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Old 11-10-17, 12:12 AM   #126
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Congrats, I can't wait to see pics! Btw, you're going to be shocked at how well the Claris mech works, and it's not bad looking either. I betcha the cost of a lighter derailleur that you never bother to change it ;-)
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I'm so lame, I couldn't decide and was making myself crazy, so I just went with orange again to stop spinning my "wheels" lol. I'm very happy with all the upgrades I made, for 2k I've got myself an under 19 lbs bike with saddle/pedals and 8 speeds. Now I just have to wait.....aaargh.
Interesting thing when I was out riding the brompton to get a feel for 16" tires...the dealer (tried a new one more than an hour away) helped me nail down the issue which is the s bar is the right height but too far away which made it too low. He mentioned there is something called an Evo S bar kit which would put a riser bar on the bike without screwing up the fold so, while the reach would stlll long, it would put the bars higher. but not as high as the M, which was too high. His suggestion was that I look for a used 2 speed, which he said is common because people think it will be okay but then realize they need more gears, and he could give me a quote on doing the Evo thing. Riding the bike was interesting enough that, if I come across one pretty cheap that's maybe an older model but still functioning, it might be worth playing with it. Even a single speed would work. After I got done messing with it, I could put it back to regular and give to my adult son; that kind of motivates me to go there. He'd love it. And I can't hand down my BF's to him because he's almost 6 feet. But no more bikes until I sell my NWT and spend some time just enjoying the pakiT.
Orange bikes rock. It is the only place I like orange but if I was rich I`d buy an orange black edition and hang it on the wall just to look at it

I am happy you finaly found a B dealer that know what they are talking about so you could get a proper impression of what your options are. If I was in your situation and if you later look into a second hand B I would look into altering the stem instead of adding stuff to the bike. The right person could do it without having the bike present, it can be done to the stem alone and the stem could be added to the bike after it is done. Peopel change out stems fairly often so they can be found on e-bay or the person doing the job could maybe have a spare one. Keep your stock stem that came with the bike and your son can use that one.

Personally I am thinking of buying a TI stem for my B next time. After changng out the rear triangle on my B recently I was suprised it was so light so I do not think I`ll buy a TI rear triangle unless I want one for a wider OLD. I think the frame and the stem contains more steel so it makes more sense to change them ut. Also they should be cheaper pr gram becouse of less labour costs producing them than the rear triangle (I would think). Fork also would make sense for the same reason plus I would think the positive effects of TI in a bike would be more noticable in the front becouse the suspension block would take care of the vibrations in the back. A TI rear triangle would make sense for those who ride in salt and slush to avoid rust.

Looking forwards to hearing how you feel about folding and unfolding the bike several times a day. I am sure the fold is great.
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Old 11-10-17, 10:46 AM   #128
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Orange bikes rock. It is the only place I like orange but if I was rich I`d buy an orange black edition and hang it on the wall just to look at it

I am happy you finaly found a B dealer that know what they are talking about so you could get a proper impression of what your options are. If I was in your situation and if you later look into a second hand B I would look into altering the stem instead of adding stuff to the bike. The right person could do it without having the bike present, it can be done to the stem alone and the stem could be added to the bike after it is done. Peopel change out stems fairly often so they can be found on e-bay or the person doing the job could maybe have a spare one. Keep your stock stem that came with the bike and your son can use that one.

Personally I am thinking of buying a TI stem for my B next time. After changng out the rear triangle on my B recently I was suprised it was so light so I do not think I`ll buy a TI rear triangle unless I want one for a wider OLD. I think the frame and the stem contains more steel so it makes more sense to change them ut. Also they should be cheaper pr gram becouse of less labour costs producing them than the rear triangle (I would think). Fork also would make sense for the same reason plus I would think the positive effects of TI in a bike would be more noticable in the front becouse the suspension block would take care of the vibrations in the back. A TI rear triangle would make sense for those who ride in salt and slush to avoid rust.

Looking forwards to hearing how you feel about folding and unfolding the bike several times a day. I am sure the fold is great.
Funny - the test brompton I rode was a titanium version in orange and black!!! Very pretty. And the dealer made me squirm because he offered it to me at $1900 (2016 model but new). However, it was still 2.6 pounds heavier than my pakiT and only a 2 speed. I would def not get a regular B, even used, too heavy. I tried one while there and it didn't ride differently but was much heavier to lift.
The dealer told me changing to an "m" stem wouldn't solve my problem - he said the stem is much lower than the s stem. He said the length drop would not only remove any benefit from it being closer but make my reach problems worse. His suggestion with the Evo kit (which is very inexpensive) would add 2 inches which is what I need, and I could angle the bars slightly as well; I'm in-between the s and m almost precisely. He also said because he would be putting new cables on, he could move the brakes for me (small hands, too, so I had to way over rotate my wrists to pull the brakes on the test model).

I spent some time folding the pakiT that I test rode. The rear is the same as the brompton. On the brommie you flip the little plastic lever and lift, on the pakit you push the little button and lift. The difference is the front side. On the brommie you do some twiddly things, shift the wheel and drop the bars. On the pakiT, you've already done the wheel shift when you put the rear end under, so you pop off the stem and drop it on the frame lock. From the reviews I've read, folding the pakiT is faster by a few seconds, so negligible difference to me.

I'm curious why brompton doesn't have quick releases instead of the twiddly things - I thought they were a pain and took unnecessary time and effort when a qr would take one second? Also, I don't have the strongest hands so qr are better for me because I can put some body weight behind it.

Being in San Francisco, I'm willing to bet I will find a lightweight 2 speed brommie when I'm ready, maybe even in orange - because some millenials will buy them thinking they can handle the hills with the "cool" 2 speed and find out they're wrong, lol. Next summer I'll start looking at CL again...the more I think about fixing one up for my son as a surprise, the more excited I get about it. Edited to add: thought about it over night and I'm totally getting one to fix up for him. It will fit in the closet in his studio (regular bike taking up space in the apt.) and give him options to ride where he's worried about leaving his bike locked up.

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Old 11-10-17, 10:55 AM   #129
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Congrats, I can't wait to see pics! Btw, you're going to be shocked at how well the Claris mech works, and it's not bad looking either. I betcha the cost of a lighter derailleur that you never bother to change it ;-)
Haha, you may end up being right, so I'm not taking that bet! I may just wear it out and then swap as part of a normal drivetrain change. I usually replace my cogs, chainring, once a year (around 6000 miles).

Now I have to decide on pedals. All the removable ones weigh too much. I want to keep the pedal weight under 250 grams. Looking at velo orange touring pedals which are very nice and light. Hard to anticipate whether I will want/need to fold or remove them in daily use, so I am going to just put my regular grip kings on and ride like that at first. The grip kings aren't light but I'll be able to figure out whether I can go with the non-removable velo's that way.

If I need to be able to remove them, then I have to find some super light nice ones that don't break the bank. And that are grippy but don't have those pin things that eat your legs.

If I can't find what I need in the 250 gram range and have to go with ezy superiors which are more in the 350 range, I have the option of removing the chain bash guard (which is 100 grams). BF actually suggested I skip it in the build but I hate getting my pant caught (and it happens even with a wide pant strap sometimes). If I wore lycra tights it wouldn't be an issue but that is so NOT me.

Any super lightweight pedal recs?
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I vote for MKS Sylvan touring , they are a copy of the internals of traditional Campag pedals ,
they even copied the dust cap and wrench spline around the edge of the cap..

I have the MKS' Dust caps on my Venerable Campag BMX pedals.., (now on my 'Season' Tikit)

MKS has a similar looking BMX pedal U shaped plate, instead of 2 flat ones..

Prime version has polished races .. smooth! http://www.mkspedal.com/?q=en/product/node/89





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Old 11-10-17, 12:30 PM   #131
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I vote for MKS Sylvan touring , they are a copy of the internals of traditional Campag pedals ,
they even copied the dust cap and wrench spline around the edge of the cap..

I have the MKS' Dust caps on my Venerable Campag BMX pedals.., (now on my 'Season' Tikit)

MKS has a similar looking BMX pedal U shaped plate, instead of 2 flat ones..

Prime version has polished races .. smooth! PRIME SYLVAN TOURING | MIKASHIMA INDUSTRIAL CO,.LTD




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Do you find with the Tikit that you want to pull the left side pedal off when you fold and go places? When I get my pakiT, I will have to see if the pedal gets in the way of strapping it to the travoy or if I can rotate the crank so it's not in the way. The velo orange touring is quite a bit lighter than the MKS but same size and shape, they have very good reviews. If I go non-removable I think they are the lightest ones I can afford. I've seen some AEST pedals that are very light, but reviews are inconsistent.
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Not where I am its fold was disabled simply with a tie strap around 2 frame parts so like my 1st, Mk2 Brommy, it won't fold every time Ilift it.

(only had it the Tikit, a few months.. parked, folded, at home, now.. use the hub dynamo bike for the dark time..)

my Brompton left pedal folds to not jab you in the hip when carrying it, the rest of the bike folds to the right side.. right pedal does not fold..

this is a new version, SYLVAN TOURING NEXT Ezy Superior | MIKASHIMA INDUSTRIAL CO,.LTD yes the QR mech adds weight..
sealed cartridge life time bearings. I favor things that work really well even if they weigh a bit more..


you can get a self bushing plastic pedal that is pretty light and cheap, plastic being lighter than metal..

Brompton does offer the non folding left pedal too. it is pretty light a mix of plastic, aluminum sides with reflectors, and steel bearings/axle.




At LBS we/they stock plastic pedals for the BMX kids that use the concrete skateboard bowl ..
bowl surface is preserved at the sacrifice of the pedal, rather than the other way around.. they're just $10 a pair..




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