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Old 06-12-24, 09:43 AM
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Looking for 406 Alfine wheelset

Wasnít sure if requests belong in the marketplace sub for him or not so happening feel free to move this.

as the title says, I am looking for a 20 inch/406 wheel with Alfine 8 and/or Alfine 11 internally geared hub. Iím having a hard time finding a shop that sells this, and the only one I found is Utah trikes, but they are not responsive.

If anybody has such a wheel for sale or even a set with the front dynamo as well please contact me. Alternatively, if somebody can build these sets for me at a reasonable price, please let me know.

I would need the wheels shipped to Mexico, postal code 29230. Unfortunately, the bike shops here are not very savvy and I have yet to find a reliable wheel builder locally.
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Try SJS Cycles in the UK maybe? They might be able to mail you a custom set?
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In Montreal, C&L Cycles built my 406 wheels with Alfine 8 hub. They may be interested.

https://www.clcycle.ca/en/

Also found this used hub for sale.

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In CDN $. Could save a bit on the currency difference.

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Originally Posted by jfouellette
In Montreal, C&L Cycles built my 406 wheels with Alfine 8 hub. They may be interested.

https://www.clcycle.ca/en/

Also found this used hub for sale.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...49019102807591

In CDN $. Could save a bit on the currency difference.
Unfortunately they don't have Nexus IGH hubs or 20" wheels...
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There's a bike shop in my town that specializes in repair services for a IGH hubs (people commonly ship rear wheels there for service), and possibly also wheelbuilding, as they advertise drilling Rohloff hubs for more spoke holes for tandem bike builds. Can't hurt to inquire, and if they don't, they may know who can do it. Also, they may know whether Alfine 8 or 11 is better or worse, than each other. They also know about every IGH in production.

Aaron's Bike Repair, also known as Rat City Bikes, in Seattle WA. You should be able to find their web page online.

EDIT: Yes, they build wheels:

https://www.rideyourbike.com/wheelbuilding.shtml

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Or you could build a wheel from scratch after ordering the parts (hub + rim + spokes).

If you don't feel confident doing it yourself (it's not that hard, especially with a disk brake, in which case the wheel doesn't have to be perfect), you can try and find a shop that will build one from the parts you provided.

Here's a site with the infos needed to compute the spokes' length:

https://kstoerz.com/freespoke/hubs
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Originally Posted by Winfried
Or you could build a wheel from scratch after ordering the parts (hub + rim + spokes).

If you don't feel confident doing it yourself (it's not that hard, especially with a disk brake, in which case the wheel doesn't have to be perfect), you can try and find a shop that will build one from the parts you provided.

Here's a site with the infos needed to compute the spokes' length:

https://kstoerz.com/freespoke/hubs
That's a darned good suggestion. Very satisfying, and if you take your time, the build can come out fantastic, all you need to do is take things slow. The only thing on this particular wheelbuild, given the large diameter spoke flange and smaller rim, is picking the best spoke pattern, i.e., how many crosses, to both transmit drive torque well, and not overdo the spoke angle at the rim. However, "drilled and aimed" rims would minimize this, don't know how available. I personally would go for a rim with very high durability ratings in terms of resisting cracking at the spoke holes, if going to the trouble of building your own, you can pick best components. I wish they made double-socket/eyelet rims in 406, I have yet to see any.
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On smaller wheels, to reduce stress, I notice companies often lace spokes with all heads outward, not one-off like on bigger wheels.

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On smaller wheels, to reduce stress, I notice companies often lace spokes with all heads outward, not one-off like on bigger wheels.

I could see that being done. However, doing so means that the two spokes that cross about 1/3 of the way between the hub and rim, will not be pressing against each other hard, which is what makes laced wheels durable; As the spoke on the bottom of the wheel at the ground has its tension reduced due to compression of the rim there, the crossed spoke helps take up that loss of tension, and this makes the wheel more durable and the spokes not need to be as tight to maintain true. But more importantly, the first crossing of the spokes very near the hub flange, becomes nearly impossible; That cross, the spokes are not supposed to lace, but pass each other in the night without touching. Thus, (I think...) all heads outward is only possible with radial or other non-crossing spoke patterns, like "splayed" spokes with no crossing. Radial is impossible for a "torqued" drive wheel and or one with disc brakes. I've seen torqued wheels with crossed spokes only on the drive side and radial on the non-drive-side, for more equal spoke lengths. But for reasons mentioned, I like laced spokes all around.

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Thus, (I think...) all heads outward is only possible with radial or other non-crossing spoke patterns, like "splayed" spokes with no crossing.
I have a folder whose 20" rear wheel is laced thusly in 1x.

Don't know if that'd be adequate for a gear hub.
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Originally Posted by Winfried
I have a folder whose 20" rear wheel is laced thusly in 1x.

Don't know if that'd be adequate for a gear hub.
Thanks. OK, 1X would make sense because not a cross near the hub flange. The one cross will still have less preload against each other. What matters for torque transmission is the angle from radial, and with a larger diameter hub flange, the angle on 1X would probably be adequate. I've seen successful hubs that are 0X but the spokes are splayed so would cross at an imaginary point inboard of the hub flange.
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Ron, great info as usual, thanks. A couple questions:

Can you economically buy hubs, spokes, and rims at equal or less cost than built wheels? I would prefer to build my own wheels and select components, but it costs a lot more when I have looked.

Second, I *really* like what I have seen of "Z-bend" spokes; a) you can replace any spoke without removing the cassette (and thus not needing straight-pull hubs to get same, which are more expensive) (EDIT: No, not true, not inserted from cassette side, but will work for drive side inserted from inboard side of flange), and b) you can make any spoke length without a spoke thread roller, though you need special pliers to do so:

https://wheelfanatyk.com/blogs/blog/...u-need-to-know



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Originally Posted by Duragrouch
Ron, great info as usual, thanks. A couple questions:

Can you economically buy hubs, spokes, and rims at equal or less cost than built wheels?
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No, I don't think so. You'll have to pay more for build-it-yourself.
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No, I don't think so. You'll have to pay more for build-it-yourself.
Thanks. Yeah. That's usually the case. I just thought that with your incredible part costs, it might be different with you, but that means you must be getting fantastic prices on wheelsets too. I'm willing to buy built wheels and just give them a tune-up myself. I think I'd only buy components to use more durable rims, or straight-pull hubs. Another thing that'll wait until I have a disc bike.
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Originally Posted by Ron Damon
No, I don't think so. You'll have to pay more for build-it-yourself.
thanks for all the suggestions folks!
i fouls a local guy who says he can build wheels for me, although he doesnít seem to know much about sourcing custom spokes. Around here there are basically 4 sizes of spikes and thatís it.
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Originally Posted by ChiapasFixed
thanks for all the suggestions folks!
i fouls a local guy who says he can build wheels for me, although he doesnít seem to know much about sourcing custom spokes. Around here there are basically 4 sizes of spikes and thatís it.
Did you inquire with shops in CDMX?
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Originally Posted by Ron Damon
Did you inquire with shops in CDMX?
not yet. Itís still pretty far but shipping would definitely be less, as well as tax
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Originally Posted by ChiapasFixed
thanks for all the suggestions folks!
i fouls a local guy who says he can build wheels for me, although he doesnít seem to know much about sourcing custom spokes. Around here there are basically 4 sizes of spikes and thatís it.
In my post above about Z-bend spokes, they currently make a tool to do that, usually available at a store or online that has supplies for Radio Control (RC) airplanes and such, they are used to make control rods to custom length. You'd buy pre-threaded spokes longer than needed, then replace the standard J-head with a Z-bend.

Most bike shops now don't stock different length spokes, just different gauges (thickness) in "raw" length with standard J head at one end, and they have a machine to roll or form the threads on one end, based on the nipple threads and length. If you have a local bikeshop with that machine, you may be able to pay them to make your spokes to length.

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