My new, second-hand Dahon Jetstream XP...
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My new, second-hand Dahon Jetstream XP...
I put a deposit on a lightly used Dahon Jetstream XP with German Kilo A fork and disk brakes. Here it is, awaiting collection in an industrial storage complex in Singapore...









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Good grief!
1. It's unique.
2. It offers potentially the plushest ride of any folder.
I used to MTB so you are barking up the wrong tree, kid. No one buys it for anything but rough street or road, certainly not for off-road. You think anyone sees it as a replacement for a 26er, 27.5er or 29er? No, no one actyally thinks that. I've got an Altena for efficient roadvwork. Don't tell me the Altena is a re-brand too. I don't give a fook.
So what it's a rebranded Dahon made by Fucc-u-too?
1. It's unique.
2. It offers potentially the plushest ride of any folder.
I used to MTB so you are barking up the wrong tree, kid. No one buys it for anything but rough street or road, certainly not for off-road. You think anyone sees it as a replacement for a 26er, 27.5er or 29er? No, no one actyally thinks that. I've got an Altena for efficient roadvwork. Don't tell me the Altena is a re-brand too. I don't give a fook.
So what it's a rebranded Dahon made by Fucc-u-too?
Last edited by Abu Mahendra; 05-22-18 at 04:51 AM.
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Be aware that this is not a genuine German Answer Kilo fork but a licensed Dahon copy with German A written on it. Dahon licensed the design, made some changes, produced the fork and put it on the Jetstream XP. You'll notice the difference quickly when you need service parts. German A cannot help you with this as it is a Dahon made fork and Dahon (as usual) does not stock service parts. So in case of service needs you may quickly end up with a very expensive and very unusuable fork.
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Where exactly did you get that knowledge from? The bike is indeed no offroader but due to it's looks a lot of people bought it as an offroad bike and some use it for offroading in a way that it is not able to handle w/o breaking. Just lokk i the thread "best 20" bike for offroad use".
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Where exactly did you get that knowledge from? The bike is indeed no offroader but due to it's looks a lot of people bought it as an offroad bike and some use it for offroading in a way that it is not able to handle w/o breaking. Just lokk i the thread "best 20" bike for offroad use".
to answer your query, i got it from common sense by simply looking at it. you didn't think i meant that literally, did you?
"No one goes there anymore. It's too crowded."
- Yogi Berra
if people buy it for off-road, they are deluding thenselves. that's what you should have understood from the colloquial phrasing.
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Good grief!
1. It's unique.
2. It offers potentially the plushest ride of any folder.
I used to MTB so you are barking up the wrong tree, kid. No one buys it for anything but rough street or road, certainly not for off-road. You think anyone sees it as a replacement for a 26er, 27.5er or 29er? No, no one actyally thinks that. I've got an Altena for efficient roadvwork. Don't tell me the Altena is a re-brand too. I don't give a fook.
So what it's a rebranded Dahon made by Fucc-u-too?
1. It's unique.
2. It offers potentially the plushest ride of any folder.
I used to MTB so you are barking up the wrong tree, kid. No one buys it for anything but rough street or road, certainly not for off-road. You think anyone sees it as a replacement for a 26er, 27.5er or 29er? No, no one actyally thinks that. I've got an Altena for efficient roadvwork. Don't tell me the Altena is a re-brand too. I don't give a fook.
So what it's a rebranded Dahon made by Fucc-u-too?
The Jetstream EX is the ultimate go-anywhere adventure bike and has a smoother, more stable ride than just about any folding bicycle on the market.
You seem to believe its marketed as some sort of super plush comfort bike for the elderly or something but Dahon believe its a go anywhere adventure bike.
This is the bike its a rebranded version of;
HANMA8 - Tianjin Fuji-ta Bicycle Co.,Ltd.
Fuji-ta are by far the largest bike manufacturer in the world with 20 million bikes made a year of a world total production of 125 million bikes plus they supply many millions of frames to other companies to assemble complete bikes around. They almost monopolise aluminium frame production in a way. Excellent quality too and comprehensive design and testing facilities. Cannondales, Raleighs and a huge number of other brands are made by them. No shame in being a fuji-ta bike just annoying when people claim its a Dahon rather than a brand slap. You could probably buy the Hanma 8 and slap your own brand on if you wanted if you were willing to buy 500 of them.
Looking at berlinonaut's post there does seem to be some customisation of the front fork, perhaps by Fuji-ta for Dahon to make the bike more suitable for western heavier butts. I can't see the front shock on the hanma 8 or other rebranded versions like the FX Saga as I assumed it was a smaller light duty shock hidden in the headtube but it looks external on the later Dahon. Interesting design anyway.
Little bit of Birdy off road here. Quite impressive although very light rider by the looks of it.

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thanks for the dissertation on Fuji-ta, but frankly it is irrelevant to me. Fuji-ta this, Fuji-ta that. all i am doing is buying, tentatively, a Jetstream. i am not buying a container-full of bikes, or planning an acquisitiion, a debt swap or buying stock.
why do i need to contact Dahon again? Because their marketing hype is at odds with my view of the bike? You don't say; companies spinning tall tales to sell their wares. I "seem to believe its marketed as some sort of super plush comfort bike for the elderly". Really? Where did you get that?
why do i need to contact Dahon again? Because their marketing hype is at odds with my view of the bike? You don't say; companies spinning tall tales to sell their wares. I "seem to believe its marketed as some sort of super plush comfort bike for the elderly". Really? Where did you get that?
You need to contact Dahon immediately then and argue with them as they have;
https://dahon.com/bikes/jetstream-ex/
You seem to believe its marketed as some sort of super plush comfort bike for the elderly or something but Dahon believe its a go anywhere adventure bike.
This is the bike its a rebranded version of;
HANMA8 - Tianjin Fuji-ta Bicycle Co.,Ltd.
Fuji-ta are by far the largest bike manufacturer in the world with 20 million bikes made a year of a world total production of 125 million bikes plus they supply many millions of frames to other companies to assemble complete bikes around. They almost monopolise aluminium frame production in a way. Excellent quality too and comprehensive design and testing facilities. Cannondales, Raleighs and a huge number of other brands are made by them. No shame in being a fuji-ta bike just annoying when people claim its a Dahon rather than a brand slap. You could probably buy the Hanma 8 and slap your own brand on if you wanted if you were willing to buy 500 of them.
Looking at berlinonaut's post there does seem to be some customisation of the front fork, perhaps by Fuji-ta for Dahon to make the bike more suitable for western heavier butts. I can't see the front shock on the hanma 8 or other rebranded versions like the FX Saga as I assumed it was a smaller light duty shock hidden in the headtube but it looks external on the later Dahon. Interesting design anyway.
Little bit of Birdy off road here. Quite impressive although very light rider by the looks of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4IoSBoPrgw

https://dahon.com/bikes/jetstream-ex/
You seem to believe its marketed as some sort of super plush comfort bike for the elderly or something but Dahon believe its a go anywhere adventure bike.
This is the bike its a rebranded version of;
HANMA8 - Tianjin Fuji-ta Bicycle Co.,Ltd.
Fuji-ta are by far the largest bike manufacturer in the world with 20 million bikes made a year of a world total production of 125 million bikes plus they supply many millions of frames to other companies to assemble complete bikes around. They almost monopolise aluminium frame production in a way. Excellent quality too and comprehensive design and testing facilities. Cannondales, Raleighs and a huge number of other brands are made by them. No shame in being a fuji-ta bike just annoying when people claim its a Dahon rather than a brand slap. You could probably buy the Hanma 8 and slap your own brand on if you wanted if you were willing to buy 500 of them.
Looking at berlinonaut's post there does seem to be some customisation of the front fork, perhaps by Fuji-ta for Dahon to make the bike more suitable for western heavier butts. I can't see the front shock on the hanma 8 or other rebranded versions like the FX Saga as I assumed it was a smaller light duty shock hidden in the headtube but it looks external on the later Dahon. Interesting design anyway.
Little bit of Birdy off road here. Quite impressive although very light rider by the looks of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4IoSBoPrgw

Last edited by Abu Mahendra; 05-22-18 at 10:39 PM.
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I always assumed this model was intended for semi-serious trail riding. I'm surprised to hear it's basically a plush street bike.
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FYI... ThorUSA carries spare parts for the Kilo A fork...
Be aware that this is not a genuine German Answer Kilo fork but a licensed Dahon copy with German A written on it. Dahon licensed the design, made some changes, produced the fork and put it on the Jetstream XP. You'll notice the difference quickly when you need service parts. German A cannot help you with this as it is a Dahon made fork and Dahon (as usual) does not stock service parts. So in case of service needs you may quickly end up with a very expensive and very unusuable fork.
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Yes, Thor said/claimed this a while ago in another thread. Problem is that he is possibly the only one and he is in the US. So even if he would have all the parts available (which we do not know and i heavily doubt) he is a solitaire. For someone in Europe it is a major hassle to import parts from the US and it takes time. I do not know how it is for someone in i.e. Indonesia. Fact is: In Europe dealers do not stock these parts and have no possiblity to get hold of them as with Dahon getting parts is a major nightmare over here. Fact is that Thor is a very engaged dealer and he is heavily involved with the company, thus his possibilities may be better than those of other dealers around the globe. So even if it was possible to get parts via Thor in my opinion this is something that potential buyers should be aware of: Having only one single source (a single person, to make it more clear) worldwide for service parts for your bike is a bit of a risk (in regards of longterm availability of that source or those roprietary parts) and having to import them adds on cost and time. And you cannot bring your broken bike to the next dealer and ask him to fix it quickly or at all - he simply won't be able or willing to do it. For dealers or consumers there is not even a comprehensive parts list - even to identify the part needed is already problematic to impossible. This is not the failure of the dealer but of Dahon in combination with their distribution.
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Not a huge problem in my case...
...i get the parts when i go home to the States, or ship them to my mother there, and she brings them to me when comes visit to Bali. In essence, it is far from the doomsday scenario you paint...
Yes, Thor said/claimed this a while ago in another thread. Problem is that he is possibly the only one and he is in the US. So even if he would have all the parts available (which we do not know and i heavily doubt) he is a solitaire. For someone in Europe it is a major hassle to import parts from the US and it takes time. I do not know how it is for someone in i.e. Indonesia. Fact is: In Europe dealers do not stock these parts and have no possiblity to get hold of them as with Dahon getting parts is a major nightmare over here. Fact is that Thor is a very engaged dealer and he is heavily involved with the company, thus his possibilities may be better than those of other dealers around the globe. So even if it was possible to get parts via Thor in my opinion this is something that potential buyers should be aware of: Having only one single source (a single person, to make it more clear) worldwide for service parts for your bike is a bit of a risk (in regards of longterm availability of that source or those roprietary parts) and having to import them adds on cost and time. And you cannot bring your broken bike to the next dealer and ask him to fix it quickly or at all - he simply won't be able or willing to do it. For dealers or consumers there is not even a comprehensive parts list - even to identify the part needed is already problematic to impossible. This is not the failure of the dealer but of Dahon in combination with their distribution.
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Hi
Finally you bought it !
Nice !
I'll be glad to post some photos of mine but I need to reach 10 posts :-/
Anyway, don't hesitate if you have any questions.
It's a LitePro crank isn't it ? How many teeth ?
My EX original crank is FSA 49T. I'll upgrade it to 53T since I removed the DualDrive rear hub.
Finally you bought it !
Nice !
I'll be glad to post some photos of mine but I need to reach 10 posts :-/
Anyway, don't hesitate if you have any questions.
It's a LitePro crank isn't it ? How many teeth ?
My EX original crank is FSA 49T. I'll upgrade it to 53T since I removed the DualDrive rear hub.
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no, not yet...
Hi
Finally you bought it !
Nice !
I'll be glad to post some photos of mine but I need to reach 10 posts :-/
Anyway, don't hesitate if you have any questions.
It's a LitePro crank isn't it ? How many teeth ?
My EX original crank is FSA 49T. I'll upgrade it to 53T since I removed the DualDrive rear hub.
Finally you bought it !
Nice !
I'll be glad to post some photos of mine but I need to reach 10 posts :-/
Anyway, don't hesitate if you have any questions.
It's a LitePro crank isn't it ? How many teeth ?
My EX original crank is FSA 49T. I'll upgrade it to 53T since I removed the DualDrive rear hub.
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Are you Sure ? Not genuine with the brand name, German-A website URL... In my opinion, a such infringement would lead to trial, directly. Dahon would have ordered production of German-A forks non-genuine downward copies with the agreement of German-A ?
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That's about it. I do neither own a Dahon and even less a Jetstream XP, thus no personal experience. The story seemed credible to me. Other than that: Why would in your opinion producing a customized licensed copy with the knowledge and acknowlegement of GA lead directly to trial?

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Regarding the spare parts question: if you read on Debcrars page his experience with getting hold of varios spare parts over the years for his XP the situation in the US seems not to be too convincing, too, no matter what Thor is saying. Debcar seems to be one of his customers and still had trouble and regarding the bushings for the fork he had to manufacture them himself:
DEBCAR Story
DEBCAR Story