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2019: Best Folding Bike awards

Old 02-10-19, 03:40 AM
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2019: Best Folding Bike awards

Well, they have awards for nearly everything, so why not folding bikes? Bike Forums is a highly active prestigious forum, so it would be nice to see something like this. I know there are industry award programmes, but these tend towards the pat on the back type.

Obviously there's more than Folding bikes could be represented in the future, but the level of innovation required makes this of particular interest to me and many others.

I wouldn't think the award needs to be bogged down in detail. For me, there would be the following:

Best folding bike, any wheel size - the top award, to include design, practicality, etc

Then the sub categories - wheel size, appearance, touring etc.

Just a thought, that's all. It's Sunday morning , and wet, so the mind automatically turns to such things!
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Old 02-10-19, 08:34 AM
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Oh dear, this is an idea for discussion, followed by publishing of categories, call for nominations, etc. I thought most would take this for granted.
I realise you were trying to be funny, or, as they say in the Antipodean nations, to stir, but, really, perhaps you should do the right thing and delete your post. Yes, at the end of the year, if still in production, your candidate could well be nominated, but, as it stands the bike doesn't exist.
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I guess it depends on the criteria you use to judge a bike. You can have simple awards like;

Fastest folding bike
Most compact folding bike
Strongest folding bike
Lightest folding bike

Those sort of assessments it wouldn't matter if the bike is available in all markets because the criteria is just about the bike itself but you couldn't really have best value folding bike because different markets have different prices. I've seen people rave about bikes that look poor to me and others be critical of what I consider great bikes for reasons I don't agree with.

I have a excel sheet of bike specs that I've done it ranks bikes up to 230 points and the 2 folding bikes that have scored highest are both 153 points out of 230 and those are the Brompton and Muddyfox folding bike. It's not an exhaustive list and my top performing bike is a Carrera Subway 8 hybrid bike with 168 points. I think a Euromini model is at 151 points. I think the results are because I tend to favour hub gears and so the top performing bikes all feature hub gears. Someone else may favour the simplicity of single speed or like a derailleur based drivetrain. I put value into the equation of bike ratings others might completely remove that and just judge bikes on spec alone.
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Old 02-10-19, 09:14 AM
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Bonzo B, I’m thinking of using simple criteria, nothing too complex. Not all being engineers I appreciate it’s hard for bike enthusiasts to be totally objective. Unfortunately categories such as « fastest « won’t work, since the engine changes for each bike Quickest fold, perhaps, smallest fold, yes, most practical, yes, best designed (although there’s an overlap with smallest and quickest fold), and, obviously, best folding bike, which would have to include the previous plus availability, price etc.



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Originally Posted by avole View Post
Bonzo B, I’m thinking of using simple criteria, nothing too complex. Not all being engineers I appreciate it’s hard for bike enthusiasts to be totally objective. Unfortunately categories such as « fastest « won’t work, since the engine changes for each bike Quickest fold, perhaps, smallest fold, yes, most practical, yes, best designed (although there’s an overlap with smallest and quickest fold), and, obviously, best folding bike, which would have to include the previous plus availability, price etc.


I still think you can assess the speed of a folding bike quite easily based on its gearing and overall weight even though the engine is an unknown factor.

Would it be one of those situations where a shortlist of models is drawn up and then voted for by other forum members? A choice of 10 bikes for each category sort of thing.

I think it should only be currently available bikes new, so the awards could be genuinely useful to those considering a new bike.

Here in the UK I'm seeing some folding bikes disappearing as the market moves more to e-bikes. Halfords here in the UK used to sell 2 models a Carrera Transit and Carrera Intercity and while they may be available online still (not sure) a recent visit to 2 stores shows none in the showroom and they were always present before. However I noticed e-bikes were now in their place. However Halfords will start selling Bromptons so maybe part of the agreement was to make Bromptons their sole folding bike choice. Maybe folding bikes without motors will be a dwindling range of models in the next few years. It feels like the bike industry is changing direction a bit at least here in the uk.
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Old 02-10-19, 08:29 PM
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Agreed, BB, although I can’t help feeling E-bikes, scooters and their ilk are contrary to the public health side of cycling. They seem to be less common here, except for in the larger cities.

That isn’t to say there are not other positives, as in less cars on the road, less pollution in cities and so forth, and certainly they help older people, but it does make me wonder if the human race will not choke on its own laziness. Anyway, that’s way off topic.

A shortlist of models would be a good idea, although how to arrive at that list might be a little difficult.
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Be interesting to see how you factor the folding ability versus the riding quality. We all know Brompton folds the very best, but it is heavy and doesn't ride the best, but the fold makes it incredibly popular. So would a great fold trump a spectacular ride? Curious. Given that the characteristics that matter most to one type of folder rider (commuter) may be different than that of another (tourer).
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Sub divide fastest, to have a category for how quickly it can be folded and...

the rate of speed in a comparison , requiring a standardized rider to be riding all of the candidate bikes in identical conditions..

and as Tonto says 'what do you mean "We"...
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Old 02-11-19, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
Sub divide fastest, to have a category for how quickly it can be folded and...

the rate of speed in a comparison , requiring a standardized rider to be riding all of the candidate bikes in identical conditions..

and as Tonto says 'what do you mean "We"...
Are you disagreeing that Brompton folds the best? What's better (faster and more compact)? Even my Pakit, which I dearly love, doesn't fold quite as well nor did the wonderful Tikit.
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No just the use of the Royal 'We'... who is your presumed group.. ? this place is like herding Cats..
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Could we do it like the Country Music Awards and have them once a month?
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The big problem with this is; how many of us have had the opportunity to ride all - or at least most - of the folding bikes on the market. I have only ridden one, my Xootr Swift, so have nothing to compare it to. I know the Brompton folds smaller than the Swift but that does not matter to me because I wanted a good riding bike that also happened to fold for storage and do not jump on and off public transport with it. There is also price involved as I was impressed by a Tern folder recently (on-line) only to discover it costs over £2000.00! Is any bike worth that amount of money?
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The big problem with this is; how many of us have had the opportunity to ride all - or at least most - of the folding bikes on the market. I have only ridden one, my Xootr Swift, so have nothing to compare it to. I know the Brompton folds smaller than the Swift but that does not matter to me because I wanted a good riding bike that also happened to fold for storage and do not jump on and off public transport with it. There is also price involved as I was impressed by a Tern folder recently (on-line) only to discover it costs over £2000.00! Is any bike worth that amount of money?
To answer your question, yes. I paid more than that for my custom configured Bike Friday Pakit. But - I no longer have a car, so the bike is cheap by comparison. And I had wants/needs that could only be met with a lot of customization. So TO ME it was definitely worth it, but maybe no to someone else. I've ridden Brompton, Swift, Dahon, and Bike Friday folders but my experience of each is definitely not going to be the same as another rider. So, yeah, I'm curious how it would be possible to rate the bikes objectively.
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The Oscars, possibly (and regrettably) the most popular awards show on the planet, does not pretend to rate anything objectively, and indeed it, as with nearly all other awards, does not pretend to be objective. That indeed is a big problem, berlin. The better method is for the mods (NOT us) to produce a shortlist for which bikes we can vote. This is the system used by many awards, and there are lots of them. Remember, awards in many are pats on the back for the industry/publicity and it is usually impossible to use objective criteria, That said, you’d need to introduce some rules, as in:

Voters must have joined Bf for a period longer than x months
No bike can win two years in a row
A bike must have been sold for > 6 months to be on the list etc
Ownership of bike etc etc

That doesn’t stop companies contacting buyers directly, however. Travel awards are a case in point.




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I nominate the Helix. It says the world's best folding bike.
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I nominate the Giant Halfway, its cheap, it's exceptionally well made and has that innovative single sided stays and fork that means you can change tyres and tubes without even taking the wheels off (I assume). Seems to be much over-looked but just looks a really great product. I've only drooled over one in a local cycle shop though, never ridden.

https://www.giant-bicycles.com/gb/halfway-2019

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kR-Bwrf2u2I


Doesn't seem to have changed much over the years though looking at that video.

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Originally Posted by avole View Post
The Oscars, possibly (and regrettably) the most popular awards show on the planet, does not pretend to rate anything objectively, and indeed it, as with nearly all other awards, does not pretend to be objective. That indeed is a big problem, berlin. The better method is for the mods (NOT us) to produce a shortlist for which bikes we can vote. This is the system used by many awards, and there are lots of them. Remember, awards in many are pats on the back for the industry/publicity and it is usually impossible to use objective criteria, That said, you’d need to introduce some rules, as in:

Voters must have joined Bf for a period longer than x months
No bike can win two years in a row
A bike must have been sold for > 6 months to be on the list etc
Ownership of bike etc etc

That doesn’t stop companies contacting buyers directly, however. Travel awards are a case in point.




The Oscars are voted by people in the industry. As these would be "user" awards, seems like it would be more like Yelp or "Best of" awards for comparison. And unless one uses a purely geometrical/physics analysis, I don't see how it would be really objective. Rider size, weight, road conditions, etc., would all be factors. But it doesn't have to be quite that serious, yes?
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That's like giving the Nobel peace prize to somebody when they have not done anything.
Actually,...it's like giving the best dressed award to someone who isn't even born as of yet. But,...I guess the joke wasn't noticed?
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