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Old 06-09-17, 11:40 AM   #26
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I'm not a Brompton owner...the first time I test rode one, I was struck by how heavy it is. The fold is amazing but it's just not something that I wanted to lug around. Granted, I have this issue with nearly all folders, but I particularly didn't want to pay 1-2K for a heavy bike that doesn't really roll all that well either (all tested at the store so I can't speak to possible upgrades/DIY solutions). So I went cheap and bought a used and heavy Dahon. Other than folding down the handlebars when I bring it indoors, it's essentially used as a mini-velo.

Waiting for that unicorn folder that is reasonably priced, lightweight, can carry stuff, rides well and folds amazingly...
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Old 06-09-17, 11:48 AM   #27
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Seriously? You can do this:

https://youtu.be/fQscBxx7wLE?list=PL07DCB83DC40A71AF

with your Brompton? We are unworthy.
Hey, I didn't say I was good at it. I can't fold my Tikit as fast as the guy in the video can. That little slidey thing on the frame that catches the folded stem likes to move around on me, and sometimes it takes a few seconds.
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I have owned 2 bromptons and one clone.
I also got rid of them as I find other bikes ride better for less money that can replicate what a Brompton does for me.
Ie mezzo or birdie.
There are disadvanatagers in any choice.
At the end of the day the Brompton is a compact convient package and it rides ok for your liking there is not a lot to beat it.
Personally I have always found Bromptons disappointing, less fun, less well preforming to ride than my birdies and Mezzos. Also expensive to upgrade to more multi speed in a reasonable manner.
If you like the ride of the bike then I would recommend a Brompton.
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This is my rather long review:


I purchased the above Brompton from a local dealer. I sold the bike on Ebay within 30 days. I may try again.

1) The folding is annoying and you should be careful of not hurting yourself on the pedals. VERY painful. I did not find the fold as 'easy' as people claim...took a learning curve for me but...I am clumsy and not particularly of engineering mind. The bike is clearly built by someone with a scientific mindset because there are some idiosyncrasies.

2) Purchase a 6 speed.

3) Ensure you have a dealer locally --able to repair the bicycle. A closer bicycle shop (not the retailer) did not like the location of the brakes and reset them causing the bike not to fold. This dealer is not the dealer I purchased from (actually a Brompton retailer). I ended up having to return travel 100 miles round trip again to the Brompton dealer to reconfigure the bike.

4) The resale value is relatively close. I lost about $300 (PayPal/Ebay fees). Some of the components are plastic. You will immediately want to upgrade and there are a variety of choices.

5) The bike is very convenient. Wish it had an electric option. I note NYCE no longer offers the electric option via Bionix. I UBER a lot and use public transportation rather than drive my underpowered Tacoma SR. The Brompton bike is VERY easy to transport ONCE you get the folding mastered. However, often it was too much of a hassle to fold. The fold is useful for car transport.

6) I was very annoyed with the bike and it just was too difficult for me to figure out. Scratched myself a lot. Lots of bruises. I would like a step thru version. However, the convenience is priceless.

7) My dealer does not speak English fluently so I do not think my needs were understood. I do not think I communicated my needs proficiently. After the sale, the business hours were flooky and I just did not get the impression mechanically they were adept at the Brompton. So buy from an EXPERIENCED BROMPTON dealer (local). Do not have a local EXPERIENCED Brompton dealer? Don't bother. The bike is intricate and fragile to some degree. The retailer I purchased from has not been in business long AND are the closest Brompton dealer.

8) If you have a flat tire. Not easy to change tire.

9) Upgrade tires or feel every bump.

10) I did not like the S bars. I test drove an H6 model and should have purchased the H6 instead ..but it was used and the dealer was asking the same price for the new Black edition S model.

11) I felt ridiculous. Probably looked ridiculous too.

I give the bike a 7/10. I bought into the hype and really wanted to be a Bromptoneer...I just found the folding a hassle. The company marketing is superb.

I wish there was a step thru lightweight folding bike.

Note: I read recently sales are down for the Brompton. Perhaps the hype has worn off. There are many on Ebay for sale.

FYI: The best bikes I have owned: Cannondale Bad Boy, 80's Hampton Beach Cruiser and Electra Go (pedal assist only version). I love the Electra Go just too heavy and not convenient to transport.

Honorable mention: Bikesdirect Mini Velo (fun but crappy components).

I have owned a Rivendell Quickbeam (hard on my knees); Electra Townie (sluggish heavy); Treks; recumbents; tricycles.

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Old 06-12-17, 02:17 AM   #30
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Hi:

This is my rather long review:


3) ...(snip) ...A closer bicycle shop (not the retailer) did not like the location of the brakes and reset them causing the bike not to fold. This dealer is not the dealer I purchased from (actually a Brompton retailer). I ended up having to return travel 100 miles round trip again to the Brompton dealer to reconfigure the bike.


Must be a Dahon/Tern dealer.
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Old 06-12-17, 04:35 AM   #31
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This is probably the best tutorial for a newcomer such as you who was unable to master folding a Brompton. Note carefully how he avoids injuring his shins:
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Old 06-12-17, 07:58 AM   #32
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Hey, I didn't say I was good at it. I can't fold my Tikit as fast as the guy in the video can. That little slidey thing on the frame that catches the folded stem likes to move around on me, and sometimes it takes a few seconds.
If your timing is off, the one edge of the pacman can fall between the stem mast hinge. That would mean that only cable tension is keeping the stem mast upright.
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Old 06-12-17, 08:48 AM   #33
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@ BooksandBikes: I fear in your "review" of the Brompton Black Edition/Berry S2L you are telling us more about yourself than you are telling us about the bike...

No bikeshop around here is allowed to even touch my Brompton. They have no idea what it is.
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Old 06-13-17, 09:05 PM   #34
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I own a brompton, dahon, and a mini velo. I love my brompton for short rides. I am not sure how anyone could ever complain how a brompton folds. Its wonderful and easy. I purchased mine used for 900.00. If it was cheaper new, then I would buy another one. On longer rides, the other bikes are more comfortable. On short rides, I love my brompton. I kinda wish I was able to sell my dahon uno.
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I honestly don't understand the negative comments about the Brompton's ride characteristics. It has such a wonderfully plush yet spritely ride quality... putting in a 50 mile ride is a pleasure.
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This is probably the best tutorial for a newcomer...
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It's been six months with my S2L Black Edition, I can't ask for more. Simple and small to fold. Wait, I wish it has fatter tires and the stock ones are horrible. Same thing with the inner tubes.

Replaced it with Marathons and Presta valve-it works a lot better now. The ride quality is average, you have to raise your ass when navigating bad roads. The stock gears are far in between. I hardly use the 2nd speed unless there's a jackass honking me to get out of his way.

It has scratches, dirt, dust and I love it as is. People wonder why the tires are small, they politely ask me how to fold it, I usually oblige. You should see the look in their faces-it's like seeing an Autobot disguises itself as a bike.

I have a soft bag to cover it when strolling inside malls, its a good thing to hide it since there are days I feel I'm anti-social and I don't wanna demo it in front of strangers.

Meanwhile my Dahon Mu Uno, SS 700cc, 20" BMX isn't getting the love the past 6 months.
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It is interesting no one has really tried to challenge the Brompton Mini fold until recently with the Bike Friday.

Jur the Brommie Folding Video is great.

Great thread..
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I have only three and no plans to get rid of one. I keep one at home, one at work and one in my car all the time, I got so used to them that I could not be without any of them. Here are some of my thoughts:
- fold is great and very easy after you try it for several times. I do not have any problem or complain regarding the fold
- pedals are too small, I have replaced them with platform ones
- seat is not too confortable for me, replaced with brooks
- I run original tires (Brompton Kevlar), ride is harsh when they are pumped to 100psi, much more confortable at around 80psi
- brakes are great, especially on 2017 models
- they are very reliable, I had no problem with any of them, I ride around 20km every day for year and a half
- I do not see any problem with 6 speed gearing, you get used to shifting very quickly
- Two of my bikes are three speed, one is six, all with 'normal' chainring - if I would buy them today again, I would go with smaller chainring.

Hope this helps,
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I understand Bromptons has upgraded the shifters for 2017.
Yep, I never tried the pre-2017 but I find the shifters on my 2017 good. There's an indicator on both levers (1,2,3 or - and + ) so you can see what the current gearing is. Also the levers work more like a paddle shift, returning to the central position after going up or down.
Regarding some of the other comments;
- I adapted to the 6 speed in days. You don't have to go up and down each of the 6 gears. I now find myself using 2 for pulling away then going straight to 4 then 5 (which requires a change on both levers). I don't have an issue with the two levers, you simply have a low and high gear for each of the hub gears but you don't have to use them all.
- It may seem a bit dated but it's functional and is meant to be a bit "old school", hence the Brompton challenge races requires jacket and tie for example. It's a bit quirky.

Done about 140 miles on mine in 6 weeks and about to have a check-up next week. No faults yet but the derailer needs adjusting I think,but that's expected on a new bike and especially a folder (stretching cables initially).

The Brompton has got me back into cycling after about 25 years!
As someone who gets back issues, if they managed to do a carbon with the same fold I'd be up for one. 6-7kg would be great. I bought a 6 speed H bar nickel superlight but still weighs in at 11kg (thanks partly to the H bar and telescopic seat post being a tall guy).

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I agree that the 6-speed is very easy to use after a few rides. The trick is to use the hub gears for big jumps, and flick the left derailleur shifter for smaller jumps in the chosen hub gear. It's confusing at first, then you never think about it again.
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I agree that the 6-speed is very easy to use after a few rides. The trick is to use the hub gears for big jumps, and flick the left derailleur shifter for smaller jumps in the chosen hub gear. It's confusing at first, then you never think about it again.
Agree. I still find myself looking down occasionally to see what the current gearing is, but not often at all now. The hub gear can be changed while completely stationary which I think is a good plus point for a commuter.
I updated my previous post with details of the current gear levers and their operation.
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I have tried to understand why so many owners are in love with their Bromptons, and the best reason I can think of is that it is cute and it folds really well. Other than that, its gear ratios are limited and big gaps between gears. Front end feels too light and vague, although you could get used to it. I have a 3 speed and it sits in the cupboard most of the time.
My Tikit on the other hand has 27 speed, folds quickly and rides very well, although the folded size is much larger, still fits in a Samsonite case.
My 9 speed Birdy is the lightest, comfortable, but the steering feels a bit weird, but you'll get used to it after a while. Folds into a mess.
Out of the three, the tikit is my favourite, then the Birdy. Can never think of an occasion to use the Brompton. I'm keeping it with a view to take my little old dog for rides in the front bag when he can no longer walk.
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I have tried to understand why so many owners are in love with their Bromptons, and the best reason I can think of is that it is cute and it folds really well.
After riding other folders, including Tern and Birdy, I can think of a few reasons why Brompton is successful:
  • Compact fold, which is an important point if you need to carry it folded on the train/bus and/or don't have much space at home
  • One of the very few folding bikes that can be rolled folded
  • Frame-mounted baggage block: It won't wriggle like on Tern/Dahon
  • The chain is sandwiched between the two wheels, so you won't smear gunk on your/other people's clothes
  • Steel frame makes for a more comfortable ride in spite of those small wheels pumped at 100PSI/7 bars

As for the gears: If you're willing to spend more, get a custom Brompton from Kinetics: When fitted with an Alfine 11, it offers the same ratio as the six-speed Brompton with a single speed shifter and smaller/more evenly spaced gears.
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World wide dealer network in Asia, AU/NZ, US /CA, EU and of course home market, helps Brompton too..

Bike Friday has changed some.. PakIt replaces the Tikit, Belt drive Silk, has been dropped , but you can get a belt /IGH option,

In their redesigned NWT, and the new Pakit..






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Can never think of an occasion to use the Brompton. I'm keeping it with a view to take my little old dog for rides in the front bag when he can no longer walk.
Awwww........as a dog person, this made me smile.
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Yes you get all that and design that is 20 years old all for the price of $$$. .


Actually the design is much older than 20years.and yet it's still here.It's also one of the most usefull,the most copied, one of the least stolen,and one of the best when it comes to resale value.Yeah, it a real dinosaur alright.
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I had a Mk2 3 speed Mid 90s. (94 production year stamped on the AW3, did some upgrades on it with new parts..

they were backwards compatible .. then sold it when I got a Used Mk4..
Many of the changes to the frame design were to streamline the manufacturing, to keep up with increased sales.

they since then have continued to make changes to the components like the spider crank , and the shifters under the handlebar.

The New NIG redesigned BSR hub and the above the bar shifter work a lot easier
than the old steel trigger shifter and the old steel shell British hub.






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I have tried to understand why so many owners are in love with their Bromptons, and the best reason I can think of is that it is cute and it folds really well. Other than that, its gear ratios are limited and big gaps between gears. Front end feels too light and vague, although you could get used to it. I have a 3 speed and it sits in the cupboard most of the time.
I keep mine in the trunk of my car for journeys to spots I can't reach from my house by bike. I can't say its "cuteness" is a big deal - although I do like how they look - but the ease and compactness of the fold are light-years better than any Dahon-and-similar folder of owned (never tried a tikit, looks like a nice bike).

I don't notice any weirdness in the steering, I think it's a fun ride. A front bag with stuff in it does calm it down a bit.
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I have only three and no plans to get rid of one. I keep one at home, one at work and one in my car all the time, I got so used to them that I could not be without any of them. Here are some of my thoughts:
- fold is great and very easy after you try it for several times. I do not have any problem or complain regarding the fold
- pedals are too small, I have replaced them with platform ones
- seat is not too confortable for me, replaced with brooks
- I run original tires (Brompton Kevlar), ride is harsh when they are pumped to 100psi, much more confortable at around 80psi
- brakes are great, especially on 2017 models
- they are very reliable, I had no problem with any of them, I ride around 20km every day for year and a half
- I do not see any problem with 6 speed gearing, you get used to shifting very quickly
- Two of my bikes are three speed, one is six, all with 'normal' chainring - if I would buy them today again, I would go with smaller chainring.

Hope this helps,
I find the standard chain ring fine for the 6 speed at the moment for the rides I'm doing.
I'm considering a second bike for commuting only. Did you try the 2 speed by any chance? I initially liked the thought of having the internal gears only but then saw the lower weight of the 2 speed.
I find the ride a bit too harsh at 100psi too. I think around 80 is nice but tend to go 90 front and 95 rear and by end of week they're down to around 80 anyway. I don't take my pump with me so can only check at weekends. Just noticed they've done away with the Brompton Kevlar tyres on new bikes, replaced I think with another Schwabe.
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