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Old 02-09-18, 08:20 PM
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Old 02-09-18, 08:21 PM
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Avole, the new folding bike forum troll.
That's not really fair. He has a personal opinion as do those who debate him. And as far as I can tell, has remained polite/respectful.

Touring means different things to different people. Jur has done some amazing tours on his small wheeled folders.
Jur's cycling photo albums/photo essays

Apparently Avole has as well on traditional touring rigs.

This has been a pretty good discussion .. Reppans packing his Brompton through the woods for his touring adventure, opened my eyes some as to what can make for a touring rig.
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Originally Posted by Abu Mahendra View Post
With its longer wheelbase, longer chainstays and bosses/eyelets galore, the LHT is closer to a tourer. Among Surleys, it is the Straggler that's closer to a so-called gravel bike. 'Gravel' can be thought of as Cyclocross Plus. I am aiming to buil a Straggler this year once the 2018 model in Blueberry arrives here.
Yes, you are correct. I tend to oversimplified the term 'gravel bike' to encompass everything from quick handling CX bikes to stable tourers as long as they have drop bars, and clearance for wider off-road capable tires. My Tricross was designed as do-it-all bike with a relatively upright riding position and relaxed geometry between that of a CX bike and true tourer, and it does have standard mounting points for front and rear racks and fenders.

In any case for us small-wheeled fans, I think riding any full sized bike, regardless of geometry, will feel like a truck/touring bike .
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Old 02-10-18, 06:37 AM
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Who is making a negative claim?? You misunderstand.

Also, because one person has toured on a folding bike really proves nothing. I mean, I have too, but it isn't the perfect tool for touring, you'd have to admit.
I've seen many comments on touring with folding bikes and generally they have been very positive but maybe I'm missing your point somehow. I've seen people comment on touring with Bromptons across Asia, taking on buses and trains, storing in their hotel room and riding great distances through amazing countryside etc. It sounded like the perfect way to tour to me. I guess they weren't the fastest bikes or the strongest but the convenience seemed amazing and a full sized rigid bike with the much greater inconvenience seemed like the compromise.

Also if you want a bike they whole family can use and quickly adapted to rider height etc then a normal rigid bike is the compromise or you want a bike that can be easily stored or transported then the normal bike etc is the compromise.

I guess there are compromises everywhere when you think about it but a folding bike may be the least compromised for many uses.

I remember reading about a teacher whose bikes were constantly stolen at School until he finally settled on the cheapest nastiest low end bike he could get his hands on, made it look as horrible as possible and upgraded a few key parts just to keep it reliable. At the time of writing which was a few years ago it had not been stolen so he got to ride everyday without issue which benefited his health and wealth plus he enjoyed riding. The right bike for him was actually the wrong bike for most people.
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Old 02-10-18, 11:15 AM
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As I've said,I have toured with the Brompton, for most of the reasons you say. However, I've also taken my road/touring bike and from the riding speed, comfort and loading point of view it wins hands down. That includes covering some of the same terrain in Oz, especially close to the great divide whear a large gear range is a virtual must.

I can sympathise with the teacher, by the way. My superb Trek was stolen in Holland, even though I'd used several chains and had only popped into a shop for 5 minutes to get some water. I replaced with a bright purple and silver cheapo Peugeot for exactly the same reason as the teacher, and, 15 years later, the bike, never locked in its entire life, is still with me. Don't use it much now, but will dig it out this summer as it is great on unmade roads and forest tracks.
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As I've said,I have toured with the Brompton, for most of the reasons you say. However, I've also taken my road/touring bike and from the riding speed, comfort and loading point of view it wins hands down. That includes covering some of the same terrain in Oz, especially close to the great divide whear a large gear range is a virtual must.
The issue is that "your Brompton" does not equal "any folding bike", not even "any Brompton". You just started a thread about after many years you decided to make your Brompton fit your body by buying a longer seat post and different bars. So obviously you have been touring with a bike that did not fit you - no wonder that other bikes have been more comfortable. Has nothing to do with the Brompton being a folding bike or folding bikes in general. Regarding the gears: It is possible to fit different gear setups like Shimano Alfine or a Rohloff hub even to a Brompton aftermarket and many folders offer these already as stock options. So again the issue is the consequence of a semioptimal single decision of your's and has neither any connection to the Brompton or folders in general. And regarding the "is a virtual must": Heins Stücke has been touring with a Sachs 3-speed hub for the most parts of his decade-long bicycle travels. A pretty good proof that material is overrated - it may be more comfy but is by no ways a must. Regarding luggage: When traveling with a Brompton you have to limit luggage to a degree. But on the other hand: The t-bag takes more than 30 liters and a Backpack on the rear carrier takes 50 liters or more - should be sufficent for bicycle travels. And there are other folders on the market that just take the same panniers and bags to the same amount than any full sized bike. Thus again not an issue of the Brompton or folders in general but of your very own decision.

Extrapolating from your experience with a single bike that seems not have been used to it's possiblities as foundation to the claim "folders are no good for touring" is just not valid.
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Old 02-10-18, 01:52 PM
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As I've said,I have toured with the Brompton, for most of the reasons you say. However, I've also taken my road/touring bike and from the riding speed, comfort and loading point of view it wins hands down. That includes covering some of the same terrain in Oz, especially close to the great divide whear a large gear range is a virtual must.

I can sympathise with the teacher, by the way. My superb Trek was stolen in Holland, even though I'd used several chains and had only popped into a shop for 5 minutes to get some water. I replaced with a bright purple and silver cheapo Peugeot for exactly the same reason as the teacher, and, 15 years later, the bike, never locked in its entire life, is still with me. Don't use it much now, but will dig it out this summer as it is great on unmade roads and forest tracks.
I'm curious. Is the brompton the only folding bike you have toured with? Or are there other folders you have toured with (which ones)?
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I travel on very rough roads that would better suited for a mtb.
The Birdy folder has some modest suspension front and rear. I like how it smooths out rough pavement.
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19-113 gear-iches on tap

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...a large gear range is a virtual must...

The bike may have other limitations, but gearing (19-113GI) is not one of them. And it is a folding bike.
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I'm curious. Is the brompton the only folding bike you have toured with? Or are there other folders you have toured with (which ones)?
Interesting and sad you had to ask this.

In fact I tried all the folding bikes in two bicycle shops, but they failed at the first hurdle, the fold. If they didn't fold to the same size as the Brompton, they weren't going to fit in the cupboard where they would be kept, and none did. In fact, some when folded weren't that much smaller than a few of the normal bikes in the shop, which led me to wonder what purpose they were meant to serve. I'd almost given up when one shop owner showed me a picture of a folder that looked like it filled the bill ...

Don't ask me what brands, by the way. Some were Dahons I think, others might have been produced locally.
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My guess is they were all bikes that had hinges in the main frame. You might reconsider if you ever got your hands on a Birdy or a BF...in terms of the ride. The REAL compromise is that you give up a bit of compactness to get a ride equivalent to a traditional bike, but the bike still folds and is easier to travel with than a non-folding bike. And, actually, the Birdy folds down quite compactly and still has a great ride with full suspension. You don't find them sitting in dealer stores, though. Maybe your expectations for the size of your cupboard are unrealistic, lol.
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No, I found a bike.

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How about this?
That's an image that looks like it has a story beyond it with that bull looking straight at the cyclist.

The limited storage capacity doesn't compare to a full size standard bicycle.

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Oh, and these are folders:





Obviously they have limited luggage capacity in comparison to the full size that Bonzo posted...

Regarding the monocycle: It does not fold and has a big wheel - thus it is perfectly suited as a touring bike.
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This is also a non-compromising folder,...I just haven't had the urge to tour.

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I wondered the same thing and fitted one myself. The 8-gear hub that I haed in my steel Brommi was the S/A XRF8w. In theory it sounded like a very good idea, the practice turned out to be different, at least for my taste. Weight is one thing (and a big one), drag is another (also a big one). The third was the shifting. It turned out that the XRF8w needed constant adjustment (and I mean constant!) and quite reliably often missed a gear while riding. Especially the sixth often did not make it. Furthermore it eats shifting cables for breakfast, becoming totally unreliable once it has eaten another one every couple of months. I have another XRF8w in a 20" bike that shows the same behaviour in every aspect, thus it seems not to be a single-hub-event. So from today's perspective I would not buy the hub again and can understand why Brompton did not go down that route.

I've ridden (but not owned) Bromptons that were fitted with a Shimano Nexus premium. Much, much better. Fitting is more complicated and the weight is more or less in the same ballpark. But it has less drag and shifting works totally reliably.
If you still want the S/A 8-speed in your Brompton: There is a kit from Ben Cooper/Kinetics or you can buy the Hub from i.e. SJS and do the rest yourself.
It is funny, I have used both a Nexus 8 and a Sturmey Archer X-RF8w and agree with you. I remember adjusting the Nexus 8
once over 4 or 5 years. The X-RF8, I've just put in my 2nd cable in 6 months. Now granted a cable is cheap and easy to install. The friction and noise of the X-RF8 still bothers me but both have reduced a bit since I've racked up over 5000 kms on it.
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Apropos IGH...

i am in the midst of building my Bali Bambu 26er. The frame has horizontal dropouts so I got to thinking about lacing up a wheel with an IGH. Problem is i font know which IGH meets my requirements:
1. Not insanely heavy
2. Not insanely expensive
3. Range of at least a 11-36 cogset
4. Smooth shifting
5. Efficient, not draggy or friction prone
6. relatively Maintainance free
7. takes disk rotors
8. black color
does such a thing exist?

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It is funny, I have used both a Nexus 8 and a Sturmey Archer X-RF8w and agree with you. I remember adjusting the Nexus 8
once over 4 or 5 years. The X-RF8, I've just put in my 2nd cable in 6 months. Now granted a cable is cheap and easy to install. The friction and noise of the X-RF8 still bothers me but both have reduced a bit since I've racked up over 5000 kms on it.
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Originally Posted by Abu Mahendra View Post
i am in the midst of building my Bali Bambu 26er. The frame has horizontal dropouts so I got to thinking about lacing up a wheel with an IGH. Problem is i font know which IGH meets my requirements:
1. Not insanely heavy
2. Not insanely expensive
3. Range of at least a 11-36 cogset
4. Smooth shifting
5. Efficient, not draggy or friction prone
6. relatively Maintainance free
7. takes disk rotors
8. black color
does such a thing exist?
You must have seen my Shimano Nexus 8 (SG-8R30) vs Sturmey Archer 8 (x-rf8w) vs SRAM i-Motion 3 post last year
SRAM pulls the plug on IGHs

The Nexus was my clear favorite and I think it meets all of your conditions above, except that model I had weighed 2 kg.

I have a Sturmey Archer S-RF5 (w) on my Crius. It isn't made anymore but you can still source them. I haven't put enough km's on it to recommend it or not. Quiet and low friction. Perhaps the shifting isn't the smoothest. There are newer models, but I don't have any experience with them.
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Thanks...

My LBS has the Alfine 8 at 1,680 grams (claimed). I am thinking this laced up with Surly Rabbit Hole rims...

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You must have seen my Shimano Nexus 8 (SG-8R30) vs Sturmey Archer 8 (x-rf8w) vs SRAM i-Motion 3 post last year
SRAM pulls the plug on IGHs

The Nexus was my clear favorite and I think it meets all of your conditions above, except that model I had weighed 2 kg.

I have a Sturmey Archer S-RF5 (w) on my Crius. It isn't made anymore but you can still source them. I haven't put enough km's on it to recommend it or not. Quiet and low friction. Perhaps the shifting isn't the smoothest. There are newer models, but I don't have any experience with them.
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