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Old 09-17-17, 12:17 PM
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First folding bike under $2000

Hi all, new to the forum here. Looking for some advice on making the right purchase. I was very interested in a birdy dual drive but after contacting my local bicycle shop that supplies birdys he mentioned that for 2018 they have discontinued this model and as it's slightly more then I'm looking to spend I decided to seek an alternative. The tern verge x10 / p10 caught my interest. I decided on the p10 as it uses disk breaks but after reading mixed reviews online on tern and there quality / safety of the main hinge weld I'm uncertain about going there. Is it still an issue or have they resolved the problem? If not what other options are out there on a reliable / durable folder as I'd be looking to use it to start to commute on it daily.
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Old 09-17-17, 12:34 PM
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The jury is still out on whether Tern has fixed their issues with frames breaking. I wish Tern had conducted themselves better once this started happening, as they were in denial mode and tried to blame the customers for what was essentially their problem. That's not a company I'll support by giving them my business, and it's a strictly personal decision on my part.

As to disc brakes vs. rim brakes on a folder, while I'll be the first to admit that disc brakes have superior modulation, they are also quite fiddly as far as maintenance. Gotta keep the rotors and pads meticulously clean, as any grit will wear your rotors quickly. If you live in very hilly country, a benefit of discs is that you don't risk overheating your rims on long descents as you do with rim brakes, which could blow a tire and send you careening. Otherwise, I'm perfectly happy with rim brakes and feel no need to switch.
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Old 09-17-17, 12:49 PM
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Thanks for the feedback. Unfortunately then I think I'll be passing on the tern then and looking elsewhere. My thought on disk breaks was to aviod replacing rims as often but as I don't really live in a hilly area I guess that's something really to worry about
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There's a ton of nice, reliable Dahons in that price range if you're looking for a fold-in-half 20-inch-wheel bike. If 16-inch is ok and you need a small, efficient fold --> Brompton.

But I would recommend spending half-or-less on a used folder first. It's very easy to spend big money on a folder you think you're into, then discover it's not what you need. Buy used; sell for not much loss; buy new.
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Dahon has the vector p20 which is very similar to terns verge p10. I have considered buying second hand but some of these models don't come about very often on ebay
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Where are you located? Are there any local stores you can see folding bikes?
Test ride a few to get a feel for ride characteristics. Also, fold & unfold to experience
the difference(s).
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Originally Posted by Cyclingfast View Post
.... If not what other options are out there on a reliable / durable folder as I'd be looking to use it to start to commute on it daily.
Your budget is good so lots of options - what your commute will be like is very important... why do you need a folder? is there a train or bus leg? safe locking outside or in a bike room, or do you want take to your desk? hills, miles, weather?
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^^what 1nterceptor said.

Folding bikes are so idiosyncratic, I always recommend spending some time with them first before purchase if at all possible. What could be a fantastic feature for one person could be a dealbreaker for another.

Ease of fold, speed of fold, quality of folding bits, frame quality, parts quality, does it roll when folded or do you have to pick it up and carry it, does it stay together in the folded position (magnets, velcro straps etc) or does it flop around, total weight, ability to upgrade parts or are they proprietary to the manufacturer, ability to adjust the bike to your riding preference (say a telescoping stem/handlepost), ability to install racks/bags...these are just some of the things to consider.
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I'd wait and see if the Helix materializes in the next few months. With that budget, if it is even close to as good as planned, it might be a real winner.
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Originally Posted by linberl View Post
I'd wait and see if the Helix materializes in the next few months. With that budget, if it is even close to as good as planned, it might be a real winner.
I'm self-deleting my answer to this 😬
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Test riding folders isn't an option for many though. I live in a major metropolitan area and aside from Bromptons and a couple of Dahons, I really don't have much to test ride. There are a couple of lightweight bikes I'm interested in but as I have only ever seen them online, I'm hesitant to buy.
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Originally Posted by Joe Remi View Post
I'm self-deleting my answer to this 😬
I said "if" lol. But from the thread, it sounds like it actually is getting there (eventually) and you have to admit - IF it materializes - it's going to be amazing. If I had 2 grand and wasn't in a super-hurry, I'd wait until the end of December to see where it's at. Spend the time until then researching other options and trying to set up test rides. I'm not invested in the Helix (financially or emotionally) but the fold is terrific and the specs are great. It could be a super bike.
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Cousin to the Birdy is the Pacific Reach. It looks as beautiful as the Birdy, but only the Birdy has that unique look. Don't know the price though.
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Originally Posted by Cyclingfast View Post
Hi all, new to the forum here. Looking for some advice on making the right purchase. I was very interested in a birdy dual drive but after contacting my local bicycle shop that supplies birdys he mentioned that for 2018 they have discontinued this model and as it's slightly more then I'm looking to spend I decided to seek an alternative. The tern verge x10 / p10 caught my interest. I decided on the p10 as it uses disk breaks but after reading mixed reviews online on tern and there quality / safety of the main hinge weld I'm uncertain about going there. Is it still an issue or have they resolved the problem? If not what other options are out there on a reliable / durable folder as I'd be looking to use it to start to commute on it daily.
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Originally Posted by linberl View Post
I said "if" lol. But from the thread, it sounds like it actually is getting there (eventually) and you have to admit - IF it materializes - it's going to be amazing. If I had 2 grand and wasn't in a super-hurry, I'd wait until the end of December to see where it's at. Spend the time until then researching other options and trying to set up test rides. I'm not invested in the Helix (financially or emotionally) but the fold is terrific and the specs are great. It could be a super bike.
Oh I agree. I'll be shocked if it ever happens - less shocked if it happens eventually at $3000 - but it's a fascinating design.
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The reach r20 does look amazing. After a bit more searching something like the dahon vigor p20 I think would be ideal as I need to fold it store it indoors at work. It's about a 5 miles each way. It's fairly flat but there are two small hills.
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Originally Posted by Cyclingfast View Post
Dahon has the vector p20 which is very similar to terns verge p10. I have considered buying second hand but some of these models don't come about very often on ebay
No big deal, but actually Tern's Verge is similar to (a copy of) the Dahon Vector. Dahon had their Vector on the market a year before Tern was formed as a company.

If you really have a jones for disc brakes, there's also the 20" wheel, fold-in-half Dahon VISC D18 Disc.
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Originally Posted by Cyclingfast View Post
The reach r20 does look amazing. After a bit more searching something like the dahon vigor p20 I think would be ideal as I need to fold it store it indoors at work. It's about a 5 miles each way. It's fairly flat but there are two small hills.
You may find if you like riding a folder that you want to ride in the weekends or take it on a holyday. If so it can be nice to have some extra gears.
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TS, you have not really specified your requirements.
Do you want a bike with a good fold that can be wheeled around folded or do you only need a bike that 'breaks down' for the occasional portability?
Touring/loaded commute and general use or speedy?

The Bike Friday Pocket Rocket is a good option (esp for ppl in the US).
I'd recommend to at least go for the 'Pro' version for the ~1kg saving over the 'non-pro'.
I've tried various small wheeled bikes and was a skeptic before, but after getting one (a Super Pro), its really impressed me as a bike that gets as close to a road bike as possible.
Not much of a folding bike though as its clunky after fold and can't be pushed about.

Other than that, most other options are good.
There's the Dahon Dash series which run 451 wheels and a roadbike like geomerty.
Tyrell FX
The usual Dahon/Tern fold options...
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Originally Posted by Joe Remi View Post
But I would recommend spending half-or-less on a used folder first. It's very easy to spend big money on a folder you think you're into, then discover it's not what you need. Buy used; sell for not much loss; buy new.
Originally Posted by 1nterceptor View Post
Where are you located? Are there any local stores you can see folding bikes?
Test ride a few to get a feel for ride characteristics. Also, fold & unfold to experience
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Excellent advice above.

If there are no shops around, I'd find a local forum/club and see who has folding bikes to look and hopefully test ride.
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