Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Folding Bikes
Reload this Page >

Helix Update?

Notices
Folding Bikes Discuss the unique features and issues of folding bikes. Also a great place to learn what folding bike will work best for your needs.

Helix Update?

Old 04-04-17, 01:18 PM
  #376  
Senior Member
 
downtube's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Greensboro, NC
Posts: 1,498

Bikes: Many Downtube Folders :)

Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 282 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 24 Times in 17 Posts
Originally Posted by bhkyte
I was really tempted to do an April fool this morning saying I have received a pre production prototype example after asking nicely. Pictures to follow.
I thought better of it , as people have money tied up in it.
But if I have permission in advance can I do this next year?
Using that as a hook you could have kept it going all day.....this would have been the best BF April Fools prank ever.

You don't have permission for next year....I'm taking your idea

Thanks,
Yan
__________________
Designer of Downtube Folding Bike
Ph.D. Temple University ( Math )
Biked across the USA twice
Semi-active chess player ( two time Bahamas National Champion )
Sivananda ( Bahamas ) Trained Yoga instructor ( 2013 ) and ThetaHealer since 2013
Bicycle delivery worker for Jimmy John's. Delivering is the best workout I have ever had.
downtube is offline  
Old 04-04-17, 01:30 PM
  #377  
Senior Member
 
bhkyte's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: York UK
Posts: 3,027

Bikes: 2X dualdrive Mezzo folder,plus others

Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 107 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Originally Posted by downtube
Using that as a hook you could have kept it going all day.....this would have been the best BF April Fools prank ever.

You don't have permission for next year....I'm taking your idea

Thanks,
Yan
I thought of it last year!
When my Helix arrives I am going to store it next to my Dahon Curl.....

Last edited by bhkyte; 04-04-17 at 01:35 PM.
bhkyte is offline  
Old 04-04-17, 01:35 PM
  #378  
Senior Member
 
downtube's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Greensboro, NC
Posts: 1,498

Bikes: Many Downtube Folders :)

Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 282 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 24 Times in 17 Posts
Why did you not use it? I dream about these possibilities!

Thanks,
Yan
__________________
Designer of Downtube Folding Bike
Ph.D. Temple University ( Math )
Biked across the USA twice
Semi-active chess player ( two time Bahamas National Champion )
Sivananda ( Bahamas ) Trained Yoga instructor ( 2013 ) and ThetaHealer since 2013
Bicycle delivery worker for Jimmy John's. Delivering is the best workout I have ever had.
downtube is offline  
Old 04-04-17, 01:37 PM
  #379  
Senior Member
 
bhkyte's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: York UK
Posts: 3,027

Bikes: 2X dualdrive Mezzo folder,plus others

Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 107 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Originally Posted by downtube
Why did you not use it? I dream about these possibilities!

Thanks,
Yan
I imagined investing and someone doing that to me and didn't feel it was a nice thing to do.
bhkyte is offline  
Old 04-04-17, 01:38 PM
  #380  
Senior Member
 
downtube's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Greensboro, NC
Posts: 1,498

Bikes: Many Downtube Folders :)

Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 282 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 24 Times in 17 Posts
Originally Posted by bhkyte
I imagined investing and someone doing that to me and didn't feel it was a nice thing to do.
It's hysterical.

Thanks,
Yan
__________________
Designer of Downtube Folding Bike
Ph.D. Temple University ( Math )
Biked across the USA twice
Semi-active chess player ( two time Bahamas National Champion )
Sivananda ( Bahamas ) Trained Yoga instructor ( 2013 ) and ThetaHealer since 2013
Bicycle delivery worker for Jimmy John's. Delivering is the best workout I have ever had.
downtube is offline  
Old 04-04-17, 10:54 PM
  #381  
Full Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Staten Island, NY
Posts: 210

Bikes: Two Cannondale Hooligan 8s, IF MOVE

Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 44 Post(s)
Liked 3 Times in 2 Posts
Originally Posted by bhkyte
I imagined investing and someone doing that to me and didn't feel it was a nice thing to do.
You imagined it right no point to make fun of victims of the scam.
shrooms is offline  
Old 04-04-17, 10:57 PM
  #382  
Senior Member
 
downtube's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Greensboro, NC
Posts: 1,498

Bikes: Many Downtube Folders :)

Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 282 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 24 Times in 17 Posts
I don't see this as a scam.

Thanks
Yan
__________________
Designer of Downtube Folding Bike
Ph.D. Temple University ( Math )
Biked across the USA twice
Semi-active chess player ( two time Bahamas National Champion )
Sivananda ( Bahamas ) Trained Yoga instructor ( 2013 ) and ThetaHealer since 2013
Bicycle delivery worker for Jimmy John's. Delivering is the best workout I have ever had.
downtube is offline  
Old 04-05-17, 01:30 AM
  #383  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: NorCal
Posts: 1,453

Bikes: Haibike Sduro Trekking SL, Rivendell Appaloosa, Concinnity singlespeed, KHS mini velo (Japan market), Trident Spike trike

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 653 Post(s)
Liked 93 Times in 76 Posts
Originally Posted by downtube
I don't see this as a scam.

Thanks
Yan
No, it's not a scam. It's a guy with an idea for a folding bike with no communication skills outside of asking for money for a bike he can't build and sell.
Joe Remi is offline  
Old 04-06-17, 06:36 PM
  #384  
jur
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Albany, WA
Posts: 7,393
Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 321 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 7 Times in 6 Posts
As production nears, those with access to the closed Helix website have been required to sign an NDA, or risk being locked out of the web site. There is at least one case where everything backers-only has been copied to a forum somewhere in SEA, and of course myself, having posted some pics in this thread too (although I have been careful not to divulge sensitive issues). So I can only give news of a more general kind but no pics which aren't available at the public section of the Helix site.

We have also been given the promise of getting regular updates every 2nd Friday, as pics or posts in the "activity stream", which is a bit like a visual element blog.
jur is offline  
Old 04-06-17, 06:47 PM
  #385  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: NorCal
Posts: 1,453

Bikes: Haibike Sduro Trekking SL, Rivendell Appaloosa, Concinnity singlespeed, KHS mini velo (Japan market), Trident Spike trike

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 653 Post(s)
Liked 93 Times in 76 Posts
An NDA?? Dude, that's funny!
Joe Remi is offline  
Old 04-06-17, 08:31 PM
  #386  
jur
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Albany, WA
Posts: 7,393
Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 321 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 7 Times in 6 Posts
Actually, not so; there are proprietary details for example production methods, and accessory design details which are not for public consumption just yet.
jur is offline  
Old 04-06-17, 08:40 PM
  #387  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Bali
Posts: 2,244

Bikes: In service - FSIR Spin 3.0, Bannard Sunny minivelo, Dahon Dash Altena folder. Several others in construction or temporarily decommissioned.

Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 897 Post(s)
Liked 17 Times in 17 Posts
If that's true, Helix is in trouble unless it did a thorough background check on all backers. Were I an industrial spy, I would have simply signed on as a backer so I could get at these proprietary details.

Originally Posted by jur
Actually, not so; there are proprietary details for example production methods, and accessory design details which are not for public consumption just yet.
Abu Mahendra is offline  
Old 04-06-17, 09:58 PM
  #388  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 229
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 104 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 8 Times in 4 Posts
Excerpt from email today from Helix:

At this time, we have reached our production capacity for a timely delivery and will be closing pre-orders on April 7 at 10:00 pm EST. This will be the last opportunity to purchase Helix for delivery this year and the only time that pre-order pricing will be offered.

Retail orders will begin winter 2017.
Gibsonsean is offline  
Old 04-06-17, 09:59 PM
  #389  
jur
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Albany, WA
Posts: 7,393
Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 321 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 7 Times in 6 Posts
Originally Posted by Abu Mahendra
If that's true, Helix is in trouble unless it did a thorough background check on all backers. Were I an industrial spy, I would have simply signed on as a backer so I could get at these proprietary details.
I'm sure that happened anyway. I'm quite sure Brompton has signed up very quickly. And any number of Asian interested parties. Helix isn't publishing drawings, for example. But yes, it would be naive of them to expect backer-only details to remain a secret.
jur is offline  
Old 04-06-17, 10:52 PM
  #390  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 110
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 52 Post(s)
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
What proprietary production methods ...?? All the necessary details worthy of spying are in the patent.

If the NDA applies, its to other things he wish to patent, not the updates he should be showing to backers.

I've seen the accessories picture ( just one picture), there is no basis of patent there for an NDA, the design is very reminiscent of the Birdy approach. VERY similar, patent wouldn't have stuck in a court challenge anyway. For all that it may be, Pacific Cycles may just challenge him for royalties instead.


Last edited by maxxevv; 04-06-17 at 11:11 PM.
maxxevv is offline  
Old 04-07-17, 01:01 AM
  #391  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 229
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 104 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 8 Times in 4 Posts
Originally Posted by maxxevv
What proprietary production methods ...?? All the necessary details worthy of spying are in the patent.

If the NDA applies, its to other things he wish to patent, not the updates he should be showing to backers.

I've seen the accessories picture ( just one picture), there is no basis of patent there for an NDA, the design is very reminiscent of the Birdy approach. VERY similar, patent wouldn't have stuck in a court challenge anyway. For all that it may be, Pacific Cycles may just challenge him for royalties instead.

How does the rear mudguard fold with the wheel without obstructing free rolling in the folded position?
Gibsonsean is offline  
Old 04-07-17, 01:49 AM
  #392  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Bali
Posts: 2,244

Bikes: In service - FSIR Spin 3.0, Bannard Sunny minivelo, Dahon Dash Altena folder. Several others in construction or temporarily decommissioned.

Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 897 Post(s)
Liked 17 Times in 17 Posts
You'll have to pony up to find out.

Originally Posted by Gibsonsean
How does the rear mudguard fold with the wheel without obstructing free rolling in the folded position?
Abu Mahendra is offline  
Old 04-07-17, 02:06 AM
  #393  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 229
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 104 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 8 Times in 4 Posts
Originally Posted by Abu Mahendra
You'll have to pony up to find out.
Gibsonsean is offline  
Old 04-07-17, 02:28 PM
  #394  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: NorCal
Posts: 1,453

Bikes: Haibike Sduro Trekking SL, Rivendell Appaloosa, Concinnity singlespeed, KHS mini velo (Japan market), Trident Spike trike

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 653 Post(s)
Liked 93 Times in 76 Posts
Originally Posted by Gibsonsean
How does the rear mudguard fold with the wheel without obstructing free rolling in the folded position?
Is there some kinda parallelogram linkage which keeps the fender static as the wheel rotates under the frame? I don't see how the Helix retains the folded rolling ability otherwise.

I watched the video on the website for the first time in over a year. It's a very cool folder - I love the ti frame - but I'm mystified by the size. It looks like any other 24-inch wheel folder to me, albeit narrower than, say, a Tern when folded. It would work for me as a casual rider I occasionally put in my Impala's huge trunk, but seems kinda ungainly for daily bus and train commutes.
Joe Remi is offline  
Old 04-07-17, 03:15 PM
  #395  
jur
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Albany, WA
Posts: 7,393
Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 321 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 7 Times in 6 Posts
The mudguard has provision that it rotates away when folding so it doesn't interfere with rolling while folded. It's a very clever design, a video shows how it works, but due to the early nature of the reveal I don't want to give a more detailed description.
jur is offline  
Old 04-07-17, 03:37 PM
  #396  
Full Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 382
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 179 Post(s)
Liked 19 Times in 13 Posts
Originally Posted by Joe Remi
Is there some kinda parallelogram linkage which keeps the fender static as the wheel rotates under the frame? I don't see how the Helix retains the folded rolling ability otherwise.

I watched the video on the website for the first time in over a year. It's a very cool folder - I love the ti frame - but I'm mystified by the size. It looks like any other 24-inch wheel folder to me, albeit narrower than, say, a Tern when folded. It would work for me as a casual rider I occasionally put in my Impala's huge trunk, but seems kinda ungainly for daily bus and train commutes.
It's supposed to be pretty light, right? That's a fair trade-off if you're not getting the small fold. If I had the bike and was taking it on public transportation, I would rationalize it would be no different than when someone wheel a stroller or luggage onto the train. Sure it takes up some precious space during peak travel time, but they are allowed to do it.
tdonline is offline  
Old 04-07-17, 03:43 PM
  #397  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: NorCal
Posts: 1,453

Bikes: Haibike Sduro Trekking SL, Rivendell Appaloosa, Concinnity singlespeed, KHS mini velo (Japan market), Trident Spike trike

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 653 Post(s)
Liked 93 Times in 76 Posts
Originally Posted by tdonline
It's supposed to be pretty light, right? That's a fair trade-off if you're not getting the small fold. If I had the bike and was taking it on public transportation, I would rationalize it would be no different than when someone wheel a stroller or luggage onto the train. Sure it takes up some precious space during peak travel time, but they are allowed to do it.
I think the single is claimed 22 pounds, which is certainly a benefit. I still wouldn't pick it for multi-modal commuting, but it would be great for how I use folding bikes. Heck, I'd pre-order one before 10 pm est tonight if I could convince myself I'd ever get a bike. I'm not there.
Joe Remi is offline  
Old 04-07-17, 03:55 PM
  #398  
Full Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 382
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 179 Post(s)
Liked 19 Times in 13 Posts
If the bike is as good as advertised, I'm more than happy to pay retail. Not going to risk any dough on it currently.
tdonline is offline  
Old 04-07-17, 11:20 PM
  #399  
jur
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Albany, WA
Posts: 7,393
Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 321 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 7 Times in 6 Posts
Originally Posted by tdonline
It's supposed to be pretty light, right? That's a fair trade-off if you're not getting the small fold. If I had the bike and was taking it on public transportation, I would rationalize it would be no different than when someone wheel a stroller or luggage onto the train. Sure it takes up some precious space during peak travel time, but they are allowed to do it.
Don't be fooled by the wheel size into thinking it is unwieldy. It folds very compactly, just a tad bigger than a Brompton.
jur is offline  
Old 04-10-17, 05:51 PM
  #400  
Newbie
 
Join Date: May 2016
Posts: 2
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Looks like they updated the website with retail pricing. From my recollection, everything is $300 more expensive than presale or kickstarter.

To me, 20% is a small price to pay for piece of mind - both to see if it actually makes it to delivery, and for someone to put it through a rigorous review.
cje9 is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.