Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Folding Bikes
Reload this Page >

Giant Halfway - what a weird bike

Notices
Folding Bikes Discuss the unique features and issues of folding bikes. Also a great place to learn what folding bike will work best for your needs.

Giant Halfway - what a weird bike

Old 05-01-18, 04:46 PM
  #1  
Bonzo Banana
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Merry Old England
Posts: 749

Bikes: Muddyfox Evolve 200, Bicycles4u Paris Explorer, Raleigh Twenty Stowaway, Bickerton California, Saracen Xile, Kona Hoss Deluxe, Vertigo Carnaby, Exodus Havoc, Kona Lanai, Revolution Cuillin Sport, Dawes Kingpin, Bickerton, NSU & Elswick Cosmopolitan

Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 285 Post(s)
Liked 21 Times in 17 Posts
Giant Halfway - what a weird bike

Here is a video of one which is very similar to this year's model. I went into my local bike shop today. Basically my car was having an MOT done next door so spent a bit of time browsing. This was the only folding bike I could see although the store is quite large and I didn't see everything.


I guess its obvious looking at the name now but the bike has a single fork and single chainstay and seatstay. No doubt to allow a very slim fold. The bike looks great quality with very good quality welds and finish. The drivetrain is a mixture of good and bad. A Claris derailleur matched to a basic Shimano freewheel. Maybe the freewheel was somehow forced into the mix due to the use of a single chainstay/seatstay. Quite an eccentric bike design for what is a fairly reasonable price. I didn't realise the Halfway was designed this way until I actually saw it in the flesh. I hadn't noticed it on the images previously.
Bonzo Banana is offline  
Old 05-01-18, 05:28 PM
  #2  
rhenning
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 3,594
Mentioned: 12 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 357 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 75 Times in 54 Posts
The video doesn't work. I suspect it is the new people who are running the forum. I keep getting noifications for quotes that when I click on them send me to my profile page not to the quote page. Hopefully this will get better with time. For now I wish they would stop sending me E-Mails that go no place. Roger
rhenning is offline  
Old 05-01-18, 05:43 PM
  #3  
Abu Mahendra
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Bali
Posts: 2,244

Bikes: In service - FSIR Spin 3.0, Bannard Sunny minivelo, Dahon Dash Altena folder. Several others in construction or temporarily decommissioned.

Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 897 Post(s)
Liked 12 Times in 12 Posts
Originally Posted by rhenning View Post
The video doesn't work. I suspect it is the new people who are running the forum. I keep getting noifications for quotes that when I click on them send me to my profile page not to the quote page. Hopefully this will get better with time. For now I wish they would stop sending me E-Mails that go no place. Roger
video is disabled in browser. it has to be.viewed on YouTube app in Android.

didn't see anything new or exciting on that bike...
Abu Mahendra is offline  
Old 05-01-18, 10:23 PM
  #4  
Bonzo Banana
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Merry Old England
Posts: 749

Bikes: Muddyfox Evolve 200, Bicycles4u Paris Explorer, Raleigh Twenty Stowaway, Bickerton California, Saracen Xile, Kona Hoss Deluxe, Vertigo Carnaby, Exodus Havoc, Kona Lanai, Revolution Cuillin Sport, Dawes Kingpin, Bickerton, NSU & Elswick Cosmopolitan

Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 285 Post(s)
Liked 21 Times in 17 Posts
Originally Posted by Abu Mahendra View Post
video is disabled in browser. it has to be.viewed on YouTube app in Android.

didn't see anything new or exciting on that bike...
Well its definitely not new as the bike has been sold for many years and exciting probably not applicable either but when it comes to folding bikes this Giant model is rarely mentioned on this forum and seems a significant radical design compared to its competition. The fork reminds me of Cannondale's Lefty design and while that fork seemed to have little advantage to mountain bikes and could be claimed to be more of a gimmick at least on the Giant it helps with folding to a small size.

It's certainly on topic as this is a foldling bike forum and as far as I can see this forum isn't being over-run with Giant Halfway postings anyway.Maybe I was hoping to see a few replies from owners about how the bike holds up on a daily basis and the strength of this design.
Bonzo Banana is offline  
Old 05-01-18, 10:41 PM
  #5  
Abu Mahendra
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Bali
Posts: 2,244

Bikes: In service - FSIR Spin 3.0, Bannard Sunny minivelo, Dahon Dash Altena folder. Several others in construction or temporarily decommissioned.

Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 897 Post(s)
Liked 12 Times in 12 Posts
Originally Posted by Bonzo Banana View Post
Well its definitely not new as the bike has been sold for many years and exciting probably not applicable either but when it comes to folding bikes this Giant model is rarely mentioned on this forum and seems a significant radical design compared to its competition. The fork reminds me of Cannondale's Lefty design and while that fork seemed to have little advantage to mountain bikes and could be claimed to be more of a gimmick at least on the Giant it helps with folding to a small size.

It's certainly on topic as this is a foldling bike forum and as far as I can see this forum isn't being over-run with Giant Halfway postings anyway.Maybe I was hoping to see a few replies from owners about how the bike holds up on a daily basis and the strength of this design.
Watched the video a second time. Oh, yeah, a 'Lefty' fork...
Abu Mahendra is offline  
Old 05-02-18, 06:21 PM
  #6  
Joe Remi
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: NorCal
Posts: 1,261

Bikes: Haibike Sduro Trekking SL, Rivendell Appaloosa, Concinnity singlespeed, KHS mini velo (Japan market), Trident Spike trike

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 576 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 14 Times in 14 Posts
They show up around here on Craigslist occasionally. It's a fascinating design .
Joe Remi is offline  
Old 05-02-18, 08:41 PM
  #7  
tds101 
Wake up!!!
 
tds101's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Mastic Beach, NY
Posts: 3,337

Bikes: 9+,...

Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 741 Post(s)
Liked 243 Times in 150 Posts
Originally Posted by Joe Remi View Post
They show up around here on Craigslist occasionally. It's a fascinating design .
If this popped popped up on Craigslist out by me I'd own 1 by now. It's a very interesting design.
__________________
If it wasn't for you meddling kids,...
tds101 is offline  
Old 05-02-18, 10:46 PM
  #8  
2_i 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Michigan
Posts: 3,089

Bikes: Trek 730 (quad), 720 & 830, Bike Friday NWT, Brompton M27R & M6R, Dahon HAT060 & HT060, ...

Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 568 Post(s)
Liked 142 Times in 114 Posts
We certainly have one owner posting as evidenced here.
2_i is offline  
Old 05-03-18, 03:57 PM
  #9  
Schwinnsta
Schwinnasaur
 
Schwinnsta's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: New Orleans, LA
Posts: 1,142
Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 250 Post(s)
Liked 32 Times in 24 Posts
AFAIK the design is by Burroughs. I think done to save weight. It also makes fixing flats easy. Myself, I would like fenders but that would be contrary to the design.
Schwinnsta is offline  
Old 05-24-21, 01:39 AM
  #10  
seibaatgung
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2020
Posts: 239
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 159 Post(s)
Liked 25 Times in 17 Posts
How easy would it be to convert this to use mechanical disk brakes?
seibaatgung is offline  
Old 05-27-21, 08:42 PM
  #11  
sweeks
Senior Member
 
sweeks's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Chicago area
Posts: 1,710

Bikes: Airborne "Carpe Diem", Motobecane "Mirage", Trek 6000, Strida 2, Dahon "Helios XL", Dahon "Mu XL", Tern "Verge S11i"

Mentioned: 18 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 677 Post(s)
Liked 186 Times in 142 Posts
Originally Posted by seibaatgung View Post
How easy would it be to convert this to use mechanical disk brakes?
Not likely possible. Disk brake calipers generally (if not universally) require mounting brackets which are integral with the rear frame and the fork. On a bike with a normal fork, the fork can be replaced with another which has the required mounts. That's not possible with this bike, unless you can weld the necessary brackets onto th efork and frame. So... not likely possible.
sweeks is offline  
Old 05-28-21, 11:26 AM
  #12  
tds101 
Wake up!!!
 
tds101's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Mastic Beach, NY
Posts: 3,337

Bikes: 9+,...

Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 741 Post(s)
Liked 243 Times in 150 Posts
Originally Posted by seibaatgung View Post
How easy would it be to convert this to use mechanical disk brakes?
Not possible, as the side of the frame/fork needed to mount the brakes doesn't exist.
__________________
If it wasn't for you meddling kids,...
tds101 is offline  
Old 05-31-21, 10:02 AM
  #13  
Inisfallen
Senior Member
 
Inisfallen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 52
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 22 Post(s)
Liked 21 Times in 13 Posts
I saw the thread title, and jumped in, because I've got one of these. And then I realized it was a zombie.

It's a nice folding bike. It works for me. I use it nearly every day to commute to work from Brooklyn to midtown Manhattan.

I have to say, it doesn't seem to have any radical advantages over a more conventional folding bike. Yes, you can remove a tire without removing the wheel, but really, how often do you have to do that? I've done it only when I'm replacing tires. It's easy enough to patch a tube without removing the whole tire, and it would be just as easy on a conventionally-framed bike. Also, it doesn't have quick-release hubs. You need a 13mm socket to remove the wheel, which isn't likely to be in your little commuter pocket tool kit. Wheel removal isn't any easier than it would be on a normal bike.

I suppose it folds up a bit thinner than a conventional frame and, depending on your storage situation, this might be useful. But it's not a huge difference.

So, yes, it looks different, it's fun, but I can't see any practical difference in day-to-day use between this and, say, a Dahon.

Last edited by Inisfallen; 05-31-21 at 10:08 AM.
Inisfallen is offline  
Old 05-31-21, 01:06 PM
  #14  
tcs
Palmer
 
tcs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Parts Unknown
Posts: 6,567

Bikes: 1980 Mike Melton, 1982 Stumpjumper, 1982 Santana, 1984 Alex Moulton AM, 2008 BikeFriday tikit T-♾, 2010 Dawes Briercliffe, 2017 Dahon Curl i8, 2019 Surly ˝DT14, 2021 Motobecane Turino 1x12

Mentioned: 27 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 829 Post(s)
Liked 349 Times in 229 Posts
I saw the thread title, and jumped in, because I've got one of these. And then I realized it was a zombie.
Well, you know what BikeForums is like: resurrect an old thread and it's "Zombie! Start a new one!"; start a new thread and it's "We've had a thread on that! Use 'search'!"

AFAIK the design is by Burroughs. I think done to save weight. It also makes fixing flats easy. Myself, I would like fenders but that would be contrary to the design.
Yes, Burroughs, one of the greatest bicycle designers of our time - although not every thing he tries quite works out. He's been designing single sided frame+wheels since at least the Windcheetah days and has a chapter on this in his book. The Halfway was done during his collaboration with Giant, which brought the road bike world the now ubiquitous 'compact' frame. The Halfway idea was, as some have already said, to make the folded bike thinner. As Isinfallen points out, this introduces other secondary compromises. C'est la vie.

BTW, the Strida folding bike has been single-sided front & rear since the mid-1980s and has always had fenders.
tcs is online now  
Old 05-31-21, 01:34 PM
  #15  
seibaatgung
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2020
Posts: 239
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 159 Post(s)
Liked 25 Times in 17 Posts
Kind of a tangent but I want to watch shaq ride a mini bike.
seibaatgung is offline  
Old 05-31-21, 03:47 PM
  #16  
Inisfallen
Senior Member
 
Inisfallen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 52
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 22 Post(s)
Liked 21 Times in 13 Posts
Originally Posted by seibaatgung View Post
Kind of a tangent but I want to watch shaq ride a mini bike.
That would be funny.

But anyone much over six feet (which definitely includes me) looks funny on a folding bike.

I don't care. It works for me. It's the best fit (hah!), all things considered, for me.
Inisfallen is offline  
Old 06-01-21, 02:53 AM
  #17  
Blackstrida_A_
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Vienna
Posts: 105

Bikes: Strida SD, SDe, Evo, Strida efneo

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 43 Post(s)
Liked 7 Times in 3 Posts
Originally Posted by tds101
Not possible, as the side of the frame/fork needed to mount the brakes doesn't exist.
But they do, so it must be possible.
Just how?
Either with a mirrored caliper (Strida) - or with a common caliper which is operated against its normal rotation direction (IFMove).


I do not think it would be a good idea to try converting.
Blackstrida_A_ is offline  
Old 06-01-21, 07:06 AM
  #18  
seibaatgung
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2020
Posts: 239
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 159 Post(s)
Liked 25 Times in 17 Posts
Originally Posted by Blackstrida_A_ View Post
a common caliper which is operated against its normal rotation direction (IFMove).
Isn't that how project right is done?
seibaatgung is offline  
Old 06-01-21, 09:29 AM
  #19  
Leisesturm
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 4,733
Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1736 Post(s)
Liked 279 Times in 204 Posts
Originally Posted by tcs View Post
Well, you know what BikeForums is like: resurrect an old thread and it's "Zombie! Start a new one!"; start a new thread and it's "We've had a thread on that! Use 'search'!"
Seriously? You are going to defend pulling up four year old threads and appending to them without mentioning the fact, by saying people complain? GTFOH. The 1/2way hasn't been made for years. That's what tipped me off. What if I didn't know that? And, as zombie threads go this one doesn't even take the cake. I've seen 15 year old threads resurrected. That can really get surreal. We're better than that. Or should be.

Last edited by Leisesturm; 06-01-21 at 09:42 AM.
Leisesturm is offline  
Old 06-01-21, 09:38 AM
  #20  
Leisesturm
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 4,733
Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1736 Post(s)
Liked 279 Times in 204 Posts
Originally Posted by Inisfallen View Post
I saw the thread title, and jumped in, because I've got one of these. And then I realized it was a zombie.

It's a nice folding bike. It works for me. I use it nearly every day to commute to work from Brooklyn to midtown Manhattan.

I have to say, it doesn't seem to have any radical advantages over a more conventional folding bike. Yes, you can remove a tire without removing the wheel, but really, how often do you have to do that? I've done it only when I'm replacing tires. It's easy enough to patch a tube without removing the whole tire, and it would be just as easy on a conventionally-framed bike. Also, it doesn't have quick-release hubs. You need a 13mm socket to remove the wheel, which isn't likely to be in your little commuter pocket tool kit. Wheel removal isn't any easier than it would be on a normal bike.

I suppose it folds up a bit thinner than a conventional frame and, depending on your storage situation, this might be useful. But it's not a huge difference.

So, yes, it looks different, it's fun, but I can't see any practical difference in day-to-day use between this and, say, a Dahon.
I had a 1/2way for years. The frame cracked at the big weld down by the bottom bracket. I had moved with it cross country from NYC to Portland, OR. I had gotten friendly with the staff at my new LBS in Portland and they were a Giant dealer. They worked a deal and Giant gave me a new folder. They didn't make 1/2way's anymore so I got the successor, the Expressway. The upmarket one at that, with all the trimmings. Pretty much a Dahon though, when all is said and done. Folded there is no comparison! The Halfway had a MUCH tighter fold and isn't that the whole point? And since the #1 reason people remove wheels from a bike is to fix flats and since you don't need to remove the wheel to fix flats on a 1/2way, why would wheel removal need to be easy? Look at all the hassle people go through to keep strangers from removing the wheels of their bikes. I really miss my 1/2way ... wanna trade?
Leisesturm is offline  
Old 06-01-21, 11:12 AM
  #21  
seibaatgung
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2020
Posts: 239
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 159 Post(s)
Liked 25 Times in 17 Posts
Originally Posted by Leisesturm View Post
I've seen 15 year old threads resurrected
link?
Originally Posted by Leisesturm View Post
And since the #1 reason people remove wheels from a bike is to fix flats and since you don't need to remove the wheel to fix flats on a 1/2way, why would wheel removal need to be easy?
My solution is to run tubeless and if I blow a flat to put in a 2 sided tube until I can patch the hole.
seibaatgung is offline  
Old 06-01-21, 11:49 AM
  #22  
Blackstrida_A_
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Vienna
Posts: 105

Bikes: Strida SD, SDe, Evo, Strida efneo

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 43 Post(s)
Liked 7 Times in 3 Posts
Originally Posted by seibaatgung
Isn't that how project right is done?
Pardon me, I'm not sure to understand you correctly, but I'll answer like so:

Which project?

If the project is the complete construction of a bike - obviously, the answer is Yes, because Ming and Pacific did.
(All I wanted was to point out that this is possible - even with missing fork/frame side.)

If the project is the "converting" of a bike's brakes - certainly No.
(Even if you're able to source a caliper which is certified for a backwards rotating disc, the situation is still the same like mentioned already by sweeks in post #11 above.)
Blackstrida_A_ is offline  
Old 06-01-21, 11:55 AM
  #23  
seibaatgung
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2020
Posts: 239
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 159 Post(s)
Liked 25 Times in 17 Posts
Originally Posted by Blackstrida_A_ View Post
Which project?
English Cycles has a series of "Project Right" bikes that have a right sided fork and only right chain and seat stays.
seibaatgung is offline  
Old 06-01-21, 12:55 PM
  #24  
Inisfallen
Senior Member
 
Inisfallen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 52
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 22 Post(s)
Liked 21 Times in 13 Posts
Originally Posted by Leisesturm View Post
I really miss my 1/2way ... wanna trade?
Sure, why not? But since you've moved to Portland, and I'm still in NYC, the logistics might be difficult. And we could probably both buy new bikes for what the shipping would cost.
Inisfallen is offline  
Old 06-01-21, 03:13 PM
  #25  
tcs
Palmer
 
tcs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Parts Unknown
Posts: 6,567

Bikes: 1980 Mike Melton, 1982 Stumpjumper, 1982 Santana, 1984 Alex Moulton AM, 2008 BikeFriday tikit T-♾, 2010 Dawes Briercliffe, 2017 Dahon Curl i8, 2019 Surly ˝DT14, 2021 Motobecane Turino 1x12

Mentioned: 27 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 829 Post(s)
Liked 349 Times in 229 Posts
Originally Posted by Leisesturm View Post
...without mentioning the fact
Every post has a date. Clear text. Right up top. If it's your first day on the internet, we'll cut you some slack. After that, no excuses.

by saying people complain? GTFOH.
I said folks complain. Somebody complained.
tcs is online now  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright © 2021 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.