

Tried it out on a 58 mile ride today and found it to be super-comfortable again. Thank you Sella Anatomica!

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Old 12-14-14, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Rick@OCRR View Post
Note from post #34 above, Sella Anatomica had the saddle for two days and got it back to me neatly laced up and no more flare at the sides!

Tried it out on a 58 mile ride today and found it to be super-comfortable again. Thank you Sella Anatomica!

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What kind of laces? Does it look OK? Wonder if it is the kind of think a shoe repair shop could do?
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My concern with Selle Anatomica saddle is that the clamp-able portion of the rails is fairly short and well forward on the saddle which promotes a lot of setback. I need the opposite and need to sit more forward (short Femurs) so even though it felt good it just would not work for me.
I found the Rivet while a bit harder than the SA is much easier to break in that a Brooks, available in 3 widths and in the middle widths a non-slotted "All-Roads" version... And much longer rails!
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Old 12-14-14, 01:33 PM
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What kind of laces? Does it look OK? Wonder if it is the kind of think a shoe repair shop could do?
I'm no expert on laces but the laces seem to have a nylon (or similar) base/center with a fabric wrap on the outside. The job is excellent and yes, probably something a shoe repair/leather work shop could do. My concern would be that the shoe repair folks might not "know bicycle saddles" like Sella Anatomica and hence may need some guidance/advice from the cyclist to get it right.

I will take some photos and post them on this thread so you all can judge for yourselves how it looks. In my opinion, anyway, Sella Anatonica are not the best looking saddles . . . but who cares, really (well, I'm sure some do) because they are so comfortable to sit/ride on. Which, to me, is really the subject here.

When I re-installed this saddle I took their advice and tilted the nose up more than I had previously. Along the same lines as my notes above, it did make it look funny, but it was very comfortable to ride. The only downside I noticed was that, while climbing standing, the nose of the saddle touched the back of my shorts on every pedal stroke. Not tragic, certainly, but a bit annoying. More fine tuning of the saddle position may be in order!

Here is my Sella Anatomica test ride on Strava for those curious about the details: Bike Ride Profile | Rebel Gold + Bonus Climbs, Meats, Imperial, Canyon View & Water Tower near Irvine | Times and Records | Strava

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Old 12-14-14, 09:14 PM
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As promised, here are some photos of my laced-up Sella Anatomica saddle. Click to enlarge.

My apologies for breaking "white garage door" protocol but my garage door is brown . . . just wouldn't let the saddle show up well.
Front / Side view showing laces.

Top view showing lacing pattern

Close up of the laces showing position and spacing

Side view showing more "nose up" position of the saddle.

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Old 12-15-14, 08:47 AM
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One of the Bulls just ordered a Selle Anatomica, and he rode the Dead of Winter Double (pre ride). He said it was great. I am going to work one into my budget
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Old 12-16-14, 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Wanderer View Post
You may be misunderstanding leather saddles......a very common misconception. They are hammocks, by no means. All of my Brooks have stayed really hard, and slippery, except where they form slightly to your sit bones. If you sat on mine (B-17), you would say it is as hard as a rock. But, now it fits me. If they ever do lose their stiffness, you lace the sides to bring it back. Kinda like adding an upright beam along the sides. Being able to move around on them easily, while still having a "perch" to sit on them, is most of their usefulness.

As far as I'm concerned, anyone using an oily concoction on Brooks, completely ruins them quickly. They are supposed to be stiff, not like a soft baseball glove, or soft slippers. They are work boots for your butt..... support and protection.

I have only ever used Proofhide on my Brooks', and put it on kinda thick on the underside - only once, when new. I even used a flux brush to work it around the contact points to do away with leather squeeks. The top gets a minimal annual coat, (think shining boots with Kiwi) when I put my bike away for the winter (yeah, it snows up here for about 4 months.) Then it gets a good buffing in the spring when I GI the bikes, to bring them out of storage.

Seldom, have I ever tightened a Brooks saddle, and then only a half turn, maximum..... I'll bet I haven't put a grand total of five complete revolutions on all my Brooks seats over forty years. TOTAL! You might be surprised how little maintenance they really need. Resist the urge to do anything!

I'll soon find out how the Selle AnAtomica compares. If it turns out to be too soft, I have a skinny granddaughter who would take it off my hands. I can always go buy another Brooks.

You know, Jinx, I really think these leather saddles start out harder and stiffer than a lot of OEM plastic seats. Have you ever noticed how much they actually flex when riding? My Brooks' have stayed hard and stiff, but they (and me) form to each other. (not the stiff part)

I'm really going to research leather care for this AnAtomica, because their saddle sauce sure looks and smells like Lexol, which gets absorbed into leather and is water based. Proofhide is a protective coating more than anything, like boot wax. I know leather loves Lexol, but it also softens it over time (and sure makes it heavy). I may just go the Proofhide route, as I know that works on leather saddles.

If you get a chance to try one, you really should, as it is usually pretty eye opening. One thing to remember, different styles for different styles. A race saddle ain't a touring saddle, and a springer wouldn't work very well on a Roubaix....... B-17 seems to split the difference on a lot of bikes, and is as close to a jack of all trades, as you will find. But I'd lean more toward a Pro for a road bike.
I have a few Anatomicas now, and I plan to get another for Mrs. Road Fan's new bike. She's in the 140's and likes a B17 Imperial, so I think I'll get her the one below the X, that has some extra flexibility.

Re Proofide: I really don't think it protects or waterproofs. I know my Brooks Pro from my high school bike (1971 ... ) was out in the rain without having been Proofided and again after being Proofided, and the tendency to absorb water seemed the same (I didn't destroy the saddle because I didn't sit on it while it was soaked; I pedaled home off the saddle.).

I don't think much leather care research is needed, SA tells you what they think works. Nor is much leather care needed, IMO. At least with Brooks', there have been as many horror stories about saddle treatment causing destruction as there have about it doing nothing, or actually helping. I would look for a "shower cap" for the saddle, and add fenders to keep the underside dry, if you can.

I tried Proofide on one of my SAs, and it didn't absorb at all, unlike a Brooks. I would not further waste $$ Proofide on an SA. Keep it for a baseball glove or a briefcase. It does seem to improve flexibility, but not a great deal.
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Originally Posted by guidoStow View Post
My concern with Selle Anatomica saddle is that the clamp-able portion of the rails is fairly short and well forward on the saddle which promotes a lot of setback. I need the opposite and need to sit more forward (short Femurs) so even though it felt good it just would not work for me.
I found the Rivet while a bit harder than the SA is much easier to break in that a Brooks, available in 3 widths and in the middle widths a non-slotted "All-Roads" version... And much longer rails!
The SA rails are about as long as any saddle you can get, even if they may be biased toward the front. It's about twice as long as for a Brooks, and I can't say for a Rivet. If you need it farther forward, can you get a seat post with zero setback?

Do you have an example of a saddle/seatpost combo that does work for you? Now I'm curious, this seems a unique problem.
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Re Proofide: I really don't think it protects or waterproofs. I know my Brooks Pro from my high school bike (1971 ... ) was out in the rain without having been Proofided and again after being Proofided, and the tendency to absorb water seemed the same (I didn't destroy the saddle because I didn't sit on it while it was soaked; I pedaled home off the saddle.).

I don't think much leather care research is needed, SA tells you what they think works. Nor is much leather care needed, IMO. At least with Brooks', there have been as many horror stories about saddle treatment causing destruction as there have about it doing nothing, or actually helping. I would look for a "shower cap" for the saddle, and add fenders to keep the underside dry, if you can.

I tried Proofide on one of my SAs, and it didn't absorb at all, unlike a Brooks. I would not further waste $$ Proofide on an SA. Keep it for a baseball glove or a briefcase. It does seem to improve flexibility, but not a great deal.
I think you got it a little mixed up. We used to use Lexol on motorcycle clothes, back when leather was popular. It drank it up, and did soften it, and made it really heavy and stretchy to form to your body. Selle AnAtomica's concoction looks, smells, and feels like Lexol. Brooks Proofhide is more like your typical wax boot polish. It is more of a topical dressing, and doesn't seem to get down into the leateher. As you buff it off as it dries. Leaves the leather more in it's manufactured shape and consistency.

With the abuse baseball gloves get, almost anything is an improvement.

Proofhide doesn't make leather wet upon application. Saddle Juice (and Lexol) does. As do most other leather treatments which are oil or water based. Sno Seal, Mink Oil, Boot Oil, Olive oil, and even motor oil would be included among these.

Proofhide seems to make things last longer, but they do take considerably longer to wear into the users shape.

That's not always a bad thing. I like 'em hard, as it allows you ease of moving around on the saddle, for comfort or use.

I will continue to use Proofhide on my leather saddles, and time will tell as to the correct procedure. In six, or ten, or fifteen, or twenty years (if I'm still around) I let you know.....

I also agree with you - don't ride a wet leather saddle, as it is much easier to stretch leather when it is wet.

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A Warm oven was used to melt in the waxes in Proofide absorbed by my Brooks Pro .. the wax does fill the pores then water wont be absorbed instead.
it re solidifies at normal temperatures ..

I did it once when I got each of my 2 Pros, 36 and 22 years ago. Nicks in the top seemed to smooth them selves out over Time. Too.

the hide pores are Thus, previously Occupied by Waxes, Now, so water is challenged to be absorbed

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Originally Posted by Wanderer View Post
I think you got it a little mixed up. We used to use Lexol on motorcycle clothes, back when leather was popular. It drank it up, and did soften it, and made it really heavy and stretchy to form to your body. Selle AnAtomica's concoction looks, smells, and feels like Lexol. Brooks Proofhide is more like your typical wax boot polish. It is more of a topical dressing, and doesn't seem to get down into the leateher. As you buff it off as it dries. Leaves the leather more in it's manufactured shape and consistency.

With the abuse baseball gloves get, almost anything is an improvement.

Proofhide doesn't make leather wet upon application. Saddle Juice (and Lexol) does. As do most other leather treatments which are oil or water based. Sno Seal, Mink Oil, Boot Oil, Olive oil, and even motor oil would be included among these.

Proofhide seems to make things last longer, but they do take considerably longer to wear into the users shape.

That's not always a bad thing. I like 'em hard, as it allows you ease of moving around on the saddle, for comfort or use.

I will continue to use Proofhide on my leather saddles, and time will tell as to the correct procedure. In six, or ten, or fifteen, or twenty years (if I'm still around) I let you know.....

I also agree with you - don't ride a wet leather saddle, as it is much easier to stretch leather when it is wet.

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I don't think I have it mixed up at all. I just don't think Proofide is a waterproofer or anything like one, based on my experience. I have seen no waterproofing benefit from it. Maybe it worked when applied warm or warmed so it soaked in as Fiets says, but I haven't done that. But applied as Brooks asked for, in my experience it is not a waterproofer. I'd hate for people to go off thinking it is, and then crab about how it failed when their saddle got soaked.
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Maybe I'm not clear in my post...... I don't believe anything is a water proofer. I was just trying to clarify the types of leather conditioners. Wax based, or water/oil based.

"Protectant" is probably a better description.
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