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Old 10-18-17, 03:06 PM   #1
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Advice re re tire selection

Hi All,
It's been over a year since I last posted. I have a question re my Mini Cooper Folding bike tires so I hope I can get some replies that will assist me.

Currently I have Schwalbe Kojak tires on that are 20 inch and 1.25 width. I am looking for just a bit more comfort and so am thinking to increase width of tires. Took my bike to a shop and the owner said he has two options that might work for me if I want to change the tires. He said there are Schwalbe 20 inch 1.75 width for $55 each or Panaracer Pasela same size/width tho they have a sort of tan sidewall vs. being all black. He said they're a good tire and a good price ($30 each).

What do you think? Anybody know if Panaracers are comparable tire to the Schwalbe? I googled what they look like and the tan or beige sidewall seems Ok though I wouldn't want to compromise quality. Then again I just use my bike to ride around my hood more than anything else and it's been quite good for that.

I had originally added a new post with a Thud buster and a pretty cushy Cloud 9 seat for my low back probs and had been Ok until I hurt my left achilles tendon and had to be on crutches, then my already established posterior tibial tendonitis in both feet kicked in and then my back went out so the back flare up has been taking what seems like forever to get over. Anyway that's my rational for trying wider tires.

thanks for any suggestions, opinions, advice! Maria
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Hmm. Not easy to give you advice. You could go for the "softes" option of course but is there something like "Too soft" for your back? I am asking becouse if too soft it could result in you bouncing up and down more than you would on a stiffer bike. Of course if tyres are too soft you can always pump them up to make them less bouncy.

Take a look at the "min" and "max" air preassure on the two different tyres, that could help us suggest. I would maybe go with the tan wall ones if it is possible to pump them up to around 80 psi or more and down to 40. That would give you an option to play with different air preassure and find out what you like.
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Do you have the exact model of tires?

Weight? Flat resistance?

I had some Panaracer Pasela 700x25 blackwall tires that seemed awfully lightweight with minimal flat protection. Some of the Schwalbes seemed to be a little more durable, but not impermeable to flats.
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Currently I have Schwalbe Kojak tires on that are 20 inch and 1.25 width. I am looking for just a bit more comfort and so am thinking to increase width of tires. Took my bike to a shop and the owner said he has two options that might work for me if I want to change the tires. He said there are Schwalbe 20 inch 1.75 width for $55 each or Panaracer Pasela same size/width tho they have a sort of tan sidewall vs. being all black. He said they're a good tire and a good price ($30 each).
Hi Maria.

Have you tried running your Kojak's at the lowest pressure listed on the sidewall? Perhaps this could give enough comfort?
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Running the Kojak on low pressure makes it vulnerable to flats from my experience. I do not know where you are from but 55$ for one single Schwalbe tire sounds expensive to me (the more as not only will you need two of them but probably also new tubes due to the bigger width of the new tire). What type of Schwalbes are we talking about (as there is a load of different models within different price-ranges out there)?
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I did try running the Kojak on lower pressure and it didn't help. I'm not sure of the Schwalbe model that costs $55.. I tried looking them up online to see which ones they were but didn't find them (the store owner quoted me the price). I'll call him back today.

Thanks for the input so far everyone!
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Wider tires w/ lower pressure will definitely transmit less bumpiness, but have you played around with changing the ergonomics of your setup? Sometimes a little change in pedal to saddle height, saddle to handlebar distance and the angle at which your saddle sits(is the front or rear of the saddle higher) can make a huge difference in how your knees and back and Achilles tendon feel after a ride. The Great Sheldon Brown and others have suggested making very small changes in these dimensions until you no longer feel you are riding a bike but it is an extension of yourself. Your thudbuster should already be soaking up a lot of bumpiness from the road. And while it is counter intuitive, a wide soft saddle can actually be less comfortable for any distance since a narrower, firmer saddle can concentrate your weight on your sit bones instead of spreading that weight over the soft connective tissues next to those bones. Just a thought.
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Currently I have Schwalbe Kojak tires on that are 20 inch and 1.25 width. I am looking for just a bit more comfort and so am thinking to increase width of tires. Took my bike to a shop and the owner said he has two options that might work for me if I want to change the tires. He said there are Schwalbe 20 inch 1.75 width for $55 each or Panaracer Pasela same size/width tho they have a sort of tan sidewall vs. being all black. He said they're a good tire and a good price ($30 each).

What do you think? Anybody know if Panaracers are comparable tire to the Schwalbe? I googled what they look like and the tan or beige sidewall seems Ok though I wouldn't want to compromise quality. Then again I just use my bike to ride around my hood more than anything else and it's been quite good for that.

I had originally added a new post with a Thud buster and a pretty cushy Cloud 9 seat for my low back probs and had been Ok until I hurt my left achilles tendon and had to be on crutches, then my already established posterior tibial tendonitis in both feet kicked in and then my back went out so the back flare up has been taking what seems like forever to get over. Anyway that's my rational for trying wider tires.
So you think the Thudbuster and different saddle have something to do with your other problems?

Schwalbe tires come in lots of flavors. It's hard to comment with only the size. If you want to give some business to your LBS, you can always ask for Schwalbe Big Apples if he/she thinks that they'll fit. The balloon tires are great for a cushy ride plus some flat protection.

I never heard of Panaracer Paselas in 20". In 26" and 700c they're a good all-rounder tire, IMO.

My favorite tire of late is the Tioga PowerBlock which comes in 20x1.75" plus lots of other sizes. Supple tire with a nice ride, IMO.
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Consider a suspension seat post, to suspend You, the heaviest mass on the bike. Thud busters have several elastomer densities,

you choose it according to your weight, fib on the weight, under reporting, and it will feel softer..
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Note sure how much room there is on the bike frame, but one of the best tyre options for years now is the Schwalbe Big Apple. They come in 2" and even a little wider. Pump these to say 30psi and there's your best tyre. If that doesn't work, nothing else will either.
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Big Apples are a bit porky...

Look to Maxxis DTH 20x2.20 folding.
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check compass tyres and also check Schwalbe Marathon Supreme
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Marathon Supreme 42-406

Marathon Supreme 42-406 are great, but they are only 42mm/1.65" wide, plus they have been discontinued and are rather pricy if you are able to find left-over stock.


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I was checking out the Maxxis DTH from Abu's link. It seems more a racing tire, high pressure with max psi of 110, weighs 485 grams at 20 x 2.20 (folding). The Schwalbe Big Apple is a touring tire, lower pressure 30-55 psi, weighs 530 grams at 20 x 2.15 (wire bead).

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Nothing forces you to pump them up to 110psi, and nothing prevents you from pumping them to a psi suitable to your own weight and terrain. Plus a folding bead could be more supple. But you know me, I am hardly one for herd mentality...

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I was checking out the Maxxis DTH from Abu's link. It seems more a racing tire, high pressure with max psi of 110, weighs 485 grams at 20 x 2.20 (folding). The Schwalbe Big Apple is a touring tire, lower pressure 30-55 psi, weighs 530 grams at 20 x 2.15 (wire bead).

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I've had the Maxxis tires, and then switched over to the Schwalbe Big Apples on my Dahon folders,...I've never looked back. Durable, comfortable, not too expensive, definitely a relief for someone with a bad back +.

I'm not a follower of the herd,...I use what works best. Schwable Big Apple 20X2.15".
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Swell. But you don't say in what objective, verifiable way are the BAs a better tire.
I said what I need to say,...

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Ok, so just subjective personal choice. Nothing tangible upon which one could make a more informed choice...
Sorry,...I'm just not up to a debate with an individual whom just so happens to go off on negative tangents when he sees fit.

Stop quoting me please,...

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Negative tangeants? All I did was to ask, in what way was the BA better. You did, after all, say you went with what 'works best'. I am simply taking you at your own word. No tangeant, but rather a direct follow-on.

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Stop quoting me please,...

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Negative tangeants? All I did was to ask, in what way was the BA better. You did, after all, say you went with what 'works best'. I am simply taking you at your own word. No tangeant, but rather a direct follow-on.
I asked you to stop quoting me,...did I not respond in a manner that was clear?
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...I use what works best. Schwable Big Apple 20X2.15".
Your own words. To which I responded.
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Your own words. To which I responded.
Was I not clear enough? STOP QUOTING ME.
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