Do you know when they will be in stores? but the $950 Red is Deore, which isn't quite up to the SRAM X7 set up on the Jetstream. |
Interesting. Many thanks! I found new 2005 Red and Yellow Birdies with Alivio for $900 in the box, so perhaps I'll go for one of them.
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Originally Posted by pm124
Interesting. Many thanks! I found new 2005 Red and Yellow Birdies with Alivio for $900 in the box, so perhaps I'll go for one of them.
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Had a good look at a new model grey Birdy Speed parked outside our local newsagent this morning in Hampstead. Have to say that it is not a pretty bike in the flesh - in fact rather ugly I'd venture. Far prefer the look of the Mezzo or indeed the Bromptons that seem to make up most of the North London folding bike fleet. <stands back to await a flaming from Birdy lovers world-wide>
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I don't like the look of Birdys either. Well the old ones (Ducks!)
It's the fork that makes them look like agricultural machinery I dislike and they need to do something new with that awful Crillee font... (Vodafone used to use it but wisely switched to Futura many moons ago font fact fans) http://image.linotype.com/samples/text/14614.gif |
When I had a Birdy, the first thing to go was the sticker which read "Birdy."
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I test rode a high end Birdy at a bike show and it was a very nice bicycle. The bike shifted like a $1,500.00 dollars bicycle should with quality components. If you join the Birdy Groups at Yahoo, there seems to be problems with agressive users with regards to the suspension.
I agree, with the comments regarding a custom made Bike Friday for the price of a Birdy. The high price of the Birdy in large part due to the poor exchange rate of the U.S. dollar. |
Go on then, as you've goaded me...!
@matt52 - Mezzo = Disability scooter. @Littlepixel - Modded Twenty = Mk I Ford Fiesta with "Go Faster Stripes". |
If you join the Birdy Groups at Yahoo, there seems to be problems with agressive users with regards to the suspension. |
Originally Posted by Fear&Trembling
Go on then, as you've goaded me...!
@Littlepixel - Modded Twenty = Mk I Ford Fiesta with "Go Faster Stripes". |
Originally Posted by pm124
The main reason I have to switch is not so much going slower in the city itself, but that the bike was delivered with some fork and frame damage, and may not be 100% safe. If the occasional pot hole snuck up on me, the right fork is more likely to go than the thin, small rims.
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Thanks everyone, and thanks DG1 for the safety advice. I'm working on getting a credit card purchase protection rebate to cover the forks. Invisiblehand (is your actual name Adam Smith?), thanks for the info on the new bikes. I see that they are cheap in Japan, so I might work on getting one there. I don't know anything about the Capreo set up, but it looks like many feel that it is close to the 105 group.
Littlepixel, I've always wondered why you Raleigh 20 folks don't throw dura ace on a cast iron Schwin Varsity so you can get it down to 30 pounds ;-) |
Originally Posted by pm124
Thanks everyone, and thanks DG1 for the safety advice. I'm working on getting a credit card purchase protection rebate to cover the forks. Invisiblehand (is your actual name Adam Smith?), thanks for the info on the new bikes. I see that they are cheap in Japan, so I might work on getting one there. I don't know anything about the Capreo set up, but it looks like many feel that it is close to the 105 group.
Littlepixel, I've always wondered why you Raleigh 20 folks don't throw dura ace on a cast iron Schwin Varsity so you can get it down to 30 pounds ;-) No, my name is not Adam Smith. But it is just my profession and I find Smith an interesting fellow. |
No, my name is not Adam Smith. But it is just my profession and I find Smith an interesting fellow. Are you one of the growing band of bewigged 18th century re-enactors?! |
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Thought I'd make a few comments as I saw the new Birdy at a cycleshow this weekend.
I used a birdy for about six months on a commute involving about 5 miles each way and a train ride (see pic). I found a lot of the problem areas of the bike when I had it have now been addressed. The new monocoque frame seems to be less of a sound box and the cables are routed differently (a lot of sound came from the cables jumping around in loose guides and hitting the frame). Schwalbe marathons are an excellent tire and one of the bikes at the show had big apples fitted without clearance issues as far as I could see. The seatpost now has offset and the standard stem is now adjustable for height. The hinges are re-designed and the front fork has a little more rake at the dropout which I believe may help with shimmy. The bike can still eat itself, but I had some success with glueing small squares of innertube rubber to the areas where contact is made. The standard gearing is still too low and I would only consider the dual drive model if you plan to ride the bike regularly. I now ride a dahon jetstream which I feel is more robust but I found the suspension superior on the birdy. Hope this is helpful to someone. |
Thanks Invisiblehand and Samb76! I'll try Santa Fe, but it sounds like the new models may be worth the wait.
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Curious chainguide atrached to the bottom of the RD cage in the tour_lg pix. what problem does it solve?
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Originally Posted by Samb76
The standard gearing is still too low and I would only consider the dual drive model if you plan to ride the bike regularly.
I now ride a dahon jetstream which I feel is more robust but I found the suspension superior on the birdy. Hope this is helpful to someone. The standard gearing maybe low but the Birdy was never really a fast road bike to begin with. The suspension on the Birdy works well enough not to require a seat post (suspension) but you'll take a performance hit regardless. |
Curious chainguide atrached to the bottom of the RD cage in the tour_lg pix. what problem does it solve? It seems like they changed the geometry of the seating position to one more straight up. I'm glad they finally addressed the issue of the handlebar because that one size fits all does not work. The suspension on the Birdy works well enough not to require a seat post (suspension) but you'll take a performance hit regardless. |
Yes, the thing that makes the Birdy so attractive is that it doesn't have a frame hinge and offers full suspension with a light weight bike. In my mind, the smaller fold and sturdier frame are big selling points. I like the fact that it places all the vectors of force on two rubber elastomers rather than on a weak hinge. Presumably, the Jetsream is just as inefficient, no?
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Originally Posted by Dahon.Steve
It seems like they changed the geometry of the seating position to one more straight up. I'm glad they finally addressed the issue of the handlebar because that one size fits all does not work.
The standard gearing maybe low but the Birdy was never really a fast road bike to begin with. The suspension on the Birdy works well enough not to require a seat post (suspension) but you'll take a performance hit regardless. The Dahon Jetsteam P8 gets around the problem of suspension losses by setting the suspension very hard with no sag or float, which means the suspension is only useful for medium size bumps and still transmits a lot of vibrations. In practice both bikes have slightly iffy steering compared to un-suspended models. I wonder how the latest incarnation of the Birdy 20" fares? http://dev.juppo.co.jp/2plus4/Moku_K/n104.html On the question of speed, I think folding bikes should have the potential. I've been very impressed at the number of 20mph+ athletic brompton riders in London this summer. |
I wonder how the latest incarnation of the Birdy 20" fares? http://dev.juppo.co.jp/2plus4/Moku_K/n104.html |
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