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Old 02-05-18, 11:16 AM   #51
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It's purely a personal reaction but when I look at the Curl, I think of Quasimodo.
Exactly waht I was thinking.

Is there an engineering reason why the back bone is so hunched?

I can overlook that if there is a good mechanical reason for it.
Perhaps it allows for smaller fold?
Or easier to carry?
But if it's purely athestic...then it failed for me.

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Old 02-06-18, 05:29 AM   #52
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Please don't come here and tell us an owner review of a bicycle is biased because they own the bike. It's insulting.
It's actually born out by evidence though. Often satisfaction survey's conflict with actual factual data on reliability for example.

Often people's perceived idea of quality and how they associate with a brand are X factors to how they feel about their purchase. If you convince someone a product is high quality they can believe a unreliable product is actually reliable compared to other products which they will perceive as worse even if they are not.

https://motorbikewriter.com/what-are...e-motorcycles/

We all have bias, normally if you have a wide range of reviews of owners or you have professional reviews from people who have tested a wide range of similar products you can get a better picture.

At the moment its a struggle to find any reviews of the Curl to get any sort of fair assessment, either professional or end use. These will come I'm sure. I'm seeing comments on forums which I have to say have been overall negative in tone in my opinion either because of poor construction, ride quality or thoughts on excessive pricing.
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It's actually born out by evidence though. Often satisfaction survey's conflict with actual factual data on reliability for example.

Often people's perceived idea of quality and how they associate with a brand are X factors to how they feel about their purchase. If you convince someone a product is high quality they can believe a unreliable product is actually reliable compared to other products which they will perceive as worse even if they are not.

https://motorbikewriter.com/what-are...e-motorcycles/

We all have bias, normally if you have a wide range of reviews of owners or you have professional reviews from people who have tested a wide range of similar products you can get a better picture.

At the moment its a struggle to find any reviews of the Curl to get any sort of fair assessment, either professional or end use. These will come I'm sure. I'm seeing comments on forums which I have to say have been overall negative in tone in my opinion either because of poor construction, ride quality or thoughts on excessive pricing.
I've seen a hundred owner reviews of Bromptons which mention issues like weak brakes, difficult rear wheel removal, excess weight, funky shifters (pre-2017), limited tire selection, etc. And this is from Brommie fans who love their bikes. It's absurd to propose to this forum that a Dahon Curl owner can't objectively judge the ride, construction and folding on the merits. Which you confessed to by admitting you're interested in Amazon owner reviews!
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I've seen a hundred owner reviews of Bromptons which mention issues like weak brakes, difficult rear wheel removal, excess weight, funky shifters (pre-2017), limited tire selection, etc. And this is from Brommie fans who love their bikes. It's absurd to propose to this forum that a Dahon Curl owner can't objectively judge the ride, construction and folding on the merits. Which you confessed to by admitting you're interested in Amazon owner reviews!
It is different when you examine a statistics of reviews than when you examine one or so.
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It is different when you examine a statistics of reviews than when you examine one or so.
Oh, so then it's ok to come here and accuse one Curl owner of bias for being happy with the bike. That's ridiculous.
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Joe, this is not an existential issue. We are just talking about bikes that we might like more or less
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Joe, this is not an existential issue. We are just talking about bikes that we might like more or less
It's an issue if we're now going to discount forum comments about personal experience as "biased".
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I'm thinking that the people who tell me Brompton got it right with the 6 speed, but their experience with the Sturmey-Archer or Shimano 8 speed hubs being no good on a Brompton is correct are biased. Seems to me it's biased if people here disagree, and they've used or owned a bike, but NOT biased for the sake of their argument/discussion.

Now a Curl owner giving a review is biased,...rediculous!!!
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Ugh...this is starting to sound like politics. Let's just acknowledge that everyone is biased in one way or another. Read reviews for what they're worth. They all add to a comprehensive picture.

Dang it....now I sound like a moderator!
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You're correct though,...this place is becoming a sparring arena.
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You either love it or hate it

The Brompton looks a bit old fashion compared to the Dahon. Despite the strange curve, the frame has more detailing and design features, esp where the front fork and head tube meets. Pity it isnt lighter.
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A sect...

a fundamental problem is that a few here do not suffer criticism, objective or subjective, of their beloved Brompton gladly. In their haste to stamp out criticism, it does not occur to them that they too may be biased. at times it is like the Inquisition around here.


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The Brompton looks a bit old fashion compared to the Dahon. Despite the strange curve, the frame has more detailing and design features, esp where the front fork and head tube meets. Pity it isnt lighter.
Good comment about weight but my comment here is about the frame.

What I see is that the Curve is there to allow the triangle brackets to extend completely around the wheel while not projecting into the crank area.

The Triangle Brackets are a major stiffening element to the Curl Frame (maybe also some of the weight added too).

I do find it a striking shape myself... But while we are talking of "similar" designs. Look at this pic I see of the Hummigbird that is coming out. Damn arched shape almost copies the Curl more than a Brompton. Seems an interesting bike but probably deserves its own thread.
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Is there an engineering reason why the back bone is so hunched?
The main frame pretty much wraps around the rear tire in the folded position, but you're welcome to sketch on this picture where you think the main frame should be instead.

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The main frame pretty much wraps around the rear tire in the folded position, but you're welcome to sketch on this picture where you think the main frame should be instead.

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What is going on with the saddle in this post?
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i'm seeing comments on forums which i have to say have been overall negative in tone in my opinion...
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What is going on with the saddle in this post?
Dahon experimented with several alternative seat post designs during the development of the Curl. This was a 'side folding' seat post. The production version uses a double collapsing seat post that results in a smaller overall fold.
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The main frame pretty much wraps around the rear tire in the folded position, but you're welcome to sketch on this picture where you think the main frame should be instead.

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The interesting question is why the Brompton does not need this hump though both bikes have tires of the same size.
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Cool pic with the Cappuccino.
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The interesting question is why the Brompton does not need this hump though both bikes have tires of the same size.
Hint: Check out the racks.
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Cool pic with the Cappuccino.
Not my pic; found that on a forum, posted by the owner. Here's my Curl:

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nice rack!

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What's the verdict? Is this a better than the Brompton? Who wins?
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Both are winners as long as you ride it.
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