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Old 03-08-17, 11:09 AM   #26
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you have any hard evidence of this, or is it alternative truth
I know that especially German magazine testers have the funny idea to test everything way past the breaking point and come up with ridiculous ways to break things.
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Hard evidence?
I wrote already that I saw this behaviour myself.
(You must know that my friend, who was demonstrating this to me with a Dahon Qix, and me are both not the youngest and not equipped with/used to action cams and such modern things, he was disburdened to have survived the stunts and I was...well, very amazed.)
But there's a simple way to check evidence - try it!

Regarding alternative truth; here you mixed something up, that belongs more to your side of the big sea :-)

you're so right with this; the Germans talent to complicate simple things is legendary indeed.
We Austrians are different

Please don't get me wrong; my target is definitely not bashing great bikes (which Dahon bikes without any doubt are), I'm referring solely to this specific hinge.

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Here's one more oddity in that matter, you, dear ThorUSA, deserve that for not reading:

Some might ask themselves: "How can that happen to forget the safety latch"?

Unfortunately easily, because all you need to do is: Follow strictly a Dahon video!

Surely you will again not believe, but this time you are able to judge yourself, just look.
Here's the video link
please watch the unfolding process attentive from ~ 0:29 running time.
0:30 Actor unfolds frame and steering
(Clearly visible the open safety latch above his left knee.)
0:31 Fasten stem (step 2)
0:34 Rotate handlebars (step 1)
0:37 Ready to go - (reversed) step 3 missing!
(And again visible, between the knees of the actor, the now closed safety latch - but who closed it for him??)

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Old 03-09-17, 10:05 AM   #28
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Until I see real evidence of this bike being dangerous I'll continue to recommend it.

People, remember,... DON'T FORGOT TO CLOSE THE SAFETY LATCH ON THE FRAME!!!
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Until I see real evidence of this bike being dangerous I'll continue to recommend it.

People, remember,... DON'T FORGOT TO CLOSE THE SAFETY LATCH ON THE FRAME!!!
This is why quick release wheels never caught on. It was just too easy to forget to close. Huge safety fail.
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This is why quick release wheels never caught on. It was just too easy to forget to close. Huge safety fail.
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This is why quick release wheels never caught on. It was just too easy to forget to close. Huge safety fail.
Riiiiight. Been to a bike shop lately? You are unlikely to find a single derailer bike without QR wheels. You won't get them on IGH or fixies.
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This is why quick release wheels never caught on. It was just too easy to forget to close. Huge safety fail.
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Riiiiight. Been to a bike shop lately? You are unlikely to find a single derailer bike without QR wheels. You won't get them on IGH or fixies.
Reread the comment,...it was sarcasm. Lol!!!
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Reread the comment,...it was sarcasm. Lol!!!
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Any more recent review of the Qix special hinge?

Can you lay this bike folded sideways? Like into the trunk of a compact sports car.
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Any more recent review of the Qix special hinge?

Can you lay this bike folded sideways? Like into the trunk of a compact sports car.
its pretty stiff magnet connection. hence I would pick it up on side without fear that it would disengage
actually complaints that it is too tight ..lol
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Any more recent review of the Qix special hinge?

Can you lay this bike folded sideways? Like into the trunk of a compact sports car.
Derailleur up. It is a very nice bike. Easy to fold. Feels a bit bigger than many 20" bikes somehow. I like that it rolls well while folded.

Re other "citations" about needing to remember to latch the frame, yes, that it true with any folding bike. If this one is not latched you pick up on it pretty quick. Would only be a safety issue if you tried to stop real fast from a high speed but you would know before you got going to that speed if it were unlatched.

Its a very nice bike. Super commuter. Also the smaller 16" (305) Eezz D3 and Jifo use this fold system. EEZZ is sweet with the 3 speeds and its telescoping seatpost which also anchors a downtube and chainstay sections. Smallest nice riding bikes I know.
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I was thkinking if putting it sideways...you putting pressure against the non-rotatable direction of the hinge...if that's bad. I'm thinking there's considerable energy when bouncing in the back of a car.

I guess if this is a problem than Brompton would have same issue. But I rarely see Brompton lay sideways.
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I was thkinking if putting it sideways...you putting pressure against the non-rotatable direction of the hinge...if that's bad. I'm thinking there's considerable energy when bouncing in the back of a car.

I guess if this is a problem than Brompton would have same issue. But I rarely see Brompton lay sideways.
For frequently transporting that way I would make a "fitted" pad. The issue is not the hinge, but to some extent it is the handlebar post if you are transporting the bike "derailleur up". Just a pad with cut out (or better a step) for the handlebar and handlebar post would allow the bike to transport well.

Alternatively, and perhaps easier, would be a pad with a cut out for the crank and pedal, plus another for the derailleur and cassette. The bike uses a "part of frame" derailleur hanger and you really don't want to be bending that as you have to do a assertive adjustment whenever you do.

Still, a great bike and I am sure you can work out your transport in one axis or another. Happy to discuss more offline. I've moved quite a few Qix to customers and besides an early shipping damage folks have been very happy with their bikes. I've also flown quite a few times with the EEZZ D3 and it carries very well in nearly any suitcase referentially.
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Hard evidence?
I wrote already that I saw this behaviour myself.
(You must know that my friend, who was demonstrating this to me with a Dahon Qix, and me are both not the youngest and not equipped with/used to action cams and such modern things, he was disburdened to have survived the stunts and I was...well, very amazed.)
But there's a simple way to check evidence - try it!

Some might ask themselves: "How can that happen to forget the safety latch"?

Unfortunately easily, because all you need to do is: Follow strictly a Dahon video!

Surely you will again not believe, but this time you are able to judge yourself, just look.
Here's the video link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-leqU11kbQ
please watch the unfolding process attentive from ~ 0:29 running time.
0:30 Actor unfolds frame and steering
(Clearly visible the open safety latch above his left knee.)
0:31 Fasten stem (step 2)
0:34 Rotate handlebars (step 1)
0:37 Ready to go - (reversed) step 3 missing!
(And again visible, between the knees of the actor, the now closed safety latch - but who closed it for him??)
Definitely a good point - something I hadn't considered. If you only use the front brakes like my wife it could just fold up and throw her off the saddle if the safety latch is undone (she would always miss these). For an attentive rider it wouldn't be a problem.

But this might make it get into setting new folding bike records.. Pedal very fast to the building entrance, left hand undoes the latch while braking the front wheel with the right hand. Left hand opens the steering post latch and you'd have a folded bike in 3 seconds. Walk cooly holding up your ID card while you push your folded bike through the security barriers, flashing your eyebrows at anyone still staring at you with their mouths open. Neat!

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Pretty much the bike for Folding Bike records except perhaps the Eezz. I'm 95 kg and do not feel any issues with the hinge or latch strength of either bike.
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