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Originally Posted by smallboats
(Post 20164068)
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I believe from the postings on backer's portal that the design of key components have moved on somewhat since the prototype. |
Originally Posted by Jipe
(Post 20167174)
Do we know how many bikes were pre-ordered ?
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Originally Posted by Revoltingest
(Post 20167795)
I have no clue. I wonder how many were like me, not wanting to be a Kickstarter backer, but willing to place an order directly with Helix when things looked more mature & successful. The price increase was minimal ($300). We could've easily added as much money as was raised on Kickstarter, & with no commission taken from it.
Regardless, at this stage the Helix team must have a very good idea on cost to manufacture and they are still pressing on, which would be odd if they felt they didn't have a business case. Even at pre-order time, manufacturing costs would have been much clearer and pricing only stepped up $300. Retail pricing has not been set and need bear no relation to the KS or pre-order pricing. It was always going to be more. How much more will, no doubt, reflect actual cost to manufacture, anticipated demand, Brompton and other competitor pricing and a premium for uniqueness and titaniumness. |
Something I haven't figured out.
Look at the Helix in folded condition. https://www.helix.ca/image/DSC_0263_edited_300x.jpg You'll see a straight line between the front fork pivot, the wheels axle centerline, & the swingarm pivot. This means that there's a lot of vertical compliance in the 2 connected wheels. If allowed to move upward from this position, the high leverage would impose potentially damaging loads on the pivots. That wouldn't be acceptable, so it must be a solved problem. What keeps the wheels in place? Does the swingarm touch the bottom bracket in this position? |
Originally Posted by Revoltingest
(Post 20169139)
If allowed to move upward from this position, the high leverage would impose potentially damaging loads on the pivots. ...
What keeps the wheels in place? We do know that is a proprietary locking mechanism to lock the wheels together. This could potentially fix the angle between front monofork and rear swing arm. There may also/alternatively be robust limiters in the rear helical hinge. The front hinge looks like the weak spot in this scenario. Then again, how much actual weight is going to be acting on the whole folded set up. |
Originally Posted by Gibsonsean
(Post 20169849)
Took me a while to get your gist. It's an interesting question.
We do know that is a proprietary locking mechanism to lock the wheels together. This could potentially fix the angle between front monofork and rear swing arm. There may also/alternatively be robust limiters in the rear helical hinge. The front hinge looks like the weak spot in this scenario. Then again, how much actual weight is going to be acting on the whole folded set up. Thinking more about it, a stop attached to the brake side dropout could work well. It could be short, light & unobtrusive. |
Originally Posted by Revoltingest
(Post 20169950)
To handle the forces, a rotational locking device at the axles would be noticeably large & inefficient, & it would likely not be a passive device. The hinges are too small do handle rotational locking. Even the swing arm impinging against the bottom bracket would yield higher forces than I'd be comfortable with. I'd consider a stop on the frame extending down to touch the swingarm or axle/hub, thereby limiting motion passively & with low forces. I suspect they've figured out something more elegant.
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Looking forward to this weekends update!!
Happy Friday all :) |
Originally Posted by Revoltingest
(Post 20169139)
Something I haven't figured out.
Look at the Helix in folded condition. https://www.helix.ca/image/DSC_0263_edited_300x.jpg You'll see a straight line between the front fork pivot, the wheels axle centerline, & the swingarm pivot. This means that there's a lot of vertical compliance in the 2 connected wheels. If allowed to move upward from this position, the high leverage would impose potentially damaging loads on the pivots. That wouldn't be acceptable, so it must be a solved problem. What keeps the wheels in place? Does the swingarm touch the bottom bracket in this position? |
Originally Posted by maxxevv
(Post 20174198)
Perhaps you can look up its patent. It might be possible to figure it out from there instead ?
Ref.... COMPACTABLE BICYCLE |
Latest Helix update has arrived!
Not divulging more than is appropriate..... Testing is nearly done. Production setup continues. |
Originally Posted by Revoltingest
(Post 20174613)
Latest Helix update has arrived!
Not divulging more than is appropriate..... Strange commercial strategy to hide what is going on to potential customers while Helix is supposed to need more sales to survive ? |
Originally Posted by Jipe
(Post 20179220)
Boutakis eventually succeeded in enforcing a blackout about the real status of his Helix project !
Strange commercial strategy to hide what is going on to potential customers while Helix is supposed to need more sales to survive ? As to the 'real status', as far as anyone knows, it is as Revoltingest kindly posted. "Testing is nearly done. Production setup continues.". More fun of course to see conspiracy and suppression of the truth :) |
Originally Posted by Gibsonsean
(Post 20179238)
More fun of course to see conspiracy and suppression of the truth :)
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Originally Posted by Jipe
(Post 20179251)
As long as the progress updates are only visible for backers and not open to everybody like for many other kickstarter projects, only backers know if what you state is true or not.
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Originally Posted by Revoltingest
(Post 20179422)
I really look forward to getting my Helix. But this talk of black-outs & secrecy enforcement is now adding an element of illicit pleasure. It'll be one sinful bicycle!
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Originally Posted by Joe Remi
(Post 20180387)
It'll be even more fun if the bike is released as a covert black op. "That's an interesting bicycle you have there, sir." 'What bicycle?'
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It's all about the advantages of Not Being Seen...
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I gave up the dream
I bought a Brompton. I couldn't wait any longer. 2+ years was long enough for me. I really do hope they are successful at some point.
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Originally Posted by firestorm135
(Post 20194843)
I bought a Brompton. I couldn't wait any longer. 2+ years was long enough for me. I really do hope they are successful at some point.
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They’re behind schedule, but I’d still bet we see a production Helix before George RR Martin’s next Game of Thrones book.
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Thank you! I got an Orange Black Edition with the S-style handlebar, 6 speed with 12% gearing reduction, and rear rack. Looks to be the perfect travel companion!
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I come here for the Helix drama. Please take the Brompton talk elsewhere. ;) :D
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I heard a Helix is dating a Brompton.
Would the offspring be a 20" folder? Would they raise it to be titanium or steel? |
Originally Posted by Lalato
(Post 20199742)
I come here for the Helix drama. Please take the Brompton talk elsewhere. ;) :D
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