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Old 02-26-18, 10:43 AM
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Survey - bag for folding bike touring with flight

Is there a need for a better bike padding/protection system to use with folding bikes when touring with air travel?

I've read that some people are comfortable taking the hinge bolts off their Brompton, padding a few selective areas, and then just putting it in a thin bag (e.g. IKEA Dimpa) for checked luggage. I like some extra protection myself, but I don't want to carry a heavy, padded bag, or a yoga mat, etc., while touring. Last time out, I missed my return flight while fiddling with lining my Dimpa bag with cardboard sheets outside the airport. I should have known better, but it took longer than expected. And the whole process of scrounging up cardboard in the morning, strapping it to the bag and bike for the ride to the airport, etc., was a lot of hassle.

I've got an idea for a small, lightweight protection system that can be stashed in the bottom of a touring bag or backpack, and then used to protect the bike for a return flight home, in checked baggage. It would provide much, much better protection than cardboard, but the limitation is that it would be a single-use item. I can make it for about $15 (maybe less with mass production), so selling it for $20 seems realistic. Sorry, no other details to be divulged yet.

Are other people feeling the need for such a system? Or are the people who do similar tours already happy with their setups?
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I have one made of white canvas , sewn by a sailing canvas/ upholstry, etc. shop , for a past owner of my brompton.

can you bubble wrap it?

If you have a derailleur on yours, unscrew it , zip tie it to the wheel.. It wont be causing the RD hanger to get bent..




@ LBS, I help ship mostly regular bikes back when folks end tours on the coast.. in the summer.. pack & ship..





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Thanks for your thoughts!


can you bubble wrap it? In theory. But carrying enough bubble wrap for the return flight would fill a large bag that would have to be carried. Or sourced at the destination and carried to the airport.


If you have a derailleur on yours, unscrew it , zip tie it to the wheel.. It wont be causing the RD hanger to get bent..
Good idea. Usually not a problem with the Brompton, because it sits inside the fold, between the wheels.


@ LBS, I help ship mostly regular bikes back when folks end tours on the coast.. in the summer.. pack & ship..


The idea is for those who would prefer to take the bike home on the flight, and even ride it right to the airport. Shipping is otherwise an option, but then involves being without the bike for some time, and having to make other arrangements to the airport. Similar to the idea of shipping a flight box out to the destination, so it's there for the return flight.
Maybe I'm in a very small minority of people who have this desire. That's what I'm trying to find out.

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If you don't concern yourself with oversize-bag fees, you can just add a bunch of bubble wrap and put the bike in a carry bag. This is not foolproof as baggage handlers seem to take pride in the amount of damage they can inflict on a helpless piece of luggage.
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I toured with regular bikes sorted out the box in the last town I was in.. **

when I rode to the AMS airport, KLM sold me a box for 20 guilders.. (it was pre single currency)

its not an issue with brompton because 1 its a 2 position fork pushing on a flanged pulley, not a protruding derailleur, like da hon..

and

the front wheel comes around the right side and covers the drivetrain....

** some people use the same airport hotel and come back to it, and there may be storage for your box.. with them.





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I use the Green Gear hardshell suitcase & trailer system. Ride to the airport towing the suitcase on the trailer with my other luggage in a carry-on bag inside the suitcase. At the airport I take the trailer apart, fold/disassemble the bike and place both inside the suitcase. Check the suitcase and carry-on the bag with my other luggage.
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I'm very interested. I ultra-light self-supported tour out of the single front T-Bag and haven't considered air travel yet as I just don't trust the gorilla baggage handlers with my Brompton yet. Might feel comfortable with a hard case, but I much prefer to fly into one city and out another. At the moment, I can only imagine dumpster diving for cardboard boxes and building my disposable rig for each air leg.
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The problem with hard cases are they don't tour well, in that they're nigh on impossible to take with you on the bike. I'd go Ikea, with a bit of bubble wrap.
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Seen clever people create a trailer kit to turn their hard case into a trailer, to tow behind them..

Bike Friday of course makes a suitcase trailer kit to do that for their bikes.. made for touring..







one of my friends buys soft sided luggage at a charity shop, adds cardboard , and abandons it , where they land,

does similar for the return.. for their bike friday..






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The problem with hard cases are they don't tour well, in that they're nigh on impossible to take with you on the bike. I'd go Ikea, with a bit of bubble wrap.
The suitcase on a trailer frame is how I carry my touring gear. It is a bit heavier than panniers on a rear rack, but it's still very manageable. Hardly noticeable except when climbing hills and over bumps.
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Too complex for me, I prefer to travel with the minimum. To be honest, the bike is the only thing that goes into the hold, normally I take hand baggage only.
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Seen clever people create a trailer kit to turn their hard case into a trailer, to tow behind them..

Bike Friday of course makes a suitcase trailer kit to do that for their bikes.. made for touring..
Origami has one as well.

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But, unlike yourself, I have no financial interest in mentioning Bike Friday ..
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Hard luggage converted over to a trailer would be a nice solution for a PITA folder like my Dahon Speed P8. This is not really a bike I enjoy using for multi-modal transport, carrying, or taking indoors, and so it gets locked up outside where it's low cost minimizes my theft worries.

For me, a trailer would kill what I enjoy most about the Brompton - it's quick, compact, locking, rolling, and even fun, fold means it usually comes with me, which I prefer considering my investment in bike and camping gear. I've rolled my bike and camping gear for many miles/hours - like a baby stroller carrying my touring pannier - through pedestrian-only parks, malls, stores, zoos, and museums, and it always parks under my restaurant tables. It's also my easiest touring rig to 'backpack' through subways, bushwhack through deep woods to secluded wild camping spots, and I once even hike it all up a 30 story staircase.

A hardcase/trailer = no bueno to any of these options that are relatively unique to ultra-compact Brompton touring. JIMHO/YMMV and all.

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My wife and I have toured extensively using the brompton b-bag supplemented with a thermorest z-lite sol sleeping pad. Two sections cut from the full size pad sit in the bottom of the bag while the remainder wraps around the bike, within the bag giving additional padded protection. Leaving the airport the pad is folded and placed in the bottom of the b-bag which is rolled as normal and then placed on top of the t-bag and we ride out of the airport.
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A hardcase/trailer = no bueno to any of these options that are relatively unique to ultra-compact Brompton touring. JIMHO/YMMV and all.
I am lost in those acronyms, but you can find various Brompton options, if that is the case, by going carefully over this thread.
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Origami has one as well.

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Here's a plug anyway.
I own an Origami trailer kit ,sells for about $89.00.very light weight comes apart and can be put into my B&W hard case along with the Brompton with still room to add items.Best money I ever spent for light weight trailer.
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I own an Origami trailer kit ,sells for about $89.00.very light weight comes apart and can be put into my B&W hard case along with the Brompton with still room to add items.
Did you progress to mount the B&W case onto that kit? If so, how does it hold? Did you need to modify anything?

In my case the Brompton + B&W case + attachments already surpass the airline 23kg/50lbs so I am not looking what to add but what to subtract.
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downtube.com sells a travel case that the owner uses.
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Don't think I'll be buying anything to pack my Brompton for future travels; bag(Ikea, Vincita, B bag, etc.), case(Foldon, Clapton, etc.), special or common padding materials, etc. Have gone on trips with my B many times over the years; just used the original box. No damages, no extra charges, bike + box way under weight limit, free from my dealer(Thanks BFold of NYC!). Traveled this way by cars, trains, planes, buses. NYC to LA; land at LAX - throw out box by airport:
On my way flight back home; make 1 big box out of 2 smaller boxes:
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Did you progress to mount the B&W case onto that kit? If so, how does it hold? Did you need to modify anything?

In my case the Brompton + B&W case + attachments already surpass the airline 23kg/50lbs so I am not looking what to add but what to subtract.

My purpose was to have a system that I could set up to match what style of riding I would be doing,I like to travel as light as I can and did not want to tow a trailer every time.I use the case for shipping the bike and then set up the trailer for the ride to motel, hotel or camp ground.Origami's trailer is to narrow to lay a B&W case between the wheels,so I just put my carry on backpack onto the trailer frame and put the hard case on top of that and strap it down almost three inch above the wheels.It rides well depending on road conditions,etc ,average speed 10to 11mph.I have seen many folks do the same and talking to them they are satisfied with that type of set up.


If you do want to tour with the B&W attached to the frame system you would need to use a one with wider wheels then the Origami,but the Origami is super light and when everything is packed it comes out just under the airline limit. Also,if mine were to go over the limit afew pounds I would just remove my telescope seat post with saddle and stow in my backpack along with other stuff i could cram in my backpack.
Also for those who wish they could just put the B&W onto the bike itself for that quick trip to and from hotel to airport or train station,the answer is yes it can be done and it can be done either front rack or rear rack.I've put mine on my rear rack strapped to the bike cross ways in the vertical way and ridden up to fifteen miles along the beach where I live in prettygood wind.The bike rides well once you get the hang of it.The case does not create much drag going inot a wind and on the reverse trip with a tail wind you fly.
I have seen a quick video of brompton rider in England with his B&W case some how strapped on the front luggage rack at almost a 45 degree angle lean to bring the top edge of the case below the level of the handle bars so he could still steer properly.He did this in a crowded park while also holding another riderless brompton intow with his right hand and steering with his left. Show off!
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I use the case for shipping the bike and then set up the trailer for the ride to motel, hotel or camp ground.Origami's trailer is to narrow to lay a B&W case between the wheels,so I just put my carry on backpack onto the trailer frame and put the hard case on top of that and strap it down almost three inch above the wheels.It rides well depending on road conditions,etc ,average speed 10to 11mph.I have seen many folks do the same and talking to them they are satisfied with that type of set up.
Thanks, this makes sense. I oscillate between loaded and light travel, with loaded being more often the case and few other things in reverse too. My Brompton travels in a soft-sided bag and the folded bag lands on top of a suitcase trailer.

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If you do want to tour with the B&W attached to the frame system you would need to use a one with wider wheels then the Origami,but the Origami is super light and when everything is packed it comes out just under the airline limit. Also,if mine were to go over the limit afew pounds I would just remove my telescope seat post with saddle and stow in my backpack along with other stuff i could cram in my backpack.
In the case of BF trailer kit the axles can be extended as discussed in this thread first posted by @berlinonout;. I considered that route at first but then decided that the B&W suitcase was suboptimal and taking it out of the equation made things easier. My current system works around 2 checked in pieces of luggage. However, it is good to know that one can resort to your type of system when channeled into one piece. How well does your backpack hold on the Origami trailer? One might fear that the front could slip off to one side or another, particularly when hitting a bump or after a prolonged ride.
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https://www.downtube.com/downtube-fo...soft-suitcase/ I've used this for a couple of small trips with a Dahon. Checked bag fee, didn't get docked for oversize (although it technically is). I didn't ride from the airport; but the bag should be bungjiable to the rear rack. I do intend to try that sometime. But I was traveling with others, so they had an uber en route anyway. I rode around the city; but not to the airport.
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. How well does your backpack hold on the Origami trailer? One might fear that the front could slip off to one side or another, particularly when hitting a bump or after a prolonged ride.

My back pack has a flat rigid bottem. .When I first tried it just strapped to the trailer frame it gave alot of problems slideing back and forth,but I soon learned that if I hook the bottem edge behind the axle and secured it well that helped a lot in keeping it stable.The front part I just used bungie cords set up so if it was going to move after a bump there was a strong bungie to counter the movement.On a good road it never seemed to hurt the set up any,but it can happen if you riding a bad road and think you have to go fast.It's just a matter of watching what to avoid on the road and putting an extra strap on mirror for the right side,that way you can tell with one glance if the whole load is riding well.
I did try fixing a small platform onto the trailer frame made of plywood for the back pack to rest on. It worked very well but also added a lot of weight to the total when the B&W is being shipped,so the trips I have made so far I just stick to the strapping methode and stop once and a while to readjust things if need be.
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My back pack has a flat rigid bottem. .When I first tried it just strapped to the trailer frame it gave alot of problems slideing back and forth,but I soon learned that if I hook the bottem edge behind the axle and secured it well that helped a lot in keeping it stable.The front part I just used bungie cords set up so if it was going to move after a bump there was a strong bungie to counter the movement.On a good road it never seemed to hurt the set up any,but it can happen if you riding a bad road and think you have to go fast.It's just a matter of watching what to avoid on the road and putting an extra strap on mirror for the right side,that way you can tell with one glance if the whole load is riding well.
There are times when you might mean to ride and it is raining and is muddy. Obviously it is easier when exposed backpack is higher up and you just need to protect it with a rain cover from water. Bungees, mud and rain cover don't go well together. I presume that you then resort, or intend so, to Uber, like in the case of some company.
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