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Old 11-02-22, 04:18 AM
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I'm wondering if the wheels were black for all trims, they would work well and look consistent. Plus make production easier across all the trims.

For the all black, if the Origami logo and minor highlights were in a red, that might pop. Possible alternative with the rear arms in a matching red. Two tone. That could convey the speed of this machine.

Or you could go stealth with gloss dark grey lettering over the matte black.

I like the simplicity of colors. It gives owners the chance to customize. I'm wondering if it would be possible to replace the front stem with a folding stem from Dahon or Tern on our own to reduce the fold but am guessing it would affect the feel of the ride.
The wheels on the production versions will all be black. The green on the prototype was just my own effort of having fun.
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Pinigis the bike looks great, good job with it all!

What is the projected pricing for the bike?
Will there be a frame only option?
What is the likely pricing for frame only if there will be?
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Originally Posted by iamdougsbike View Post
Pinigis the bike looks great, good job with it all!

What is the projected pricing for the bike?
Will there be a frame only option?
What is the likely pricing for frame only if there will be?
We are going to keep the price the same as the Swift when it was available: $899. We will probably do a discounted pre-order pricing in December or January.
We will do a frame-only option as well, but pricing isn't determined yet.
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Originally Posted by Pinigis View Post
We are going to keep the price the same as the Swift when it was available: $899. We will probably do a discounted pre-order pricing in December or January.
We will do a frame-only option as well, but pricing isn't determined yet.
Any plans to produce the clamp on front derailleur hanger? Is the down tube the same size as the Xootr version because some existing owners might be interested in buying those as well.
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Any plans to produce the clamp on front derailleur hanger? Is the down tube the same size as the Xootr version because some existing owners might be interested in buying those as well.
The tube is not the same diameter as the original Swift because we have employed a larger seat post. We will braze on a front hanger.
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Originally Posted by Pinigis View Post
The tube is not the same diameter as the original Swift because we have employed a larger seat post. We will braze on a front hanger.

Been missing this thread. Just wanted to add that it's looking very, very nice.

Personally, I like more understated paint job...but I'm an old fart
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Been missing this thread. Just wanted to add that it's looking very, very nice.

Personally, I like more understated paint job...but I'm an old fart
We will offer the Swift in black, white, green, and maybe silver. So we will have some old-fart color choices.
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Originally Posted by mlau View Post
Been missing this thread. Just wanted to add that it's looking very, very nice.

Personally, I like more understated paint job...but I'm an old fart
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We will offer the Swift in black, white, green, and maybe silver. So we will have some old-fart color choices.
Yup,....old farts for da win!
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From the Instagram page 1 week ago, "We are beginning a production run now and should have the bikes available in early May. We are going to offer some pre-production pricing in March."
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OK, here is the final prototype. I know that some of you don't like the rack, but it is stronger than our other options, and it looks pretty good in black. We will begin production in about 2-weeks.
The seatpost diameter looks much more narrow than the original Swift, does this translate into more seatpost flex and ride comfort? My only real complaint about the original was how stiff everything felt, with some of the bigger bumps feeling like I was punched in the undercarriage. This was with schwalbe marathons.
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A few pages ago when we asked about it, it was still 33.9mm
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A few pages ago when we asked about it, it was still 33.9mm
I see, too bad then. Other than that then the bike does look great!

I am sure this was probably a ready asked but do the handle bars finally have a folding hinge like on a dahon?
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Originally Posted by 2bridges1bike View Post
I see, too bad then. Other than that then the bike does look great!

I am sure this was probably a ready asked but do the handle bars finally have a folding hinge like on a dahon?
The handlebars clip on and off with a quick release. Keeps everything simple, light and rigid without adding flex. It's also designed so that it takes any standard stem and bars, which is great because you can swap out different bar/stem combos depending on what characteristics or ride position one desires. For example, I prefer very low flatbars on a very low stem which gives me a rather aggressive riding position similar to riding the hoods on a racing bike. However, I could change it out. With a riser stem and different handlebars I could give the bike an upright riding position which would make it feel less aggressive and more relaxed (I'd only do that for a very special guest though, as I want my bike to perform like its name suggests - swiftly..
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Also, I suspect that the seatpost diameter is extra wide to give more surface area for the two quick releases to hold onto. I think that the stiffness of the bike is one of its best attributes. This new Origami version is going to be made of steel rather than aluminium, so it might feel a bit more comfortable and compliant to you. Wider tyres could help further dampen the bumps on the ride. It's possible Xootr might still have some Thidbister seatposts in stock. None of this is my preference though. I find that my aluminium Xootr is just about right for the bike rides I love to do. It's light, fun to ride and comfortable in the saddle over long distances. But then I ride perched on my saddle over the bars like a roadie.

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Originally Posted by 2bridges1bike View Post
I see, too bad then. Other than that then the bike does look great!

I am sure this was probably a ready asked but do the handle bars finally have a folding hinge like on a dahon?
33.9, mm is a very large diameter seat post for better rigidity. There is a quick release that allows you to either rotate the handlebar 90 degrees to minimize the folded width, or pop the whole thing off and nest it over the frame.
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We did modify the design of the rear rack so that the bike will stand upright when in its folded position. Of course you can leave the seat post in and pop off the handlebar for a more compact package.


The new rack allows the Origami Swift to stand in its folded positon.
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More specs from the instagram page,

20" folding frame of chromoly steel
20" chromoly fork
580 mm aluminum handlebar
33.9 x 580 mm seat post
Sealed bearing headset for easier packing for travel
Sensah RX10 10-speed derailleur and gear selector
Kamros hydraulic disc brakes
double-wall aluminum rims
Alloy rack for panniers and as a stand when folded
58T aluminum chainring
11-42T 10-speed cassette (26 to 99 gear-inch range)

Also, from the instagram page, "Pre-order now for a special discounted price.. email or DM us!! "
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I see, too bad then. Other than that then the bike does look great!

I am sure this was probably a ready asked but do the handle bars finally have a folding hinge like on a dahon?
I just looked at the old Swift spec and it shows the seat post at 34mm, our new version is the more-standard 33.9mm. Not much of a difference.
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What do you want to bet...

Anyhow, I think that guy was hoping for smaller. Maybe he can get a thudbuster or a redshift. Or not use Marathons, which IME are like rocks
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The original xootr swift had full length cable housing for the rim brake and shifter. This new one has the partial housing for the shifter (no housing under the top tube and seat stay). Does anyone consider that a negative or step back?
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The original xootr swift had full length cable housing for the rim brake and shifter. This new one has the partial housing for the shifter (no housing under the top tube and seat stay). Does anyone consider that a negative or step back?
I don't know why anyone would. Sealed ferrules keep contaminates out. Housing stops replace compressible sections of housing with compression-less sections of bike frame. Crispness & response is improved in relation to length of housing removed. Especially with coiled brake housing...and less shifting friction is always better.

On a general level: Galvanized cables exposed to the elements are gonna look corrosion grey & swell up sooner. So, there is that. But after years of service life cables should be replaced anyway.

It's a non-issue.
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We finally have production underway and will be delivering bikes in May (barring any unforeseen Covid issues). I decided to do just two colors for this initial run: the green you see above, and a medium grey metallic for the old farts. Both will have black rims in lieu of the color-matched option since that didn't seem to go over very well with the members of the forum. We did add bottle mounts to the top tube as well as on the handlebar mast (thanks to the forum for this suggestion). Thanks also to the forum for the reminder about taller riders; we will have a taller handlebar mount and longer stem for folks over 6'0". As of last night the bike is available on our site at a preorder discount (this will end either when we have enough orders or we get close to May).

Thank you all for your input, suggestions, scrutiny, and honesty. Just because we may not have employed one of your suggestions doesn't mean that we have dismissed it either. This is just the beginning, we have the option to make make just about any variation you can think of as we proceed.
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We finally have production underway and will be delivering bikes in May (barring any unforeseen Covid issues). I decided to do just two colors for this initial run: the green you see above, and a medium grey metallic for the old farts. Both will have black rims in lieu of the color-matched option since that didn't seem to go over very well with the members of the forum. We did add bottle mounts to the top tube as well as on the handlebar mast (thanks to the forum for this suggestion). Thanks also to the forum for the reminder about taller riders; we will have a taller handlebar mount and longer stem for folks over 6'0". As of last night the bike is available on our site at a preorder discount (this will end either when we have enough orders or we get close to May).

Thank you all for your input, suggestions, scrutiny, and honesty. Just because we may not have employed one of your suggestions doesn't mean that we have dismissed it either. This is just the beginning, we have the option to make make just about any variation you can think of as we proceed.
What does it weigh? I must have missed this.
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What does it weigh? I must have missed this.
With the wider tires, larger gear set and chainring, rear rack, and folding pedals we are at 28 lbs. The weight-weenies out there are welcome to remove the rack, use skinny tires, etc. but there is a definitely a trade off in terms of performance and convenience.
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I wonder why you didn't go for the FSIR (Litepro Leo) design instead. Similar double-clamp 33.9mm seat-post design, but with a quicker, if not smaller fold. The FSIR's have been out for several years now and the design has stood the test of time.

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I wonder why you didn't go for the FSIR (Litepro Leo) design instead. Similar double-clamp 33.9mm seat-post design, but with a quicker, if not smaller fold. The FSIR's have been out for several years now and the design has stood the test of time.
Because people wanted the Swift resurrected, that's why. The ride quality is the most like a full size bike of any folder I've ever been on. With 20" wheels of course. There's Swift fans all over the world.
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