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Old 10-14-22, 06:14 PM
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What does such a stupid empty post bring to the topic ?
It's quite understandable that you would be bothered by it. For it reminds us all of the condescending cheap shots that you've taken at these bikes and their provenance, and shows you in your true light.
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This - a person condescending and denigrating bikes and gear due primarily or solely to their low price and place of manufacture - should have been nipped in the bud several months ago. Instead most people here remained silent or cheered on. You made your bed...
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Originally Posted by Ron Damon View Post
This - a person condescending and denigrating bikes and gear due primarily or solely to their low price and place of manufacture - should have been nipped in the bud several months ago. Instead most people here remained silent or cheered on. You made your bed...
Most people saw no problem. You unjustly attack him for slights that only you see. Jipe, adds to the knowledge base. You do as well, but you can't seem to avoid attacking people. I am a free speech type of person, but the group was better off before you joined.
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Hey, how about that new Origami Swift?

Xootr offered the stem posts in an extra long size, will Origami have that option?
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Originally Posted by seat_boy View Post
Hey, how about that new Origami Swift?

Xootr offered the stem posts in an extra long size, will Origami have that option?
we can. How long would you like them to be?
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Zootr had offered

125 grams (60 mm, 5 D), 140 grams (60 mm, 35 D), 180 grams (120 mm, 25 D)
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we can. How long would you like them to be?

Options for tall cyclists would be nice. Maybe made to accommodate a 36” inseam or more. I think the original Xootr could handle people as tall as 6'7”.

As far as I know there is only one folding bike for tall people. The tall Brompton, which I test rode, but I like the Xootr Swift more both for ride and affordability. Bike Friday excluded since it is more of a travel bicycle.

Combining a 300 lb. weight limit with options for taller cyclists would be a great pairing.


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These are the stem lengths. Stems are cheap and easy to replace.

I'm talking about the post that goes between the headset and the stem. My Xootr (bought used) has a 250mm post, and I have to use a threaded to threadless adapter to get a bit more height. I would like to see at least 300mm... to go along with the assuredly coming XL size

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Zootr had offered

125 grams (60 mm, 5 D), 140 grams (60 mm, 35 D), 180 grams (120 mm, 25 D)
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Okay, the riser. Here is what was offered.


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Looks like you don’t need to change the frame size to accommodate taller riders. A smaller frame with which you can do this also means you are able offer smaller riders the ability to own such a bicycle. As a short person 5’4’’, I find that manufacturers tend to focus on taller average riders with large frames and wheels. Try and find a medium quality bike with 20,24 or 26 inch wheels.

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Originally Posted by jfouellette View Post
Looks like you don’t need to change the frame size to accommodate taller riders. A smaller frame with which you can do this also means you are able offer smaller riders the ability to own such a bicycle. As a short person 5’4’’, I find that manufacturers tend to focus on taller average riders with large frames and wheels. Try and find a medium quality bike with 20,24 or 26 inch wheels.
Yes,. we can offer the stem and seat post sets if the bike is for someone still growing, or if the bike changes hands.
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Originally Posted by jfouellette View Post
Looks like you don’t need to change the frame size to accommodate taller riders. A smaller frame with which you can do this also means you are able offer smaller riders the ability to own such a bicycle.
This is trivially true of any bicycle. Nevertheless sizes are better.

As a short person 5’4’’, I find that manufacturers tend to focus on taller average riders with large frames and wheels. Try and find a medium quality bike with 20,24 or 26 inch wheels.
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I would love to own a Swift, so good luck to you in your new venture Paul.

As with your other bikes, shipping to Europe would be an issue for me.

Was a time I visited the US a lot, and disassembled a DT Mini with my late uncle, which later got stolen here in the UK.

Hey, a life told by episodes with a folding bike

Good luck again !!!11
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I would love to own a Swift, so good luck to you in your new venture Paul.

As with your other bikes, shipping to Europe would be an issue for me.

Was a time I visited the US a lot, and disassembled a DT Mini with my late uncle, which later got stolen here in the UK.

Hey, a life told by episodes with a folding bike

Good luck again !!!11
We can always find a way to get one to the UK.
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OK, here is the final prototype. I know that some of you don't like the rack, but it is stronger than our other options, and it looks pretty good in black. We will begin production in about 2-weeks.

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That ring is cool.

Some oddball questions...

Does the seat post have a min insertion marking and does said marking account for the needs of this bike in particular? or asking another way how far down into the lower half of the seat tube must the seat post go

What's the chain line? standard 1x not-boost, like 49mm ish? With a single ring on a double crankset is the ring in the right plane?

Should I not ask about weight?
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Congratulations, Paul! Hope you had fun developing this idea. I'm glad you did it. New Origami animal in the stable!

Have you come to any firm decisions about production colours yet?

The rack is fine as far as it goes, (useful for some people) but I hope that you put out plenty of photos featuring the bike without the rack on it. It's a very pretty machine and also sleek and fast. The rack detracts from its good looks and appeal as a speedy bike. My own bias says a Swift is a fast road bike substitute that goes anywhere I want it to, be it me pedalling it up a mountain or around town or it folded in the boot of a car or tucked with the luggage under a bus. The world of folding bikes needs an affordable answer to the expensive Pocket Rockets, Moultons and Tyrells. The Swift is the one. It's a better bike than all of those. But that's just my opinion.

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OK, here is the final prototype. I know that some of you don't like the rack, but it is stronger than our other options, and it looks pretty good in black. We will begin production in about 2-weeks.

Is the rack high enough and placed enough to the rear to allow to carry rear pannier without hitting them with the heel while pedaling ?

If its not possible to use rear pannier, the rack loose a lot of its utility.
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Originally Posted by Darth Lefty View Post
That ring is cool.

Some oddball questions...

Does the seat post have a min insertion marking and does said marking account for the needs of this bike in particular? or asking another way how far down into the lower half of the seat tube must the seat post go

What's the chain line? standard 1x not-boost, like 49mm ish? With a single ring on a double crankset is the ring in the right plane?

Should I not ask about weight?
Good questions! Yes, there is a minimum insertion of 80mm into the bottom portion of the seat post tube.

The chianline is 49mm +/-

Well, the production weight will be a little lower, but I will get an exact weight soon.

Oh, the chainring is the same one that we use on our Lotus model. It is made by Lightpro
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Congratulations, Paul! Hope you had fun developing this idea. I'm glad you did it. New Origami animal in the stable!

Have you come to any firm decisions about production colours yet?

The rack is fine as far as it goes, (useful for some people) but I hope that you put out plenty of photos featuring the bike without the rack on it. It's a very pretty machine and also sleek and fast. The rack detracts from its good looks and appeal as a speedy bike. My own bias says a Swift is a fast road bike substitute that goes anywhere I want it to, be it me pedalling it up a mountain or around town or it folded in the boot of a car or tucked with the luggage under a bus. The world of folding bikes needs an affordable answer to the expensive Pocket Rockets, Moultons and Tyrells. The Swift is the one. It's a better bike than all of those. But that's just my opinion.
I plan to offer this green, a glossy white with black trim, and a gloss or matte black with black trim. We may do a silver as a nod to tradition..

I will get some photos without the rack.
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Is the rack high enough and placed enough to the rear to allow to carry rear pannier without hitting them with the heel while pedaling ?

If its not possible to use rear pannier, the rack loose a lot of its utility.
Yes, the idea was to have the rack high enough to keep panniers out of the way of pedaling. Because of the fold-under style, the higher rack doesn't significantly increase the folded size.
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Excellent !

Its a major drawback on some folding bikes like the Brompton to have a rear rack that doesn't allow to carry rear pannier.
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I'm wondering if the wheels were black for all trims, they would work well and look consistent. Plus make production easier across all the trims.

For the all black, if the Origami logo and minor highlights were in a red, that might pop. Possible alternative with the rear arms in a matching red. Two tone. That could convey the speed of this machine.

Or you could go stealth with gloss dark grey lettering over the matte black.

I like the simplicity of colors. It gives owners the chance to customize. I'm wondering if it would be possible to replace the front stem with a folding stem from Dahon or Tern on our own to reduce the fold but am guessing it would affect the feel of the ride.
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