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Tovar 07-14-08 05:02 AM

If my bike is NOT done for going FAST, don't use it for high speeding.

Is not designed to go fast, I am already taking a risk.

If I want to go FAST, I need to be sure that it will stop properly when is time to do it. (A1 maintenance).

Regards

veloceleste 07-14-08 05:32 AM


Originally Posted by owlmaster08 (Post 7054795)
Yeah, those wobbles stink. At slower speeds, sometimes I have an itch, or need to adjust my backpack etc. I then hit a stick, bump, etc. Steering goes out of control (one hand can't bring it back in control).

When you ride one handed, do you move your hand towards the center of the handlebar closer to the stem? Doing so will give you more straight line control.

Diode100 07-14-08 05:50 AM

I thought the world record for a bicycle was 51.29 mph, that from a Moulton AM with a fairing on, thats what, about 82 kmh ?

nigelme 07-14-08 06:25 AM


Originally Posted by Diode100 (Post 7054993)
I thought the world record for a bicycle was 51.29 mph, that from a Moulton AM with a fairing on, thats what, about 82 kmh ?

The fastest landspeed on a bicycle is apparently 152.2mph, yes, that is so incredible i'll say it again 152.2mph. Claimed by http://www.canosoarus.com/08LSRbicycle/LSR%20Bike01.htm
I personally think 'drafting' a rocket is cheating.

The World Unpaced Cycling record was in 1986 at the 3rd international HPV scientific symposium at Vancouver achieved by Jim Glover on a Moulton AM7 with a speed of 51.29 mph over 200m (fully faired conventional riding position). :speedy:

Diode100 07-14-08 06:37 AM


Originally Posted by nigelme (Post 7055092)
The World Unpaced Cycling record was in 1986 at the 3rd international HPV scientific symposium at Vancouver achieved by Jim Glover on a Moulton AM7 with a speed of 51.29 mph over 200m (fully faired conventional riding position). :speedy:


Pity he didn't use his R20 Stowaway, then he could really have shown them something !

Personally, the thought riding a bike at 50 mph on a public road, probably strewn with clag and minute debris, is seriously scary, but maybe I'm just a wuss.

pengyou 07-14-08 06:42 AM

Thanks! It seems I hit a nerve here :) I will play around with my seat position and handle bar height. I have noticed that I spend a lot of time looking at the ground when I go downhill...that could magnify the effects of the speed considerably.

Sammyboy 07-14-08 07:45 AM


Originally Posted by what bike? (Post 7054664)
juan i dont think you could do that on a straight on a folder, my mate is a pro cycler and he can only do 30mph hammering it on a flat straight road.

Come on. I can sprint up to 30 on the flat on a vintage roadie. I'm pretty sure I could do it on my IXFS if I had the gearing. Heck, even with the gearing I've got, I could probably spin it with a supreme effort. Give me better tyres and about 85 gear inches, and I'm certain I could.

taser 07-14-08 07:49 AM

The top speed for a folder is 88 mph. After that point, fire erupts from your tires and you start hearing Huey Lewis tunes.

http://www.brinkleys.org/users/tsl/Files/btf.jpg

juan162 07-14-08 10:01 AM

Speed really has nothing to do with the size of your wheel. It's largely a matter of fitness and enough gear inches. With that said, I know I can sprint faster than 30 mph on a flat for a short distance. I couldn't maintain it for a long period of time, but that's why they call it a sprint.:) I will tell you one thing-my twenty easily weighs 29lbs so if iknow I'm going out on a fast group ride, I would sooner grab my 18lb road bike.

cooker 07-14-08 10:46 AM


Originally Posted by juan162 (Post 7056451)
Speed really has nothing to do with the size of your wheel. It's largely a matter of fitness and enough gear inches.

People are muddling two issues here.

How fast you can ride on the flats in low windspeed conditions? That depends on your fitness, technique, aerodynamic positioning and bike design.

How fast you can safely ride on a steep downhill before the bike becomes too hard to control? That depends in large part on the stability of the bike at high speeds. This is what the OP wanted feedback on.

SesameCrunch 07-14-08 11:25 AM


Originally Posted by nigelme (Post 7055092)
The fastest landspeed on a bicycle is apparently 152.2mph, yes, that is so incredible i'll say it again 152.2mph. Claimed by http://www.canosoarus.com/08LSRbicycle/LSR%20Bike01.htm
I personally think 'drafting' a rocket is cheating.

The World Unpaced Cycling record was in 1986 at the 3rd international HPV scientific symposium at Vancouver achieved by Jim Glover on a Moulton AM7 with a speed of 51.29 mph over 200m (fully faired conventional riding position). :speedy:

:eek::eek:Rocket pacing! That's insane! :eek::eek:

Sure would like to try it some time :o...

maranen 07-14-08 11:44 AM


Originally Posted by cooker (Post 7056830)
How fast you can safely ride on a steep downhill before the bike becomes too hard to control? That depends in large part on the stability of the bike at high speeds. This is what the OP wanted feedback on.

I think this relates to if you can ride the bike without hands. Am I wrong assuming that the bike is safer in high speeds if you can ride it without hands in low speed on a level road? I’m thinking of this scenario: you ride 50 km downhill – you must take your other hand from the handle bar – the front tyre hits a small pebble.

cooker 07-14-08 02:26 PM


Originally Posted by maranen (Post 7057335)
I think this relates to if you can ride the bike without hands. Am I wrong assuming that the bike is safer in high speeds if you can ride it without hands in low speed on a level road? I’m thinking of this scenario: you ride 50 km downhill – you must take your other hand from the handle bar – the front tyre hits a small pebble.

I don't think I'd let go of the bars cruising downhill at speed. But there's probably some truth to what you say. Bikes with less twitchy steering, ie, that have a large positive trail and thus are easy to ride 'no hands', are possibly safer at hgh speed than bikes with quick steering. However, high speed bike wobble is poorly understood and difficult to predict.

mulleady 07-14-08 03:33 PM

The maximum safe speed for a folder on British motorways would be 70mph and 30mph in residential areas. Same as cars really. Sammyboy is a threat when at full pelt in residential areas of Southampton or London. He would need a Dahon Speed Pro to be allowed on the motorways.

People have been seen breaking these speed limits after seeing Sammyboy riding naked behind them on his Downtube FS-FS (Full Suspension-Fully Starkers!) Unfortunately it did not trigger the speed cameras much to the anger of the local police in Hampshire.

I do know that an orange Downtube FS exceeded 70mph yesterday quite safely. It was in the back of Snafu21's not so green 4x4 returning after a Hyde Park Folding Society meeting :D

foldie 07-15-08 12:41 AM

i went almost 60km/h when going down a steep and long slope on my mod dahon vitesse..still stable but not advisable..i don't think any of the brakes on a stock foldy is able to stop the bike in time..especially with 20' wheels..

stevegor 07-15-08 07:45 AM

Gentlemen, we need to settle this ONCE and for all.....I propose we all meet at the top of some insanely steep mountain road, somewhere in Bolivia or Columbia and see who can reach the fastest speed while negotiating impossibly crazy hairpin bends...that don't have guard rails. The winner is the rider who doesn't plunge to their death. :bike2:

cooker 07-15-08 08:27 AM

You mean like Bolivia's highway of death?

http://bp2.blogger.com/_BqWviijUrNw/...ighway-8-1.jpg

http://bp2.blogger.com/_BqWviijUrNw/...ighway-6-1.jpg

what bike? 07-15-08 10:33 AM

only time ive had a wobble was on a scooter on a sandy beach, it wobbled becuase of big ripples in the sand and i ended up flying off face planted myself in the sand and whacked my shin on the scooter. and i did this when i was 10 LOL, ive never experienced a wobble on a bike but i think i would be able to controll it. If you just keep your bike in a straight line then you should have no wobbles, and before coming to a turning or w/e then slowly put pressure on the breaks instead of whacking them on when you meet the corner or you might end up faceplanting yourself (yes i have done this aswell :)) so i have learned from my experiences :D

mulleady 07-15-08 10:34 AM

No problem doing that downhill on my Brompton lol!

what bike? 07-15-08 11:09 AM

sammy, also i think you could not do 30mph on a flat straight on a folder, once i get a new folder ill buy a speedo go down the big hill i was talking about and see how fast i go, ill also peddle in top gear downhill all the way.

Fat Boy 07-15-08 12:33 PM

I hit about 45 on a very steep (although not that long) hill on my Friday. That's about as fast as I have any need or inclination to go. As far as the wobble goes, the WORST thing you can do is hold the bars tight. That just makes it worse. The trick is to carry most of your weight on the pedals and hold the bars loosely. I've had a wobble at about 30mph in a crit where there was a big crash right next to me. I clamped down on the bars and got a big wobble. I just had to force myself to let go, and the wobble went away. Nothing like a speed wobble during a sprint finish to get your heart rate up!

msincredible 07-15-08 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by Fat Boy (Post 7064937)
As far as the wobble goes, the WORST thing you can do is hold the bars tight. That just makes it worse. The trick is to carry most of your weight on the pedals and hold the bars loosely.

+1, great advice. Use your abs to hold your body up so you don't put too much weight on the bars.

folder fanatic 07-15-08 01:10 PM

With any wheeled vehicle, I use the following formula to figure out what is a safe speed...

Density Of Surroundings (include people, traffic etc.) + Road Conditions (how well kept up) + Bike Conditions (brake condition, regular tune-up, whether or not I own the bike) = Right Speed To Ride.

Since I figured out this formula, I have had no major or overly scary problems-even suprises-cropping up.

JSnow789 07-15-08 01:22 PM

Speed Kills!

;)

I don't like going fast on my Strida at all... talk about wobbly... it's almost impossible at speed. I think this is why the excellent disc brakes were put on it!

snafu21 07-15-08 01:34 PM

5 mph on Stelvio tyres at 100 psi, on gravel. At 6mph, it threw me off.


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