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Kona Sutra LTD to Salsa Marrakesh frameset — fit and aesthetics

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Kona Sutra LTD to Salsa Marrakesh frameset — fit and aesthetics

Old 05-14-18, 09:07 AM
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Question Kona Sutra LTD to Salsa Marrakesh frameset — fit and aesthetics


I've had my 56 cm 2017 Sutra LTD for a little over a year now. Although I'm very happy with the bike, I do find the frame is too small — both from a fit, but perhaps mainly from a aesthetics perspective (I'm pathetic, I know). I've been trying to find a 58 cm (largest available) Sutra LTD frameset to swap the parts to, without luck.

This is what my bike looks like (saddle in the sky and 35° 80mm stem):

In my search for a replacement frameset I've found the Salsa Marrakesh Drop Bar frameset. I'm 187 cm and I have a short torso, but long arms and long legs (91 cm inseam). I enjoy an upright and short reach geometry.

My 56 cm Sutra LTD has a 390 mm reach and the largest (59.5 cm) Drop Bar Marrakesh frameset has a 392 mm reach. Stack is similar (the Marrakesh being ~6,7 mm taller). Standover is 3,5 mm higher on the Marrakesh. My Sutra LTD has a 56 cm seat post while the Marrakesh has a 62 cm seat post. See geometry here:

I'm trying to make sense of this. It seems the Sutra LTD has a short seat tube and a tall head tube (for its size), while the Marrakesh has a short head tube and tall seat tube. As the reach/stack is near between the two, will the fit be very similar? If I'm using the same cranks as on my Sutra LTD, does all this mean that the Marrakesh will show 6 cm (56cm vs 62 cm) less seat post than my Sutra LTD? Yes, both bikes seems to measure seat tube length using C-T.

Sorry, what a rambling post...

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Old 05-20-18, 02:12 PM
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I'm almost exactly the same size and proportion as you and would have chosen the same size frame. 585 ETT is already a bit too long in my opinion, 560ish with a 100mm or longer stem is ideal. Have you ever tried riding that bike with the bars as low as possible? That's how I would set it up even though I'm old, arthritic, and wear glasses so have to crane my neck a bit. Despite those personal issues I'd be very comfortable with a -17, -20 or maybe even a -25 degree slammed stem and bar rotated forward to make the hoods the same height as the bar uppers. If you have never set it up that way consider giving it a trial. Like you I have disproportionately long legs and arms in respect to my torso and as a result I feel very comfortable with massive amounts of bar drop. My concern on that bike would be that the headtube is too high to achieve adequate bar drop. A larger frame would be much worse. In fact I'd probably go for the 54cm version of the same frame with a long stem because I like more even weight distribution between the wheels. The lower you put the bars the shorter the stem needs to be too, and so I'd be using maybe a 65mm length. Maybe you have the bars high as a way to cope with excessive reach. Your setup would make my hands numb on long rides. Aesthetically you're comparing modern bikes to vintage racing bikes but almost all modern bikes have that compact frame geometry with shorter seat tubes. That's now they're supposed to look now.

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