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Old 12-17-17, 06:24 PM
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Not adjusting the numbers for the angled-back handlepost is a pretty serious mistake..I'm surprised they missed that. But it sounds like you've solved the problem.

After all my musings about Brompton, it turns out I'm joining you in Bike Friday World! I'm moving and my riding situation is changing a lot, so I sold the Brommie and picked up a used BF Haul-a-Day cargo bike. It's going to get a mid-drive electric kit. Whee!
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Not adjusting the numbers for the angled-back handlepost is a pretty serious mistake..I'm surprised they missed that. But it sounds like you've solved the problem.

After all my musings about Brompton, it turns out I'm joining you in Bike Friday World! I'm moving and my riding situation is changing a lot, so I sold the Brommie and picked up a used BF Haul-a-Day cargo bike. It's going to get a mid-drive electric kit. Whee!
The HAD is a really really sweet bike! Incredibly versatile but not some gigantic monster. And I love the way they stand on end! I have friends who own HAD's and actually just ride them for fun, too. The mid-drive will help a lot if you're pulling a big cargo load. And the frame size adjustability is a great idea so more folks can use it. Pictures, please.

Yeah, I'm surprised too that BF didn't adjust the #'s. Not an issue with the seat but I'm gonna have to pay a few bucks
to get the stem mast cut down. Not a big deal, though. The bigger deal is I'm waiting on a credit from them (they agreed to cover the shipping as a holiday bonus) but they haven't put it through. I could use the $ now, lotsa expenses.
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Old 12-17-17, 07:19 PM
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The HAD is a really really sweet bike! Incredibly versatile but not some gigantic monster. And I love the way they stand on end! I have friends who own HAD's and actually just ride them for fun, too.
Yes, I was drawn to it as an e-assist shopping bike because it doesn't seem too huge and ungainly for just regular rides. I'm a fan of Rivendell's stretchy bikes with the long chainstays, and the Haul-a-Day doesn't seem a whole lot longer.

It hasn't shipped yet, I'll get some pics linked when I have it.
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Yes, but on the pakiT, you have to consider both. Trekking bars, moustache bars, etc., will be too wide and not have the right angles to be able to attach to the stem pin position. Trade offs.
Interesting. It's definitely hard to describe these issues relative to having the bike in front of you and testing a few things out. But it looks sweet. Congratulations on the new ride.

What bar did you flip?

It's not safe to lower the ahead stem?!? I read that's what Bike Friday told you. Did they tell you why?

If you ever decide to chop the stem mast and get a flatter bar for a smaller fold/storage but still want something swept back, I'm using the Jitesha Bar on my tikit. 57 cm wide with no drop which is pretty narrow for that type of bar. But the angles are still different than the moustache at 52 cm.

Have fun and safe travels! I would love to see more pictures.
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Interesting. It's definitely hard to describe these issues relative to having the bike in front of you and testing a few things out. But it looks sweet. Congratulations on the new ride.

What bar did you flip?

It's not safe to lower the ahead stem?!? I read that's what Bike Friday told you. Did they tell you why?

If you ever decide to chop the stem mast and get a flatter bar for a smaller fold/storage but still want something swept back, I'm using the Jitesha Bar on my tikit. 57 cm wide with no drop which is pretty narrow for that type of bar. But the angles are still different than the moustache at 52 cm.

Have fun and safe travels! I would love to see more pictures.
I flipped my Nitto all rounder but have gone back to the stock bar because it's faster to clip on. BF says it's not safe to ride with the ahead stem dropped and the mast sticking up over it...they specify it needs to be cut down if you want it lower. Makes sense at a protrusion sticking up could be quite painful if you go over the bars, lol.

The "issue" with the swept back bars is that the brakes then are more right angle and further out which get in the way of the seatmast and headset when you snap the bars on. You can raise the attachment pin up but that just increases the folded size vertically.

With my PDW ergo grips, I'm pretty sure I can get comfortable on the stock bar. I often had pain in my left hand on my NWT with flat bars so that is why I got the Nitto swept back bars (which I do love). It's 490mm wide which is right on for my narrow shoulders. I'm thinking I will go with the stock bar for my "low" riding position and then when my back gets even less flexible (not getting any younger) I can ride with the Nitto bars right side up which would give me around 1.5-2" rise. Being right side up eliminates some of the difficulty of fitting to the attachment pin that I have with them upside down. But I don't want to cut the bars so low to fit them right side up now...I'd have to buy a new stem later if something changed.

going out shopping today for stocking stuffers and will take more pics =).
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I've only had a couple of hours on it so my thoughts are preliminary. I was absolutely unprepared for the difference between wide 20" wheels and very skinny 16" wheels with slicks. I'm adjusting to the twitchiness and narrow tires but I probaby won't feel comfortable until I've had a few more rides. Right now I am aware of them - eventually I hope not to be.
Aside from the wheels, the bike rides much like any road bike. The geometry is different from my NWT so I am still dialing in the perfect fit.
The good: bike is totally silent, shifts beautifully, brakes really well given they are calipers (I'm used to avid v brakes). The wheels are lovely and the hubs roll for days. I put Velo Orange touring pedals on and they are quite nice and grippy. Instead of moving my heavy brooks over, I bought a Fizik saddle and it is actually a revelation! My butt has never been so happy =).
I haven't pulled my burley travoy with it yet, but I did figure out how to clip the folded bike to the travoy so I can take the bike inside when I go grocery shopping.
Total weight including my bell is just a little under 20 lbs. Not sure I will keep the kickstand, I keep getting my pant caught on it, and it's 92 grams anyway. If I dump the kickstand and decide to cut down the stem (and put the bars right side up) that will drop the weight a little bit. But it's incredibly light and responsive.
349 wheels, and the bike is under 20 lbs, fantastic! I really like the PakiT.

Three things bother me about the PakiT
1) The metal bit that sticks forward out of the handlepost. I realized that this is there to connect it to the bike when folded.
2) The top part of the rear triangle isn't a straight line from the seatpost down to the rear wheel.
3) The stand for when the rear triangle just seems out of place.

I never have kickstands on my bike. I'm either on the bike and don't need a kickstand, or the bike is locked up to something and (as well) I don't need kickstand. I guess a kickstand would be great on a crime free salt flat or something.

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Old 12-18-17, 06:52 PM
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349 wheels, and the bike is under 20 lbs, fantastic! I really like the PakiT.

Three things bother me about the PakiT
1) The metal bit that sticks forward out of the handlepost. I realized that this is there to connect it to the bike when folded.
2) The top part of the rear triangle isn't a straight line from the seatpost down to the rear wheel.
3) The stand for when the rear triangle just seems out of place.

I never have kickstands on my bike. I'm either on the bike and don't need a kickstand, or the bike is locked up to something and (as well) I don't need kickstand. I guess a kickstand would be great on a crime free salt flat or something.
So the kickstand - it's a love/hate relationship. Your pants will catch it, your feet might hit it. But being able to just swing the rear wheel under and the bike is stable and parked is awesome. I did it multiple times today when I was out holiday shopping. I paid for a lot of customization so I am NOT leaving this bike locked up anywhere. I can take it in stores and park it in 1/3 space than the bike normally takes, or I can fully quickfold it and rest it on the stand. I am still seeking good alternatives (considering click stand) but not sure I will find one. I don't carry a lock with me at all now (that's 5 lbs off me and the bike).

All BF have an off center rear triangle due to the fold. When I first bought my NWT (used) I sent them a picture and asked if the frame was bent, lol. It's not something you are aware of at all when riding and it works fine for folding.

The metal pin that sticks out of the stem - would have been better if it was a black piece of metal. It is what it is, kind of dorky, but it works quickly and well to attach the stem/bars to the bike when you fold it.
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So the kickstand - it's a love/hate relationship. Your pants will catch it, your feet might hit it. But being able to just swing the rear wheel under and the bike is stable and parked is awesome. I did it multiple times today when I was out holiday shopping. I paid for a lot of customization so I am NOT leaving this bike locked up anywhere. I can take it in stores and park it in 1/3 space than the bike normally takes, or I can fully quickfold it and rest it on the stand. I am still seeking good alternatives (considering click stand) but not sure I will find one. I don't carry a lock with me at all now (that's 5 lbs off me and the bike).

All BF have an off center rear triangle due to the fold. When I first bought my NWT (used) I sent them a picture and asked if the frame was bent, lol. It's not something you are aware of at all when riding and it works fine for folding.

The metal pin that sticks out of the stem - would have been better if it was a black piece of metal. It is what it is, kind of dorky, but it works quickly and well to attach the stem/bars to the bike when you fold it.
Is it about time for a new update on this bike? How are the two of you getting on (bike and you)?

I read about snow far south in the US and frozen reptiles dropping from trees... Are you affected?
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Old 01-06-18, 07:21 PM
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Is it about time for a new update on this bike? How are the two of you getting on (bike and you)?

I read about snow far south in the US and frozen reptiles dropping from trees... Are you affected?
I live in the SF Bay Area so none of the crazy weather affects me; perfect biking location =). Today was a very sunny 60-ish.

So update: the bike had one issue. the stem qr clamp is threaded and I do not have the hand strength to fully close it tightly enough in a position where it doesn't abut the frame. A stronger person could snug it down a bit more and clear the frame and probably close it just fine, but not me. After explaining to BF, they agreed that using a threaded QR meant it was not possible to guarantee the location of the QR lever position when snug, so they are making me a new stem clamp that is unthreaded and somewhat different in design. It should get to me Wednesday according to UPS.

Aside from that...every day I love this bike more. My concern about the 16" tires was unnecessary; the bike rides and rolls wonderfully on kojaks with the velocity A23 rims. I actually notice bumps less than on my NWT, but I credit the Fizik saddle for part of that. The saddle has flexible "wings" which work better for me than the Brooks hammock effect.
Zero butt pain. It feels like I'm going faster than I am, perhaps due to the lighter weight. It's super fun to corner really fast, but I do have to watch out because of the rear der being closer to the ground than on my NWT. Poor NWT hasn't been ridden since I got the pakiT :-(.

Folding: I've gotten much better at it, found I don't bother to rotate the front wheel for the quick fold as it really doesn't make a big difference. I have no problem carrying the bike (it's soooo light!) and it also fits easily in a shopping cart with my burley travoy on the lower tray, so I have been making Costco runs on it, too. I can fold/unfold the bike and the burley travoy in less than a minute.

Advantages: not having to take a lock, not having to think about where to lock, not having to plan out everything ahead to make sure I will be able to secure the bike. On longer rides I've folded it and taken it into bathroom stalls with me, no problem =). I've used it to ride places I would never have gone on a bike before (due to theft or vandalism concerns) and just taken it in (movie theater, etc.).

Disadvantages: Mostly related to unfamiliarity... I've smashed the seatpost endcap from dropping it down too hard when folding (BF is sending me a couple extra in my parts box). I've not gotten the hang of rolling on one wheel yet. And I am still getting used to riding out of the saddle on it - it's quite easy to throw it around a bit much when climbing.

Overall - I definitely made the right decision. The bike looks a little gangly when folded compared to the Brommie, but it rides fantastically and fits me just right and it is much lighter weight. It's even lighter than the titanium 2 speed I tested out. And I've not had any more issues with the kickstand, now that I use a pant strap on both legs.

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Right side up on my computer as well. Nice!
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I was not and have not been enthralled with the Brooks Cambium. Looks great on the Brommie but I have been underwhelmed. You can see the Brooks in my avatar. I hate when my experiences with products never match the hype of the majority. Which FiZit did you purchase?
Love the handlebars.

Do you use the sleeve for carrying?
My brooks is a b17s and it took forever to break in, painfully, but it's fine on my New World Tourist now. However, it weighs a ton and the Fizik is less than half the weight and is actually more comfortable for me. I got the Fizik women's Luce with manganese rails. The seat design and the rail material both absorb shock really well. And yes, I carry the bike by the handle. It's actually a handle designed for Brompton but works fine on the pakiT.
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Yes. I today finally dedicated the time and removed the Brooks Cambium. I was determined NOT to have to take it to a bike shop and pay someone--I am all thumbs so it took me a while but I did get it and put on the Brompton wide seat I ordered. It feels much better. Me and the Cambium just were not getting along. I could move the Cambium to my old Raleigh Grand Prix single speed but truly the Cambium was an ouchie.

I looked into the FizIt Luce. I may consider it for a future folding bike.
Glad you found something comfortable. Saddles and rumps are not always easy to match and Brooks may be great for a lot of people, but if it doesn't hit you right, you won't ride for very long. Always worth it to get something that feels right, and you can always sell your Brooks - good used market.
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Your post caused me to spend about an hour lurking and tiddling around on the Bike Friday website. The simplicity of this e-pakiT (even with the thick cables throughout the frame) is to die for. I really like what they did here. The video on the website is very enticing. Did you consider electrifying your pakiT?
When, and if, it ever comes I am a backer of something called the ShareRoller. It's a modular e-bike system, friction drive, that works wonderfully on brompton and other e-bikes as well as city share bikes. Mine will weight 4.5 pounds in cluding batteries, have a bluetooth throttle controller (no wires), and a 25 mile range. there are versions with much longer range but I don't need it. It looks like this: https://static1.squarespace.com/stat...if?format=500w Click on video to make it run.
Here's a great video of the BF e-pakiT:
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I have seen several of these friction style concepts on Kickstarter. I read the frictions never work and tear up the tires rather quickly.

How long have you waited?
I had been interested in his first version and missed backing the next set but was able to buy out a backer a couple months ago. His first iteration did not wear tires much faster than normal and worked pretty well. I don't ride in the rain so even if there is a slippage issue (which he has apparently addressed) it wouldn't bother me. It's the only solution that lets me ride my bike without any added weight at all unless I decide to attach the ShareRoller. I don't want a dedicated e-bike (had one) and only intend infrequent use for specific purposes (pulling my trailer when I get 40 lbs of dog food or riding one very hilly route I sometimes take). It makes my BF a 23-24 pound e-bike, lol.
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That is a seriously nice looking bike.
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When, and if, it ever comes I am a backer of something called the ShareRoller. It's a modular e-bike system, friction drive, that works wonderfully on brompton and other e-bikes as well as city share bikes. Mine will weight 4.5 pounds in cluding batteries, have a bluetooth throttle controller (no wires), and a 25 mile range. there are versions with much longer range but I don't need it. It looks like this: https://static1.squarespace.com/stat...if?format=500w Click on video to make it run.
Here's a great video of the BF e-pakiT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtDn56TzGTk&t=86s
I fear this film is "simplyfyed" to the border of dishonesty. Installing a front wheel with a hub motor and getting the wires right and the nuts tight enough is NOT that fast and easy. Also I fear that disasembeling and asembeling it again and again is going to wear the components down fast. I`d go for one of the newer crank drives or personally I would go for a friction drive. Hb motor only if I was mainly riding the bike, not fully folding it often.
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I fear this film is "simplyfyed" to the border of dishonesty. Installing a front wheel with a hub motor and getting the wires right and the nuts tight enough is NOT that fast and easy. Also I fear that disasembeling and asembeling it again and again is going to wear the components down fast. I`d go for one of the newer crank drives or personally I would go for a friction drive. Hb motor only if I was mainly riding the bike, not fully folding it often.
I think you are being misled by the fact that he uses the backpack. Hardly anyone who bought a pakiT bought the backpack; it's a royal pain. The e-bike, just like the regular bike, can be quick folded into a pretty small package to be taken around. You don't have to remove the front wheel or the electronics for that. Now, if you want to travel and fly with it, yes, you would have to disassemble....but you have to do that with the BF travel bikes (20") also. It's something you would do somewhat infrequently. And in any case, the connections are designed to be removed and put back on - the company that makes the BF e bike kit is Grin Technologies in Canada and they make all kinds of e bike kits and know exactly how to manufacturer them. They even offer aftermarket e bike kits for the 20" bike friday bikes. Having the ebike kit makes the pakiT no more difficult to transport or deal with than the regular bike. I carry mine using a brompton style handle. The BF ebike version is still incredibly light weight and easy to carry, and you can fit it into the Tikit shoulder bag or many other carry bags without removing the wheel. Dunno what BF was thinking with that backpack (not strong enough to check and fly, too big and bulky). Hope that helps it make more sense to you. Backpack = stupid.
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Nothing to do with the backpack, when I started reading your post I was totally confused about you explaining about the backpack .

Nothing to do with the actual Packit bike, I have accepted that this is a great bike if this is the bike you want/need. It is a BF after all...

It was about the speed they show on the film installing that front wheel and the electric kit. For us who have done this (several times) there is no way most folding bike riders can do that this quick and easy! Peopel complain about remowing the wheels on IGH bikes for gxxxs sake!! I can see a lot of peopel being stuck on the airport on that beautiful place

Also I still doubt that kit is fit for regular use of the kind that film shows.

I realise I should have gone much more into detail on my first comment (not to upset you and other packit lovers ) but my reaction was quite spontaneus and I was too quick to write.
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About the KS issues.. turn it 90 degrees, to not kick it pedaling ? turn it back cross-ways when the rear wheel fold is planned?

As a Mechanic I can easily imagine how that could be done.. but I don't even live in Eugene any more..






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About the KS issues.. turn it 90 degrees, to not kick it pedaling ? turn it back cross-ways when the rear wheel fold is planned?
You cannot turn the kickstand. It's actually not an issue for me anymore, as some other pakit owners have said - use a pant strap on both legs and you adjust to it being there. I haven't hit it in a week or so now. and the little rubber ends are still on!
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IDK.. I adapted to my Brompton with the frame EZ wheels 14cm apart.. but I won't knock a cap off, if I do..
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Nothing to do with the backpack, when I started reading your post I was totally confused about you explaining about the backpack .

Nothing to do with the actual Packit bike, I have accepted that this is a great bike if this is the bike you want/need. It is a BF after all...

It was about the speed they show on the film installing that front wheel and the electric kit. For us who have done this (several times) there is no way most folding bike riders can do that this quick and easy! Peopel complain about remowing the wheels on IGH bikes for gxxxs sake!! I can see a lot of peopel being stuck on the airport on that beautiful place

Also I still doubt that kit is fit for regular use of the kind that film shows.

I realise I should have gone much more into detail on my first comment (not to upset you and other packit lovers ) but my reaction was quite spontaneus and I was too quick to write.
Maybe they sped the video up a bit, I don't know. But the whole thing is unnecessary anyway. BF isn't actively promoting the backpack anymore, quick fold in a traditional carry bag eliminates removing anything since it still weighs so little. Packs quick folded into standard BF suitcase without removing the wheel for travel, too. Only time anything would need to be disconnected is if you fly (separate battery per airline requirements). That video came out pretty early on and I think things have evolved past that "backpack" point to much simpler processes.
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Linberl, you mentioned you brought your Pakit into the theater. I'm surprised that was kosher--I understood theaters do not allow it. Fear of obstruction in an emergency or something along those lines.
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Linberl, you mentioned you brought your Pakit into the theater. I'm surprised that was kosher--I understood theaters do not allow it. Fear of obstruction in an emergency or something along those lines.
quickfolded it is not a problem; smaller than a walker, which is allowed. much smaller than a stroller (also allowed once folded). it is my personal mobility device, lol. It's only 10" in depth so it can fit right in front of my seat against the seatback of the row ahead and still room for my (short) legs.
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quickfolded it is not a problem; smaller than a walker, which is allowed. much smaller than a stroller (also allowed once folded). it is my personal mobility device, lol. It's only 10" in depth so it can fit right in front of my seat against the seatback of the row ahead and still room for my (short) legs.
That's fantastic and I have to remember the PMD defense if I ever go the tiny folding bike route. I probably should stop reading this thread or my credit card is going to see a big debit on it...Holding out for the utopian bikeshare world that I will live in.
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