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Old 02-07-18, 03:23 PM
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Yeah, okay, sure, but I worked through the 'custom Brompton Bike Builder' on both the Brompton USA and NYCE Bikes websites and got a price for an M6L+luggage block, like the sub-$1300 black one available through REI, but with the only custom specification being a different color of paint. On both websites I came up with a quoted price of:

$2010!

So now we're down to everyone's personal definition of 'slightly more'.
I do not know what exactly you have been doing but I just configured a colorful steel Brompton M6L (in green and berry crush ) with Carrier Block via the bikebuilder on the Bromton.com website (country switched to US) and ended up with:

Total RRP:
$ 1524.01

Which is 0.99$ below what REI is charging for a black one, obviously w/o the REI cashback-scheme. At Nycewheels com they sell the M6L for 1499$ in various colors. What have I done wrong?

Regarding the "sub 1300$" M6L from REI: They sell it for 1525 and say you'll typically get back 10% after the end of the year as a REI member which would then bring you down to 1378$, but with a delay. How would you get lower? At least in Europe you may be able to get a 10% discount during the off-season for stock bikes even with normal shops - is this different in the US?
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Old 02-07-18, 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by dancier View Post
Just noticed REI have three Brompton prices listed. M6L = $1525, M6R = $1660 and the H6R = $1989. They make the Tern link D8 @ $750, look like a bargain. It'll be win, win for Brompton with all this exposure.
Well, the M6L is obviously double of what the Tern D8 is. If the Tern IS a bargain in comparison depends from your needs and from what you expect from your bike. It may be or not. I you need the smallest fold or want custom colors or like the luggage system or want a steel bike or like a classic or desire dynamo lights or high resale value then the Tern is probably not for you. If you want a reasonably cheap bike with derailleur that is foldable and brings you around town then it may be. The Brompton is not cheap, has never been and will probably never be. I does not even want to. It is a premium product and complaining about that makes as much sense as to complain that a BMW is more expensive than a Ford. The Ford will bring you from A to B as well and reliable as a BMW in many if not most cases (and maybe sometimes even better), still there are a lot of people buying BMWs, Jaguars, Mercedeses or Rolls Royce. Or Minis for that matter. It is a different product. There is no obligation to buy one if you think it is too expensive or does not fit your needs. And as long as the same people that spend thousands of Dollars extra for shiny alloy wheels for their cars complain about a couple of hundred dollars for a bike something seems to be wrong in the matrix.
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Old 02-07-18, 04:09 PM
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Regarding the "sub 1300$" M6L from REI: They sell it for 1525 and say you'll typically get back 10% after the end of the year as a REI member which would then bring you down to 1378$, but with a delay. How would you get lower? At least in Europe you may be able to get a 10% discount during the off-season for stock bikes even with normal shops - is this different in the US?
If you buy it using an REI/US Bank credit card then you get an additional 5% refund bringing the net price down to just under $1300.
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Old 02-08-18, 02:54 AM
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It is a premium product and complaining about that makes as much sense as to complain that a BMW is more expensive than a Ford.
Not sure I was complaining, but being tall I'd have to pay a premium to ride a Brompton. I've thought about buying one for multi-modal transport. The Tern D8 is nearly there, it's not bad for a tall person, but being a centre fold it wouldn't be as compact. A friend gave me a cheap folding bike, but it'd be equivalent to your Ford car analogy, lots of them made, probably by Fuji-ta. The Tern is more upmarket, look at the components, and that's where Brompton will struggle in the future because even the cheapies are coming out with some pretty stunning gear, just look through Alibaba.
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You can convert a Brompton so it accommodates taller cyclists better. Also, so far the Brompton fold is pretty much unequalled, and the support equally so.

Having just looked at a Tern, while it is a folding bike, when folded it looks still pretty big and not really one you'd take with you everywhere, as you can the Brompton. It looks like, as with so many, it is in the occasional folder class.

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You can convert a Brompton so it accommodates taller cyclists better. Also, so far the Brompton fold is pretty much unequalled, and the support equally so.

Having just looked at a Tern, while it is a folding bike, when folded it looks still pretty big and not really one you'd take with you everywhere, as you can the Brompton. It looks like, as with so many, it is in the occasional folder class.
My bike friday pakit goes everywhere with me. I don't even own a bike lock anymore (gave it to my son). The bike and I have been to movie theaters, the dentist and doctor, Costco, Trader Joe, various retail stores, multiple coffee shops and cafes, and in Uber cars and on public transit. I even took it to a rather nice restaurant (entrees start at $30) and they kindly put it in their locked office while I dined. Definitely not in the occasional folder class. Birdy folds very well, too. And eventually there will be the Helix (someday, lol).
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My bike friday pakit goes everywhere with me. I don't even own a bike lock anymore (gave it to my son). The bike and I have been to movie theaters, the dentist and doctor, Costco, Trader Joe, various retail stores, multiple coffee shops and cafes, and in Uber cars and on public transit. I even took it to a rather nice restaurant (entrees start at $30) and they kindly put it in their locked office while I dined. Definitely not in the occasional folder class. Birdy folds very well, too. And eventually there will be the Helix (someday, lol).
I offer my personal guarantee that you'll get your Helix.
And if the worst happens (factory stuck by meteor), then
I'll post you a picture of a refund.
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I offer my personal guarantee that you'll get your Helix.
And if the worst happens (factory stuck by meteor), then
I'll post you a picture of a refund.
I'm not a backer of the helix. I just mentioned it as an example of a great folding design. I have been reading the thread religiously, though, it's very entertaining.
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The offer still stands.
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My bike friday pakit goes everywhere with me. I don't even own a bike lock anymore (gave it to my son). The bike and I have been to movie theaters, the dentist and doctor, Costco, Trader Joe, various retail stores, multiple coffee shops and cafes, and in Uber cars and on public transit. I even took it to a rather nice restaurant (entrees start at $30) and they kindly put it in their locked office while I dined. Definitely not in the occasional folder class. Birdy folds very well, too. And eventually there will be the Helix (someday, lol).


Curious as to why you chose the Pakit over a Brompton? Faced with the same dilemma here... Thanks in advance.
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Curious as to why you chose the Pakit over a Brompton? Faced with the same dilemma here... Thanks in advance.
It is not that I didn't want a brompton, I did. Super cute! But - bromptons have limited fit adjustments and the frame length is one size. Dealers could not get it to fit me well, using any of their handlebar or seatpost options. There were after-market products which MIGHT have worked, but no way I'm paying 2 grand for a bike that doesn't fit from the start and taking a chance on paying more later on to find out it still didn't fit me. The dealer used a device to move the seat forward and that messed up my knee position. He rotated the various bars back and that impacted steering.
The pakiT, otoh, has multiple frame sizes and can be properly fit (not just with tweaks that may negatively impact the geometry) to anyone. I sent my personal and current bike dimensions and got a dialed-in bike.
I gave up a bit of compact folding for proper fit and ride quality and also got a bike with 8 gears that weighed a good 7+ pounds less than the brompton with 6 gears.
If the brompton had fit me well, I would have purchased a 2 speed titanium model with S bars as I do carry my bike around a lot. I would have made up for the lack of gearing by putting a motor on it at some point. I still think they are absolutely adorable and am looking for a used single speed to fix up for my millennial son who doesn't own a car. He is tall and it would fit him fine and give him an option for riding to movies and the pubs instead of locking up his road bike.

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It is not that I didn't want a brompton, I did. Super cute! But - bromptons have limited fit adjustments and the frame length is one size. Dealers could not get it to fit me well, using any of their handlebar options. There were after-market products which MIGHT have worked, but no way I'm paying 2 grand for a bike that doesn't fit from the start and taking a chance on paying more later on to find out it still didn't fit me.
The pakiT, otoh, has multiple frame sizes and can be properly fit (not just with tweaks that may negatively impact the geometry) to anyone. I sent my personal and current bike dimensions and got a dialed-in bike.
I gave up a bit of compact folding for proper fit and ride quality and also got a bike with 8 gears that weighed a good 7+ pounds less than the brompton with 6 gears.
If the brompton had fit me well, I would have purchased a 2 speed titanium model with S bars as I do carry my bike around a lot. I would have made up for the lack of gearing by putting a motor on it at some point. I still think they are absolutely adorable and am looking for a used single speed to fix up for my millennial son who doesn't own a car. He is tall and it would fit him fine and give him an option for riding to movies and the pubs instead of locking up his road bike.


Thanks for the detailed info! I'll check them out... I just really like the compact fold of the Brompton.
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Thanks for the detailed info! I'll check them out... I just really like the compact fold of the Brompton.
It's all about what is a priority for you. I would suggest checking out the Birdy if fold matters a lot to you. Nearly as compact as the Brompton, but a much better ride imo.
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I have both; Brompton(two of them) and a pakiT.
Thing I don't like about the Bromptons: price, weight, non standard parts(der., hub, caliper, etc.).
Some things I like about the Brompton: small fold, front luggage system, lots of aftermarket option/support(NOV, Bikegang, H & H, etc.), parts backwards compatibility, pretty rugged. Over a dozen flights, light off roading with slick tires:
Things I don't like with the pakiT: folded size, folding pattern(need to take bar mast, seatpost & wheel off for smallest fold).
Some things that I like: price is more reasonable, weight, custom sizing, standard parts(der, hub, caliper, stem, etc.).
Some side by side comparison:
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I have both; Brompton(two of them) and a pakiT.
Thing I don't like about the Bromptons: price, weight, non standard parts(der., hub, caliper, etc.).
Some things I like about the Brompton: small fold, front luggage system, lots of aftermarket option/support(NOV, Bikegang, H & H, etc.), parts backwards compatibility, pretty rugged. Over a dozen flights, light off roading with slick tires:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNuu...6zPoymgKaIoDLA
Things I don't like with the pakiT: folded size, folding pattern(need to take bar mast, seatpost & wheel off for smallest fold).
Some things that I like: price is more reasonable, weight, custom sizing, standard parts(der, hub, caliper, stem, etc.).
Some side by side comparison:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm1R...6zPoymgKaIoDLA


WOW! Very useful. Thanks! Based on my needs, I think the Brompton is best... I need a compact, easy fold since I'll be mostly using to take into coffee shops...
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Originally Posted by Caliwild View Post
WOW! Very useful. Thanks! Based on my needs, I think the Brompton is best... I need a compact, easy fold since I'll be mostly using to take into coffee shops...
FYI, for coffee shops one does not need to remove wheels or seatpost or stemmast on the pakiT. The quick fold can be done in less than 20 seconds and fits under every coffee shop table I have found. But you still might prefer the brompton...
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The Brompton has the smallest fold out there, at least, from what I've seen That is extremely useful if you take your bike onto trains, aeroplanes into cafés, into the office etc, not to mention into the metro and/or buses if required. It isn't light, but boy does it score for convenience.
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REI Brommie Customizations

I was trying to get a used Brommie, but it fell through, so I decided to look into purchasing a Brommie from REI. I talked with their bike guy and he said that if the customizations don’t cost more, you can get it, but it will come from the factory and you will have to pay the shipping costs since it is not coming from a REI warehouse. I want the -12% gearing and, which is why I inquired.
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I want the -12% gearing and, which is why I inquired.
REI Brompton + $20, 44T 130 BCD chainring. Doesn't bode well that REI's 'bike guy' couldn't suggest this.
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Once a year I think, REI sends out a 20% off coupon to members.

Other than that; I don't see the allure of buying a Brompton from
REI insted of an established Brompton dealer.
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The allure is the cost. I have a $1000 REI gift card that I won in a raffle a while ago and I’m a member; so, I will get a dividend back. So, for about $600 I’ll get a brand new Brommie

I will end up spending more or the “Clever Cycles” upgrade to a 9-speed, than the cost of the bike ( by the way, thanks for that advice Berlinonaut). All this is a no brainer. About the only decision I’ll have to make is whether to get the -12% gearing and upgrade to 9sp or go stock and then the upgrade. But, I have several months to worry about it/my purchase date,
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REI is carrying a few Brompton accessories too, including a few Brompton bags (T, C, basket, and the B bag) and their taillight. The REI member 20% off coupon typically comes around this time of the year, so could make for some good discounts if you know exactly what you want.
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There's a shop near me that sells cargo bikes and bromptons, he opened about a year ago. Great shop, great guy. The REI (of which I am an original member) is less than half a mile away. This is definitely going to hurt his business. Wouldn't be surprised to see him either dump Brompton or cut his stock to exclude the REI models and similar. I know he wasn't expecting this :-(.
+1

Brompton seems to be always looking for extra sales since they have a massive overhead. They can't keep raising the price and are now forced to find national distributors undercutting their local bike shops. I can see this working against Brompton in the future.
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Can you link to some details of the « massive overhead », or is this merely your opinion posing as fact.

By the way only isn’t just Brompton looking for extra sales, but every company on the planet. That’s how the system works.
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REI is carrying a few Brompton accessories too, including a few Brompton bags (T, C, basket, and the B bag) and their taillight. The REI member 20% off coupon typically comes around this time of the year, so could make for some good discounts if you know exactly what you want.
Cool. They must have just added them.
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