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Old 09-22-06, 10:25 AM
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Anyone with a orange DT FS on the northbound platform of the Redwood City Caltrain station this morning at 7:45AM?
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Old 09-22-06, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Portercat
Can anyone tell me what the riding position is like on a Downtube? Does that really give the feel of a true road bike (stability and all)?

The MK bike feels like you are on a road bike, but it is more than just different bars. Tires, hubs, headset, pedals, and gearing all contribute. To me,an OE DT, Dahon, KHS (ridden in Japan), etc., feel like folders, not like hybrids. A OE Swift, however. feels close to hybrid because of the longer wheelbase.
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Is the MK a Moulton, or a Downtube? That's a sweet looking bike.
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Originally Posted by Crankypants
My other gripe is with the rear suspension. It probably is fine for all the small riders out there who would buy this bike and never think to add their own suspension. However, with the myriad of sprung seats, cush tyres, and suspension seat posts, I think it is better to leave the frame simple, and allow the rider to add their own. As is, the rear triangle bobs up and down as I am riding, especially when I am in low gear. It is a little frustrating because there is no easy solution for "locking" it out, and this bike would have been fine with Big Apples and sprung Brooks of Thudbuster. All in all, this bike is a winner, and I feel like I made a wise decision to fix it up for some extended travels..........
Great Cranky P !! Nice job on your Mini-Tourer!! I don't know if you have addressed the rear suspension, but it could easily be locked out by replacing the spring with something like a Delron bushing of the same general diameter and length.. Since I am pushing 190+lbs, I may play with using the spring in conjunction with an elastomer down the center of the spring to stiffen up the suspension a bit without locking it out... I'll have to experiment on the sly to keep my g/f from finding out I'm messing with her ride..

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Originally Posted by Portercat
Is the MK a Moulton, or a Downtube? That's a sweet looking bike.
pcat, it's a DT FS frame. Here's the rest of the story.
https://www.bikeforums.net/folding-bikes/229066-mauna-kea-bike.html




Originally Posted by BruceMetras
Since I am pushing 190+lbs, I may play with using the spring in conjunction with an elastomer down the center of the spring to stiffen up the suspension a bit without locking it out.
Bruce, I suggest buying Cane Creek elastomers for a TB/LT sus seatpost. The guys are Cane Creek are terrific and have sold me any part I've needed on other projects.

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Originally Posted by BruceMetras
Great Cranky P !! Nice job on your Mini-Tourer!! I don't know if you have addressed the rear suspension, but it could easily be locked out by replacing the spring with something like a Delron bushing of the same general diameter and length.. Since I am pushing 190+lbs, I may play with using the spring in conjunction with an elastomer down the center of the spring to stiffen up the suspension a bit without locking it out... I'll have to experiment on the sly to keep my g/f from finding out I'm messing with her ride..

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Please let me know if you come up with something.
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Originally Posted by maunakea
Bruce, I suggest buying Cane Creek elastomers for a TB/LT sus seatpost. The guys are Cane Creek are terrific and have sold me any part I've needed on other projects.
Thanks Mighty Maunakea!... good tip to file away... btw, I should be on Maui end of October for a vacation week of leisure... looking forward to the magic of the Islands.

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Bruce, PM me at my username atsign teleport-asia.com
I'm teaching a class in Kihei on 20 Oct, so the MK bike will be on Maui.
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What's new for 2007?

As it is nearly October, any news on what will be new from downtube for the 2007 models? DT Mini in different colors or with front suspension? Any further changes to the FS models? Any new models?

Inquiring minds want to know...
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I bought a Downtube IXFS through ebay. The bike arrived damaged, rear mech and hangar so bent the rear wheel couldn't turn. Various bits of paint damage and debris welded into the frame, so I have an interesting rattle wherever I go. It amuses children. The bag, supposedly a 50 value, fell apart before I used it.

Having replaced the rear mech at my own expense, I took the bike out for a spin. An easy spin around the block to test the bike before I use it on my daily commute. The chain split and hooked the rear mech ripping it clean off. New chain at my own expense.

Downtube doesn't want to know unless I ship the bike to the USA. As the service I have received has been so bad, I think I'll just be throwing good money after bad. The Paypal protection service tell me to do the same thing, even thought the bike came from Felixstowe.

With hindsight, I wish I had put my money into a Dahon, Birdy or Brompton. They would probably be cheaper in the long run.

After being reported for shill bidding, downtubes products suddenly droppe in value. By about 100. I remain highly suspect and am wary of buying anything from thiis company.

It's a great shame because I think the bike looks fantastic and, on the few occaisions when it has been roadworthy, great to ride.
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Originally Posted by blackheathnick
After being reported for shill bidding, downtubes products suddenly droppe in value. By about £100.
That's a pretty serious allegation. Do you have any publicly available information that you can point to which would tend to support this? If you do, you owe it to the group to share it, as it could affect many buyers' decisions. If you don't, I would encourage you to retract or edit your post. Critical comments are fair. Slander is not. At this writing, I know not in which category your comment falls.

EDIT: I've noticed that Downtube's ebay listings are always (it seems) private listings which prevent you from seeing the bid progression or the IDs of the bidders. Even if DT were using shills in the bidding, how could you know that? If it's been reported to Ebay -- and verified -- then why hasn't Ebay banned DT? If your bike arrived broken and you have sour grapes, I can sympthasize, but if you cant produce any evidence which tends to support your allegation of shill bidding, then your begging for trouble if you don't retract or edit it.

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Old 09-23-06, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by elysium
As it is nearly October, any news on what will be new from downtube for the 2007 models? DT Mini in different colors or with front suspension? Any further changes to the FS models? Any new models?

Inquiring minds want to know...
I am sorry but I will not post anything about our new models until they arrive in early March. We are very happy with our bikes and will not change them much.

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Frankly can't complain about my UK-purchased DT IXFS - great bike, a few gear niggles were easily sorted out over the phone with a very helpful Yan. Paintwork fine. And no rattles or squeaks so far. As for Ebay prices - I bought mine a couple of months ago for £180-ish. Since then DT bikes have gone for between £101 and £250. Recently front suspension models have gone for £103 and £203 in the space of a week or so. This suggests an as yet immature market, but nothing more. The only shame about DT is that UK buyers probably won't have an opportunity to buy the 2007 bikes...
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Originally Posted by blackheathnick
I bought a Downtube IXFS through ebay.
I do not wish to rehash insane situations in public. This customer has been trouble from day 1. About one month ago I notified him that he is not welcome to buy anything from us again. I also wish he bought a Birdy or Dahon.

Most of our bikes are great out of the box, however we take care of all problems when they arise. We expect parts sent to us to be warrantied. If no defective parts are sent to us, we do not send out replacements.....a very simple policy. Unfortunately, some customers try to dictate a warranty (or customer service) policy for us to follow. We are very happy with our policy and respectfully attempt to stay away from situations with troublesome buyers.


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Many of the regulars on the forum own or have owned DTs, and have high regard for Yan, his engineering, and his product. If the 30-day satisfaction period expired, whose fault is that?
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Just an update. I just ordered the Harris Cyclery Trekking handle bars and the Thudbuster. My DT will finally be complete in another week. Thanks Mauna for the thud hack advice, I'll definitely be implementing the extra circle at the bottom of the V. I went with the 28.6mm Quick Release collar from nashbar as opposed to the larger one.
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BigMacFU, the TB let's you run Primo Kelvar Comets (or other 1.35 or smaller tire) at full pop and yet feel like you have Big Apples at mid-inflation. You'll like it. The TB is some sweet engineering.
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Thanks Mauna, that's what I've read. I have the Marathon 306 2006's because I need the puncture protection running in NYC, and I kept them at the original 1.75 back end and 1.5 front end. I figured if I was about to drop 60 bucks on a pair of nice bike shorts (velowear), why not go the extra mile and hope I won't need to buy the shorts, especially because the TB has applications across any biking I'd ever want to do, or any bike for that matter.
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BMFU, with the TB mounted, bike shorts are more a factor of saddle shape. IMO, narrow, racing saddles assume the use of padded shorts. Try a broader, gel saddle with the TB and I bet you don't need padded shorts.
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shill bidding

All I know is that after being reported for shill bidding, the price dropped dramatically. I will never know. Only Downtube and ebay can tell us that. The postage also mysteriously went up (nearly doubled last time I looked). The 'buy it now' option disappeared for a bit, but has now returned, with the former lower postage rate. All this combined with secret bidding seems very strange to me. In fact, it's the only example I know of hidden identities on ebay.
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Missing message

Strange, I never got the invitation to not buy again. Not that I would have. Once bitten twice shy.
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It is odd, offputting, and needing an explanation that there are all those bidders on ebay with their names concealed. Whoever it is, they are not doing downtubes brand image any good. I was going to bid, but when I saw the (non) list of bidders I held back. As Marvin said, whats goin' on?
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sorry, I should have read every page before, but didn't . Ignore my previous, done to death already, apologies.
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Originally Posted by gringo_gus
It is odd, offputting, and needing an explanation that there are all those bidders on ebay with their names concealed. Whoever it is, they are not doing downtubes brand image any good. I was going to bid, but when I saw the (non) list of bidders I held back. As Marvin said, whats goin' on?
FWIW... I agree that Downtube invites scrutiny and skepticism by choosing to make all of its auctions "private." Ebay says this about private auctions:
Would you like your buyers' identities to remain anonymous? When you create a private listing, a buyer's User ID will not appear in the listing or in the listing's bid history.

When to Use a Private Listing
While there are some cases where private listings are appropriate, such as the sale of high-priced ticket items or approved pharmaceutical products, you should only make your listing private for a specific reason.

DT's choice to make its auctions private won't t necessarily motivate me to avoid buying a DT on ebay due to this -- especially considering that the ebay prices are consistently under DT's website prices -- but I'd certainly be more inclined if DT's auctions were not private. A private auction doens't mean anything is amiss, but it raises questions. I'm kind of surprised that DT has made this choice.

My $0.02.
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Originally Posted by SoonerLater
FWIW... I agree that Downtube invites scrutiny and skepticism by choosing to make all of its auctions "private." Ebay says this about private auctions:
Would you like your buyers' identities to remain anonymous? When you create a private listing, a buyer's User ID will not appear in the listing or in the listing's bid history.

When to Use a Private Listing
While there are some cases where private listings are appropriate, such as the sale of high-priced ticket items or approved pharmaceutical products, you should only make your listing private for a specific reason.

DT's choice to make its auctions private won't t necessarily motivate me to avoid buying a DT on ebay due to this -- especially considering that the ebay prices are consistently under DT's website prices -- but I'd certainly be more inclined if DT's auctions were not private. A private auction doens't mean anything is amiss, but it raises questions. I'm kind of surprised that DT has made this choice.

My $0.02.

Come on guys, do you think this is a conspiracy? I just bought one for a very reasonable price, no sniping, no tomfoolery. I'm supposed to get the bike soon! Can't wait.

There will always be psycho customers and misunderstandings. Obviously Yan is very responsive and an honest guy. This was probably just a conflict thing.

PS, I would keep my auctions private, too, if I were selling the same thing over and over. People will otherwise only bid low ball bids, and no money will be made!
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