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Ozonation 02-13-19 02:52 PM
Originally Posted by Gibsonsean (Post 20792926)
For clarity, by 'unqualified' i mean statements with with no acknowledgement of the basis for the rationale and the potential limitations of that basis. By 'uninformed' I mean statements whose basis is incorrect i.e. at odds with information which is known, or willfully partial or missing entirely, i.e. half assed data, or pulled out of a whole.

Only days ago, the inventor of Helix was classed as either utterly clueless or a liar, stated with poor rationlisation, no meaningful qualification and based on rubbish information. This is potentially damaging to the the target and to those who might form an opinion of that target based on what they read. Compared to an exuberant backer getting arguably carried away at the prospect of their bike finally being delivered, I don't think there is equivalence.
Some of the earlier statements verged on slander or libel (if not outright venturing into them). What was ironic is that the most vicious statements often came from those who did not back in Helix - why so invested? Sure we could all use a "public service reminder" now and then, but if anybody bought into KS without seriously considering that they might actually get nothing... well, that's too bad. That's the way it works: you invest your money, you take your chances. Buyer beware.

Now that the bike is in the wild... it's waiting game to see how the reviews will turn out, and how Helix positions itself for long term success.

Ozonation 02-13-19 02:56 PM
Originally Posted by Blackstrida_A_ (Post 20793325)
[MENTION=455318]Jipe[/MENTION]
[MENTION=432202]berlinonaut[/MENTION]

Many thanks to you both! :)

Here a few more articles regarding sales figures:

https://www.theguardian.com/business...tory-expansion
https://www.tutor2u.net/business/blo...lding-bicycles
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-23239764
Loved reading some of these articles. Makes me realize that part of the reason I bought into Brompton was that irrational feeling of exclusivity - see? I bought something from a company that cared for quality and its employees. The idea of craftsmanship. Similar to the feeling when I ride one of my Rivendells, or use my Tom Bihn bag, or Saddleback leather bag. Of course, I'm in a position where I can finally afford modest luxuries... first world problems. I'll count myself fortunate that I can obsess over details about a folding bike. :D

towndock 02-13-19 05:16 PM
Originally Posted by avole (Post 20792803)
You didn't start this thread, I know, but hasn't it outgrown its usefulness? You'll be receiving your Helix shortly, so hopefully the saga on this thread comes to a close.
Blasphemy. I was counting on Helix Season Five to keep me entertained next winter.

Lalato 02-14-19 10:42 AM
Originally Posted by towndock (Post 20793648)
Blasphemy. I was counting on Helix Season Five to keep me entertained next winter.
I can't wait for Season 5! I'm on pins and needles with excitement. Best. Folding. Bike. Thread. EVAR!

Seriously though, at this point it would be best to let things cool down a bit until a Helix is found out in the wild.

towndock 02-15-19 07:31 AM
Breaking news:
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ef3c93c393.png

Ozonation 02-15-19 10:19 AM
Originally Posted by towndock (Post 20795713)
As a real Canadian, I am offended. We will immediately strike up a 5 year, $2.5 million Royal Commission to study this national crisis. We will not invite you our annual snow shovelling competition (bigger than hockey, eh?). And we will immediately cease exporting poutine and maple syrup. So there. :p

linberl 02-15-19 10:29 AM
As a real American, I am offended by Trump. Given that his doctors just said he is obese, clearly he is unfamiliar with bicycles. You can keep the poutine but please don't stop the maple syrup. ;-)

Ozonation 02-15-19 10:32 AM
Originally Posted by linberl (Post 20796013)
As a real American, I am offended by Trump. Given that his doctors just said he is obese, clearly he is unfamiliar with bicycles. You can keep the poutine but please don't stop the maple syrup. ;-)
Okay... just for you, we'll keep selling you the maple syrup at our super discounted rate of only 8X markup. Just for our American friends, of course... :D

tds101 02-15-19 11:29 AM
But,...but,...I really, really, REALLY wanna try POUTINE!!! :cry:

Ozonation 02-15-19 11:33 AM
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8bdf8beb6a.jpg
Originally Posted by tds101 (Post 20796127)
But,...but,...I really, really, REALLY wanna try POUTINE!!! :cry:
Here you go!

tds101 02-15-19 12:23 PM
Originally Posted by Ozonation (Post 20796136)
Ok,...those are nothing but cheese fries with some gravy on it (still not poutine),...this is blasphemy!!! :lol:

linberl 02-15-19 04:21 PM
I had poutine for the first time in Quebec. My impression was that someone had left over McD's fries, and emptied the other refrigerator leftovers on top, then covered it in gravy to try to make it palatable. Apparently it is great hangover food, though, lol. There are some "foodie" versions where I live that I have yet to try, the most interesting being from a Montreal Smoked Meat Deli-style restaurant which sounds pretty authentic. One thing for sure, though - do NOT eat it expecting to be able to ride after. Imagine a NY forgettaboutit lock in in your stomach, haha.

From Augie's:
https://s3-media4.fl.yelpcdn.com/bph...BcYoDnXQ/o.jpg

tds101 02-15-19 05:32 PM
Hmmm,...maybe I'll just pass on the poutine,...:p

Gibsonsean 02-16-19 03:23 AM
Originally Posted by linberl (Post 20796613)
I had poutine for the first time in Quebec. My impression was that someone had left over McD's fries, and emptied the other refrigerator leftovers on top, then covered it in gravy to try to make it palatable. Apparently it is great hangover food, though, lol. There are some "foodie" versions where I live that I have yet to try, the most interesting being from a Montreal Smoked Meat Deli-style restaurant which sounds pretty authentic. One thing for sure, though - do NOT eat it expecting to be able to ride after. Imagine a NY forgettaboutit lock in in your stomach, haha.

From Augie's:
https://s3-media4.fl.yelpcdn.com/bph...BcYoDnXQ/o.jpg
No, Canada, just no.

avole 02-16-19 03:34 AM
I'd never heard of this, and for those who don't know either: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poutine

Raxel 02-16-19 12:53 PM
Originally Posted by linberl (Post 20796613)
I had poutine for the first time in Quebec. My impression was that someone had left over McD's fries, and emptied the other refrigerator leftovers on top, then covered it in gravy to try to make it palatable. Apparently it is great hangover food, though, lol. There are some "foodie" versions where I live that I have yet to try, the most interesting being from a Montreal Smoked Meat Deli-style restaurant which sounds pretty authentic. One thing for sure, though - do NOT eat it expecting to be able to ride after. Imagine a NY forgettaboutit lock in in your stomach, haha.
From Augie's:
I first tried Poutine last time I visited Montreal (and actually it came with most of our meals too) - and I generally agree with your description. French fries plus cheese curd covered in gravy.

brdeleo49 02-16-19 01:55 PM
Kinda looks like In 'n Out Burgers "animal style fries" here on the west coast....

Roegmann 02-17-19 02:12 AM
Originally Posted by Ozonation (Post 20793392)
Loved reading some of these articles. Makes me realize that part of the reason I bought into Brompton was that irrational feeling of exclusivity - see? I bought something from a company that cared for quality and its employees. The idea of craftsmanship. Similar to the feeling when I ride one of my Rivendells, or use my Tom Bihn bag, or Saddleback leather bag. Of course, I'm in a position where I can finally afford modest luxuries... first world problems. I'll count myself fortunate that I can obsess over details about a folding bike. :D
Tom Bihn. Holy Moly, I never thought I'd stumble across a fellow Tb-er on this thread. I've got so many Bihn bags, my wife thinks I have stock in the company. Cheers to you brother.

harlond 02-17-19 01:31 PM
Who would have ever guessed that when this thread was hijacked, it was over poutine.

Lalato 02-17-19 01:40 PM
Originally Posted by harlond (Post 20799219)
Who would have ever guessed that when this thread was hijacked, it was over poutine.
Haha! Well, you have to admit it's better than endlessly talking about titanium prices (unless poutine means titanium in French)! :D

[MENTION=375764]linberl[/MENTION], I'm also in the East Bay... and can confirm the existence of a poutine restaurant in Berkeley. It's a Canadian chain (Smokes Poutinerie), but all they serve is poutine.

tcs 02-17-19 01:42 PM
~2 weeks until the thread's third anniversary. Will a Helix appear in the wild before then?

rhenning 02-17-19 02:22 PM
For what its worth I did a You Tube search for Helix and there are a couple of videos of Helix bikes including one on the Streets. Roger

linberl 02-17-19 02:43 PM
Originally Posted by harlond (Post 20799219)
Who would have ever guessed that when this thread was hijacked, it was over poutine.
Well, we are waiting for the Helix reviews so not much else going on, so why not, lol?

linberl 02-17-19 02:45 PM
Originally Posted by Lalato (Post 20799238)
Haha! Well, you have to admit it's better than endlessly talking about titanium prices (unless poutine means titanium in French)! :D

[MENTION=375764]linberl[/MENTION], I'm also in the East Bay... and can confirm the existence of a poutine restaurant in Berkeley. It's a Canadian chain (Smokes Poutinerie), but all they serve is poutine.
Yes, and apparently is open late as a well designed hangover cure since it's close to campus. I think I'll try Augies (near Ashby & 9th) instead.

avole 02-17-19 02:46 PM
Originally Posted by rhenning (Post 20799298)
For what its worth I did a You Tube search for Helix and there are a couple of videos of Helix bikes including one on the Streets. Roger
Congratulations, but do you think anyone is interested? Poutine for me, any time, or this:https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f495216ce.jpeg


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