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Old 10-24-17, 11:21 AM   #26
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"Meaningful upgrade" because of no grease or noise or is there some other reason? I keep my NWT chain clean and properly lubed so it's quiet and I wipe it after lube dries so it's not that messy. Is there some other benefit I'm unaware of?
It doesn't sound like much -- my ex ante feeling was that it was no big deal -- but over the past five years the clean and maintenance free characteristics of belt drive has been a meaningful plus for a utility bike that I want to grab at a moments notice and simply ride. The clean aspect is really nice for folding and taking into crowded situations (Metro) and placing the bike into trunks, corners, coat checks, closets, and so on.

For clarity, the belt is relatively clean without grease, but there is still some dirt on it. I'm not sure it's worth $400 but I'd seriously consider it on any new bike. In my case, it would depend on what it's being used for. The more utilitarian the bike it, the more likely I'd pay for one.

If it matters, I do all of my own maintenance but I'm at a time of my life where time and attention is the big constraint.
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It doesn't sound like much -- my ex ante feeling was that it was no big deal -- but over the past five years the clean and maintenance free characteristics of belt drive has been a meaningful plus for a utility bike that I want to grab at a moments notice and simply ride. The clean aspect is really nice for folding and taking into crowded situations (Metro) and placing the bike into trunks, corners, coat checks, closets, and so on.

For clarity, the belt is relatively clean without grease, but there is still some dirt on it. I'm not sure it's worth $400 but I'd seriously consider it on any new bike. In my case, it would depend on what it's being used for. The more utilitarian the bike it, the more likely I'd pay for one.

If it matters, I do all of my own maintenance but I'm at a time of my life where time and attention is the big constraint.
Ok that makes sense. I'm retired so maintenance is no issue, and I've never had a problem with my chain drive so for me I think maybe it is a solution in search of a problem. I wipe my chains down after lubing; they aren't very greasy. And a slip cover is easy enough to deploy in a crowded situation (which I avoid as much as possible since i can pick my times to do things). They are very cool looking and save a bit of weight but since my gearing may/will change not sure it's the right option for me - BUT per Fietsbob, I will see what additional cost there is for getting a "belt-ready" rear triangle. that would leave all options open once I get the bike dialed in.
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All right - you'll think I'm crazy but I've changed my mind. I am going with the 8 speed der model. Why? because changing it later to SS is cheap and easy whereas the reverse is much more of a expense/hassle if I'm not happy with the single speed. With the right component choices (titanium seat mast, thomsen seat post, elite fork, titanium saddle) I can get the weight on a small size frame down to just about 19 lbs. It's really only 3/4 lb heavier than the stock single speed. And, I have all the gears for my motor and the ability to see if using it "as a single speed" will work, in which case I can just pull the unnecessary parts and go single speed. But, if I do need two or more gears, I can leave it. Yup, I am making myself a bit crazy but that's the problem with a bike you order instead of actually test out. This feels the safest to me with least room for future dissatisfaction. Again, choosing to avoid the hub models because it's more hassle for flats and I have no problems with chain drives.
Now the question is do I wait and see if Bike Friday is going to offer their holiday $200 discount again this year or not? After the crowdfunding, I'm not sure they will...
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You know the majority of the downsides of using a chain goes away if you wax the chain instead. And in my experience there are no downsides to wax. It makes the advantages of belt drive much smaller.
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You know the majority of the downsides of using a chain goes away if you wax the chain instead. And in my experience there are no downsides to wax. It makes the advantages of belt drive much smaller.
I'm definitely thinking of that...I use a wax based lube and it's not too messy. Old crock pots are cheap I've watched a few videos. Seems like getting the right "mix" of wax and additive is the hardest part. And I've got a lovely master link tool that could use some exercise.
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On the assumption that toilet pedestal rings are beeswax (at least they used to be) I used some canning paraffin with it to lube chains. The toilet pedestal wax is very very sticky and the wax doesn't fall off the chain. Not exactly an appetizing thought, but on the other hand the wax was around 3 bucks. I really do prefer wax to oil for chains, and if you have a number of bikes you can do one chain after another in the melted wax.
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All right - you'll think I'm crazy but I've changed my mind. I am going with the 8 speed der model.
I highly commend you for this choice.

If only because this is what I've considered and I am happy for you to go first
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Ok, I may think you're crazy (me too!), but 8-speeds are great! As with my eRiv, you may only need the top few gears with the ShareRoller, but it can't hurt to have climbing gears when the need arises. Like when the battery quits! ;-)
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Lol, okay, and I've realized there is a point where you HAVE to just stop looking and overthinking it. It will be around $1600 with the upgraded parts. $400 to save around 2 lbs, but I will notice 2 more pounds holding in a grocery line, so it's worth it. Will start out with my brooks seat and my nitto allrounder bars but probably will move to a lighter seat - terry has a 30 day trial so I might do that - my brooks is pretty comfortable now but a saddle with a cutout might be a wee tad bit more comfy. And there's no way I am breaking in a new brooks!
Gonna see if there's a brompton frame handle that will fit around the pakiT - will make it easier and more comfy to carry when I don't have the Travoy. I have a nice yellow camelback cover with elastic that should fit around the chainring, crank, and rear der quickly for when I want it covered (probably getting removable pedals).
Bonus from the 8 speeds is I don't know when Jeff will get around to shipping the Sharerollers, so in the meantime, I'm easily able to ride everywhere =).
Thanks for putting up with my musings and being the voices of reason here. On the bright side, at least I didn't go on and on about color!!!

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I highly commend you for this choice.

If only because this is what I've considered and I am happy for you to go first
I'll happily be your guinea pig =). will let you know I get on with it once it's here.
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Oof, color. My first Brompton was the standard flat black, and I swore I would get some bright multicolored combo on my next one. After hemming and hawing and finally sorta deciding on grey with lime green extremities...I got Stardust Black. Which is technically brighter than flat black. No really!
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Oof, color. My first Brompton was the standard flat black, and I swore I would get some bright multicolored combo on my next one. After hemming and hawing and finally sorta deciding on grey with lime green extremities...I got Stardust Black. Which is technically brighter than flat black. No really!
Roflmao!!! Really, it's almost like an insult to have to decide on color after deciding on model and components. Fortunately, I tend to pick my local team colors. The last 2 bikes have been SF Giants orange and black. After
this rather uninspiring season, however, I think I'm going yellow (gold) and blue for the Warriors

Black and lime is cool. I thought about that for my Pakit with the lime green cables, but it's so little actual painted
frame that it doesn't create enough contrast. And I am totally off putting accessories on my bike. Went from having all kinds of crap on it to wearing a sling bag with no stuff but a bell. I'd spend 5 minutes evertime I went in somewhere stripping all the gadgets likely to be stolen. :-( Now I just hop off and done.
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You might want to give these folks a call after you get your Pakit. They make a lovely lifter handle for Brompton, and may be able to do one for your frame, too. I hadn't planned on getting one for my Brommie 'cause I don't carry-and-commute every day, but even the few times a month I lug the folded package around seems kinda awkward. I'm putting my order in.

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You might want to give these folks a call after you get your Pakit. They make a lovely lifter handle for Brompton, and may be able to do one for your frame, too. I hadn't planned on getting one for my Brommie 'cause I don't carry-and-commute every day, but even the few times a month I lug the folded package around seems kinda awkward. I'm putting my order in.

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Ahh, why oh why did you send me to that website????!!!!! Pretty, must have pretty things...

I was considering something like this,
which also has a shoulder strap option: https://www.offyerbike.com/oys/0dip5...rmup9dvk0li48d
and comes in colors that match. Should fit tube fine with adjustable tabs.

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That works, too! I prefer the leather look and it's about 20 bucks cheaper, but it doesn't have the shoulder strap thingy you want.
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There's a leather strap on ETSY that is made in London and is only $25...has buckles so it would be adjustable to my pakiT tube. Second choice. I like that the Off Yer Bike also works as a "frame protector" and I think the longer length will make it easier for wimpy me to balance it.
You've got me looking at some of the stuff on that site as gifts for the holidays - nice nice items!
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Anyone in the Bay Area with a pakiT??? Warm Planet doesn't have one to test, and BF isn't responding to requests to find one locally I can ride. I really really am excited about ordering now, but I've not been on a 16" wheel bike and feel like it is imperative I try it before I plunk down my money. I'm small but I could get a sense of the wheels on any size....I'll bring you a six pack =).
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Most Brompton shops probably sell at least a few B'tons a month. Most of them have demo bikes.
My dealer(BFold of NYC) has 3. Don't know how much Bike Friday dealers sell a month; I think most
buyers order straight from BF's site. When BF asked my dealer if he wanted to buy the demo pakiT
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local shop to "borrow" it for a while? The size is Medium/55; just happened to be the right size for me:
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- my brooks is pretty comfortable now but a saddle with a cutout might be a wee tad bit more comfy. And there's no way I am breaking in a new brooks!
There are old (and maybe new) threads around the BF about peopel making the cutout in theyr older brooks saddles...

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and comes in colors that match. Should fit tube fine with adjustable tabs.
Do you own a sewing machine? I made two for our Bromptons. Used the wide webbing from car seat belts and welcro. You could easily add two D rings to atatch a shoulder strap too.

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Anyone in the Bay Area with a pakiT??? Warm Planet doesn't have one to test, and BF isn't responding to requests to find one locally I can ride. I really really am excited about ordering now, but I've not been on a 16" wheel bike and feel like it is imperative I try it before I plunk down my money. I'm small but I could get a sense of the wheels on any size....I'll bring you a six pack =).
I doubt there's very many Pakits in the whole country yet. Huckleberry Bicycles in San Francisco and Berkeley each have a demo Brompton you can ride (I got my M6L from Jonas at the Berkeley shop). I wouldn't recommend this if you were 100% sold on the Pakit, but you've never ridden a 16"-wheel bike of any sort, which tells me a Brompton ride would be a good idea before plunking down your money. If you don't end up buying a bike, you can always spend a few bucks in the shop on your way out.
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I have a Pakit that I recently received, but I'm afraid I'm on the other side of the country. I'll post some pictures soon.
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Do you own a sewing machine? I made two for our Bromptons. Used the wide webbing from car seat belts and welcro. You could easily add two D rings to atatch a shoulder strap too.
In response to both of your great suggestions - I'd screw it up, lol. I am the least "crafty" person ever. fortunately, i know my limitations NOW and don't waste money on projects I'll never do
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I doubt there's very many Pakits in the whole country yet. Huckleberry Bicycles in San Francisco and Berkeley each have a demo Brompton you can ride (I got my M6L from Jonas at the Berkeley shop). I wouldn't recommend this if you were 100% sold on the Pakit, but you've never ridden a 16"-wheel bike of any sort, which tells me a Brompton ride would be a good idea before plunking down your money. If you don't end up buying a bike, you can always spend a few bucks in the shop on your way out.
I rode a brompton a few blocks when last I was looking for a bike and ended up with my BF. The fit was so bad for me I didn't notice the ride quality...short arms, bad knees, bad back. Not good on a one-size-fits-all bike without LOTS of modifications. Since I know the BF can fit me perfectly as my NWT does, I won't risk a change even if brommies are cute as can be. Plus they weigh too much.
But - do you think it would give me a good sense of the ride of the pakiT? or would a 16" dahon maybe be a better frame of reference?
BF does have a guarantee so I can send it back if I hate it but then I'm out shipping fees for nothing.
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I doubt there's very many Pakits in the whole country yet. Huckleberry Bicycles in San Francisco and Berkeley each have a demo Brompton you can ride (I got my M6L from Jonas at the Berkeley shop). I wouldn't recommend this if you were 100% sold on the Pakit, but you've never ridden a 16"-wheel bike of any sort, which tells me a Brompton ride would be a good idea before plunking down your money. If you don't end up buying a bike, you can always spend a few bucks in the shop on your way out.
Kickstarter shows 6 packiTs in S.F. Maybe one of them reads this forum???
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I rode a brompton a few blocks when last I was looking for a bike and ended up with my BF. The fit was so bad for me I didn't notice the ride quality...short arms, bad knees, bad back. Not good on a one-size-fits-all bike without LOTS of modifications. Since I know the BF can fit me perfectly as my NWT does, I won't risk a change even if brommies are cute as can be. Plus they weigh too much.
But - do you think it would give me a good sense of the ride of the pakiT? or would a 16" dahon maybe be a better frame of reference?
BF does have a guarantee so I can send it back if I hate it but then I'm out shipping fees for nothing.
Ah, you've already tried a Brompton. No, I don't see much point in doing it again unless it was a really old short-wheelbase model.
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