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Is there a Brompton style frame for 20 inch (406) wheels?

Old 06-27-20, 07:48 PM
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Is there a Brompton style frame for 20 inch (406) wheels?

Is there a Brompton style frame for 20 inch (406) wheels? I vaguely remember someone posting photos of such a bike here some time ago, but my searching skills are somewhat lacking and I didn't turn up anything just now, so I'm beginning to wonder whether or not I imagined it.

I have a set of Cliffhanger 406 rims built with 100 OLD disk front hub and 135 OLD rear hub (Alfine 11) and am starting to get ideas about finding a Brompton style frame that can accommodate these wheels and building up a bike.

But does such a frame exist? If it does, I'd appreciate any info, links, pointers anyone can offer. Thanks!
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Tyrell is similar; rear folds like brommies , the front fork collapses
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The Tyrell bikes are too small for me, unfortunately. I checked out the model range a dealer in Tokyo a while ago, and the maximum saddle to peddle length even with a non-standard long seatpost was still about 4cm short. The seat to handlebar distance is also quite short.

I think the bike I'm thinking of is a Chinese clone (possibly a titanium frame) that was redesigned for 406 wheels.
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Originally Posted by jonmanjiro
Is there a Brompton style frame for 20 inch (406) wheels?
Alternatively, there's the Vello (Austria) and the Ahooga (Belgium).
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All those bikes are much bigger folded than the Brompton. The Vello and Ahooga do not have a folding fork (only the Vellobike+ has a folding fork, not the Vellobike).

I also saw pictures of a 20" Brompton clone with a titanium frame but I do not know where the frame comes from and if it is available.


20" ETRTO 406 Brompton clone
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Note that a 20" Brompton must be bigger folded than the original ETRTO 349 Brompton because the rear wheel folds under the main frame tube and to manage place for a 20" ETRTO 406 wheel, the frame and rear triangle must be enlarged. The fork must of course also be enlarged.

Also the front and rear OLD of the Brompton are smaller than the standard 100mm/135mm of your wheels.

The Birdy is compatible with ETRTO 406 wheels.because its rear wheel folds besides the main frame tube, not under that tube and because it is designed to accept 50mm wide tires on its ETRTO 355 wheels giving a total diameter of about 455mm, so ETRTO 406 wheels with 28mm or 30mm tires (total diameter of about 462mm or 466mm) fit on the Birdy (and Pacific Cycles now sell the Birdy R20 11SP factory equipped with ETRTO 406 wheels and Panaracer Minits Lite PT tires).

The folded Birdy is only slightly bigger than the Brompton and much smaller than the Tyrell with ETRTO 406 wheels.

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Originally Posted by Winfried
Alternatively, there's the Vello (Austria) and the Ahooga (Belgium).
About a year ago, I actually emailed Vello multiple times but never got a reply. The Vello distributor in Australia even emailed Vello on my behalf, and he didn't get a reply either. Despite being their distributor!!! That raised alarm bells with me, so Vello is a not an option now. Ahooga is one I hadn't seen before so thanks for the link!

Originally Posted by Jipe
I also saw pictures of a 20" Brompton clone with a titanium frame but I do not know where the frame comes from and if it is available.

The folded Birdy is only slightly bigger than the Brompton and much smaller than the Tyrell with ETRTO 406 wheels.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who remembers that photo!
I'm assuming that particular frame has been enlarged somewhat to accommodate 406 wheels in its fold (I'm ok with the fold being larger).
I'm aware of the OLD size differences but IIRC that particular bike had disk brakes so I assume its OLD is 100/135. Now to find that frame!

I've test ridden and handled several Birdy bikes. They seem quite nice but the fold while smallish seemed quite cumbersome to me, with both wheels pointing off at an angle to the frame.
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You may be able to hire a custom built bike using the main Brompton frame, custom fabricating new forks on front and rear portions..

Or you could buy a 20" wheel Bike Friday and drop the 20" wheel Brompton dream. or be OK with Bromptons as they are..
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I understood that you have a set of ETRTO 406 wheels but building a whole bike just to reuse a set of wheels seems a lot of work.

What improvement do you expect from a ETRTO 406 Brompton vs. an ETRTO 349 Brompton ?

The main drawback for me of the Brompton is its lack of comfort and low performances on bad roads that are the consequence of high pressure, relatively narrow tires, poor rear suspension and lack of front suspension.

The ETRTO 406 Brompton of the picture with its even narrower tires won't provide any improvement for comfort and ride on bad roads.

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Thanks for the PM with the link, Jipe. Much appreciated! And although its not what I'd ideally want to build, that is indeed a very interesting bike.

I started this thread as the extension of the idle Sunday thought "wouldn't be cool to have a Brompton style folding bike with 406 balloon tires, disk brakes, and an Alfine 11 IGH".

But alas, as you point out above, while the Alfine 11 and disk brakes are doable, due to max tire size limitations, fitting 406-50 or 406-55 balloon tires would be an impossibility unless I commission one-off parts from scratch (which I don't intend to do). Oh well, back to the drawing board. Thanks for your input.

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there was, not a long ago, a frame with that soecs in aliexpress.
20" brompton clone.

that product vanish from lists.
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Eerder Metaal from Netherlands.

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20" fork and rear triangle available using the original Brompton main frame. Lots of photos on Instagram.
1. Accepts wide 406 20" tyres
2. Disc brakes
3. Folds like a regular Brompton
4. Obviously it is slightly larger
5. Steel only construction



I've had a conversion on my short list since Vincent prepared the prototype last year...
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Originally Posted by jonmanjiro
Is there a Brompton style frame for 20 inch (406) wheels? I vaguely remember someone posting photos of such a bike here some time ago, but my searching skills are somewhat lacking and I didn't turn up anything just now, so I'm beginning to wonder whether or not I imagined it.

I have a set of Cliffhanger 406 rims built with 100 OLD disk front hub and 135 OLD rear hub (Alfine 11) and am starting to get ideas about finding a Brompton style frame that can accommodate these wheels and building up a bike.

But does such a frame exist? If it does, I'd appreciate any info, links, pointers anyone can offer. Thanks!

hey jomanjiro! the 406 20" wheel bromptom are back in aliexpress!

#Aliexpress R$ 7.441,98 | Titanium TC4 Folding Bicycle Frame + Rear Triangel Fork Glossy / Matte Surface for 406mm 20" Bike Wheel
https://a.aliexpress.com/_d7wX4go
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Originally Posted by MultiplexMan
Eerder Metaal from Netherlands.

Eerder Metaal Home

20" fork and rear triangle available using the original Brompton main frame. Lots of photos on Instagram.
1. Accepts wide 406 20" tyres
2. Disc brakes
3. Folds like a regular Brompton
4. Obviously it is slightly larger
5. Steel only construction

I've had a conversion on my short list since Vincent prepared the prototype last year...
Originally Posted by BromptonINrio
hey jomanjiro! the 406 20" wheel bromptom are back in aliexpress!

#Aliexpress R$ 7.441,98 | Titanium TC4 Folding Bicycle Frame + Rear Triangel Fork Glossy / Matte Surface for 406mm 20" Bike Wheel
https://a.aliexpress.com/_d7wX4go
Thanks! Both very interesting options!
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Bike Friday NWT 'silk' 406 wheel Alfine 11 and a Gates Carbon belt drive train
rear folds @ an angle with BB so belt stays adjusted,

& built in several sizes for each rider , in Eugene Oregon many color and other options..
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Originally Posted by fietsbob
Bike Friday NWT 'silk' 406 wheel Alfine 11 and a Gates Carbon belt drive train
rear folds @ an angle with BB so belt stays adjusted,

& built in several sizes for each rider , in Eugene Oregon many color and other options..
Nice bike. My main reason for looking into 406 inch compatible Brompton style frames is for the Brompton-esque fold though, so no dice.
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He is in NL, so your shipping to Japan will be substantial . but I expect he won't turn down the job if you have the money ..

Maybe you can hire a custom builder in Japan? one off ..Titanium?, pay a lot..

here is my 20" wheel bike friday pocket Llama


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Originally Posted by MultiplexMan
Eerder Metaal from Netherlands.

Eerder Metaal Home

20" fork and rear triangle available using the original Brompton main frame. Lots of photos on Instagram.
1. Accepts wide 406 20" tyres
2. Disc brakes
3. Folds like a regular Brompton
4. Obviously it is slightly larger
5. Steel only construction

I've had a conversion on my short list since Vincent prepared the prototype last year...
Originally Posted by fietsbob
He is in NL, so your shipping to Japan will be substantial . but I expect he won't turn down the job if you have the money ..

Eerder Metaal Home
Link posted above already. It's an interesting option.
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Originally Posted by BromptonINrio
hey jomanjiro! the 406 20" wheel bromptom are back in aliexpress!

#Aliexpress R$ 7.441,98 | Titanium TC4 Folding Bicycle Frame + Rear Triangel Fork Glossy / Matte Surface for 406mm 20" Bike Wheel
https://a.aliexpress.com/_d7wX4go

Hmm... interesting...

My only doubt (to be skeptical ) is that if its as easy(ish) to fold as a Brompton, how come there are no picts of the folded bike?
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Originally Posted by pinholecam
Hmm... interesting...

My only doubt (to be skeptical ) is that if its as easy(ish) to fold as a Brompton, how come there are no picts of the folded bike?
there is pics folded.and non folded on the link i send.
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Originally Posted by BromptonINrio
there is pics folded.and non folded on the link i send.
I mean of the full bike, not just the frame
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Originally Posted by pinholecam
I mean of the full bike, not just the frame
i see.
weel, just looking to rear frame latch you can see its not as easy to fold as regular brompton, because the use a quick skewer to tight the rear frame to main frame.
This means you proably will have to screw/unscrew every time you want to fold the rear wheel under
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I just came across this thread on my research. I am considering buying a cheap Brompton from the new A-line and modify it with the components from Kinetics they offer all kinds of conversions.
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Originally Posted by ciclimondial
I just came across this thread on my research. I am considering buying a cheap Brompton from the new A-line and modify it with the components from Kinetics they offer all kinds of conversions.
Its what Kinetics does for the complete upgraded Brompton he is selling. When they still existed, he was buying single speed Brompton.
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Exactly Andrew Ritchie's design but with 20" wheels? I got nothing.

Bikes with 20" wheels that fold similar to the Andrew Ritchie design:
Burke 20
Crosshead

A bike with 20" wheels that folds compactly in an entirely different way
Caracle
Nyfti Raio v2
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