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jeffy1021 11-04-08 12:40 PM


Originally Posted by pm124 (Post 7790368)
You seem to have captured a UFO in this picture. I hope you do not have any blank spots in your memory of this ride.

I've done extensive off road riding as well. It shines on pack dirt trails, but not very useful for deep ruts, powdery dust, deep mud, and so forth. Though moderate mud doesn't seem to matter much. It is an outstanding all around bike for international touring.

I can't afford the Intego version, so I rely on 2 chainrings in mountainous areas with steep climbs. Kind of a ghetto solution b/c the chain falls off when the bike is folded. This is a problem b/c one always folds right before eating, and not everywhere in the developing world has a sink with soap available. (Or in NYC for that matter.)

With my chainline, the bike automatically shifts onto the low front ring when progressing to low gears and then back to the high ring when going into high gears. Not for everyone, but cheap!

What tires do you run?

jur 11-04-08 08:50 PM

I'm just back from a 4-day 240km tour in south-western Victoria, with me on my Birdy and SWMBO on her Reach.

Very impressed. we stayed in accommodation for this tour so didn't carry camping gear. We each had 2 small panniers. My stuff was only a scanty 7kg, including the panniers.

The extra weight of the panniers on the frame made the ride even smoother. It felt like I was riding on soft balloon tires.

The Alivio gear shifting is wearing out far more rapidly than I expected. When new, it worked just fine. Now at 1600km, I have to push the shifter lever way past the click point to get the gear to engage. It works best if I downshift 2 clicks and then upshift 1 - that gives me a guaranteed shift. A single click just results in a grinding noise. If I adjust the shifter to give a guaranteed downshift, then it won't upshift. The shifter seems to have changed its pull ratio. :mad:

jur 11-04-08 09:31 PM


Originally Posted by msincredible (Post 7787428)

Apparently those aliens investigated folding the bike too; when they unfolded it, the gear cable formed a big loop. They didn't realise the cable has to go back to the front.

Looking at the saddle angle and comparing against your first pic, they also adjusted that...

ningnangnong 11-05-08 01:01 AM


Originally Posted by jur (Post 7793621)

The Alivio gear shifting is wearing out far more rapidly than I expected. When new, it worked just fine. Now at 1600km, I have to push the shifter lever way past the click point to get the gear to engage. It works best if I downshift 2 clicks and then upshift 1 - that gives me a guaranteed shift. A single click just results in a grinding noise. If I adjust the shifter to give a guaranteed downshift, then it won't upshift. The shifter seems to have changed its pull ratio. :mad:

I've found the gears on my Touring to be similar, which is the reason I'm about to upgrade (parts listed in another thread). That aside I'm enjoying it like you.

pm124 11-05-08 09:50 AM


Originally Posted by jeffy1021 (Post 7790693)
What tires do you run?

When touring, Marathons. When commuting (all pavement), Stelvios.

Congratulations world!

msincredible 11-05-08 05:28 PM


Originally Posted by jur (Post 7793889)
Apparently those aliens investigated folding the bike too; when they unfolded it, the gear cable formed a big loop. They didn't realise the cable has to go back to the front.

Looking at the saddle angle and comparing against your first pic, they also adjusted that...

:lol: :lol: yeah, sometimes I am not that careful when I put it together after a flight. :o I just adjust it as I go.

jeffy1021 11-05-08 07:02 PM


Originally Posted by pm124 (Post 7796104)
When touring, Marathons. When commuting (all pavement), Stelvios.

Congratulations world!

These are one the only knobbies I could find in 355. Do you think they're worth checking out or will even fit with enough clearance? Should I just stick with Marathons for light trails?

http://www.schwalbe.co.uk/c2-1054-sc...-mad-mike.html

jur 11-06-08 10:31 PM

I seem to have infected the local wildlife here...

a workmate whose 700c hybrid bike (see almost last pic in my ride to work photo essay in sig linky) has a busted rear wheel, has borrowed my Yeah for a week. This week he went out to St Kilda Cycles and bought a Birdy! Older frame still, with the 27sp hub geared setup, Birdy Blue. They are on special as the older frame style has been discontinued.

27sp! Jealous! :twitchy: At least I have the monocoque frame... :p

pm124 11-07-08 07:46 AM


Originally Posted by jeffy1021 (Post 7799248)
These are one the only knobbies I could find in 355. Do you think they're worth checking out or will even fit with enough clearance? Should I just stick with Marathons for light trails?

http://www.schwalbe.co.uk/c2-1054-sc...-mad-mike.html

The will definitely fit. The only possible clearance issue is with the front folding rack, which rides close to the front tire. If you don't have a lowrider, should fit.

As to the question of which tire to use, that's your call. Knobbies are one of the few things that will significantly slow a bike down. I would only use them if you plan on spending significant time in mud or otherwise really need them.

msincredible 11-09-08 09:31 AM

Did 56 miles on my Birdy today. :D

http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path...ide-2008-11-09

http://paularickert.net/albums/userpics/03-sgmonkey.JPG

http://paularickert.net/albums/userpics/02-sgmonkey.JPG

Stormclad 11-09-08 10:01 AM

Holy Monkeys! I'm from Singapore! I need ta work out on my Brommie i guess....
:p

Ride often in sg?

msincredible 11-09-08 04:29 PM


Originally Posted by Stormclad (Post 7817781)
Ride often in sg?

When I'm in town. I'll be here the whole week (leaving Sunday morning) and was planning on doing more riding when I get free time (pretty busy work schedule though).

Trying to decide where to go on Saturday, my free day. :)

pm124 11-09-08 04:41 PM


Originally Posted by msincredible (Post 7817671)
Did 56 miles on my Birdy today. :D

I just got back from 64 miles. Needed monkeys, but it was nice enough in the East Coast US fall.

taxi777 11-09-08 07:07 PM


Originally Posted by msincredible (Post 7817671)
Did 56 miles on my Birdy today. :D]

So all you've done is "monkey around?':roflmao2:

pm124 11-09-08 07:50 PM

Ms Incredible, how was the traffic? I notice that you were on city streets most of the time from the map.

pm124 11-09-08 08:16 PM

Hey everyone in North America, the Kojaks are here! http://www.schwalbetires.com/kojak Wire bead is in, Kevlar folding bead is coming. Great news. Now, what do I do with my 349 wheelset?

chainstrainer 11-09-08 09:23 PM

Now I just have to wait for the government to bail me out so I can afford those prices.

Stormclad 11-09-08 09:31 PM


Originally Posted by msincredible (Post 7819322)

Trying to decide where to go on Saturday, my free day. :)


Not sure if u've been there already, but the ECP- Changi area is rather scenic. Being quite the lazy bugger, I took the MRT with my Brommie to Pasir Ris Stn, then took the entrance to the park connector from around there. Was trying to find the the bike path to ECP from there, but unable to find it.

msincredible 11-10-08 08:35 AM


Originally Posted by Stormclad (Post 7820782)
Not sure if u've been there already, but the ECP- Changi area is rather scenic. Being quite the lazy bugger, I took the MRT with my Brommie to Pasir Ris Stn, then took the entrance to the park connector from around there. Was trying to find the the bike path to ECP from there, but unable to find it.

Thanks, yeah, I was there about a year ago but believe they have added to the paths since then.

I am thinking about being a bit ambitious (means getting up early): Ride to ECP, try out the cable waterskiing.

Then on to Changi, and from there take the ferry to Pulau Ubin and try some MTBing (well not sure how mountainous it is) for a while, then head back.

We'll see how far I actually get though. :p

msincredible 11-10-08 08:40 AM


Originally Posted by pm124 (Post 7820189)
Ms Incredible, how was the traffic? I notice that you were on city streets most of the time from the map.

I stick to the less-busy streets, so it's not too bad. I wouldn't really want to ride down Orchard. I have in the past ended up on the Expressways by mistake which is a bit interesting. :twitchy:

On the roads without a shoulder, I just stay in the middle of the left lane. This is often a bus-only lane.
As long as I am visible (bright bike and bright jersey help) and holding my position, then cars and buses go around me. If I am more on the left then they'll try to squeeze by in the same lane.

Sometimes I have to play a bit of leapfrog with the buses as they pass me, then go to a stop, I pass them, etc.

Although at home I am pretty comfortable getting to the left-turn lane while riding, I don't feel quite so ready to jump to the right-hand lanes here, so most of the time I cross, then cross again to do a right turn.

yangmusa 11-11-08 12:29 AM

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Last week I flew with my Birdy for the first time. I borrowed a Samsonite F'lite 31" case from a friend with a Bike Friday. As you can see, there was plenty of room for the Birdy! Once the bike was in, I still had room for all my clothes, shoes, helmet and tools. Fully packed the case weighed 48 lbs.

On Saturday, I did the Wurst Ride in Texas. 62 miles of Hill Country from Austin to New Braunfels, and I discovered why it's called HILL country - the rollers never end! It was a great ride on some very quiet country roads. I didn't take many pictures, and the one attached here isn't particularly scenic. I guess when it was really scenic I just wasn't thinking of taking pictures.

Apart from the ride, most of my trip was spent eating great quantities of Texas barbeque :p

bhkyte 11-12-08 09:48 AM

I like the look of Birdies. whats the front chain ring size ? do you find it under geared ?

Fear&Trembling 11-12-08 10:22 AM

56t on standard Birdy single ring/derailleur set ups. I found that pared with an 11t -32t cassette I was undergeared. I opted fora a bigger chainring as it was cheaper than a Capreo hub/cassette wheel build.

jur 11-12-08 02:13 PM


Originally Posted by Fear&Trembling (Post 7836592)
56t on standard Birdy single ring/derailleur set ups. I found that pared with an 11t -32t cassette I was undergeared. I opted fora a bigger chainring as it was cheaper than a Capreo hub/cassette wheel build.

I installed a 58T chainring for a small improvement. I can pedal up to 40km/h with reasonable comfort. Since the Birdy is my commuting/touring bike, that's adequate.

jmaher 11-12-08 09:02 PM

What would be the easiest things to do to lighten an old style Birdy? I recently purchased a used Birdy red and think a few upgrades may be in order.

Would a new crankset and bottom bracket make a significant difference? The newer ones seem to be integrated and I suspect of much lower weight. Other changes in priority order (or what would make the most difference first)?

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

-Jim

pm124 11-12-08 11:00 PM


Originally Posted by jmaher (Post 7841164)
What would be the easiest things to do to lighten an old style Birdy? I recently purchased a used Birdy red and think a few upgrades may be in order.

Would a new crankset and bottom bracket make a significant difference? The newer ones seem to be integrated and I suspect of much lower weight. Other changes in priority order (or what would make the most difference first)?

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

-Jim

Of course, your tires are the most cost-effective way to get the weight down. But it's most important to make sure you have the puncture protection you need. If you are in the US, Black Dog will build you replacement wheels with lighter hubs. The BB/Cranks isn't a bad way to start. Or you can put a rack on the back with wheels and then you don't need to worry!

This is from the Birdy thread. Some guy that got his to 8Kg:

change comfort stem for an "allround" one (ca. 100 g less, ca. 40g of
this due to the QR)
Stelvio tyres (ca. 215 g each, Maxxis are ca. 355 g each)
Cheng Chin inner tubes for them (ICE states they are 50g lighter than
Schwalbe SV-5A, which are 94 g each)

> I think American Classic are the best value for money as far a lightweight hubs go.
>
> I use the XTR Titanium 9 speed cassette 12-34, IIRC 245g instead of
330 for the Deore LX of the Black. I have changed my chainwheel so

> Of course, if you don't encounter any steep hills, you can use a
much lighter Dura Ace 9-speed cassette as on the Helios XX.
>

> lightweight 16x1" inner tubes (55g), for the other tyres I use the
> Schwalbe SV-5A (94g). SV-4 (claimed 85g) probably are possible,
too.

Component
Make
Weight

Frame incl pivot bearings
R&M
1225

Front fork + suspension (not including steering column)
R&M
902

Rear swingarm + suspension + pivot axle
R&M
884

Front wheel incl rim tape
Sun M14A rim, Tune hub
379

Rear wheel incl rim tape
Sun M14A rim, Tune hub
523

Cassette
TA + 10T lockring sprocket
190

Tires (2)
Stelvio
380

Tubes (2)
Kenda
106

Hub skewers
Control Tech
47

Seatpost
MD
251

Saddle
Selle Italia SLR
115

Steering column
MD (Reynolds 531+ Al + glass)
127

Headset
Ritchie WCS
111

"vertical" stem tube
MD
115

Spacers, bearing adjuster, clamp
anon, FSA, BBB
60

Handlebar stem
Ritchie WCS
125

Handlebar
Ritchie WCS
227

Handlebar tape
15

Brakes
Tektro (shortened)
250

Brake levers (2)
Modolo Orion
142

Brake cables
?
130

Cranks
Storck
319

Chainwheels + bolts
TA 50/38
121

Bottom bracket set
Tune
155

Chain
Shimano Dura-Ace 10 speed
270

Front derailleur + bracket
Campagnolo
126

Rear derailleur
Shimano Dura-Ace
178

Gear levers
SunTour
85

Gear cables
50

Pedals
Steinbach/MD
227


I have no idea what he means by "glass."

jmaher 11-13-08 09:03 AM

Thanks for the detailed list.

-Jim

pm124 11-13-08 10:49 PM

You've got to love that guy's sub 1 Kg wheel set. The standard Birdy rims are strong and only 50g heavier. I found them to be of very high quality and they are drilled 24h. With the new folding tires, you've already made up for the weight difference. But Tune hubs are probably not the way to go, given the high cost. I have an XTR on the back and a Chris King on the front, both bought as open box seconds.

jur 11-13-08 11:47 PM

I have an AmC rear hub ready to go, but the front hub is special - I would have to order that specially. And where to get rims? Perhaps Velocity 349mm ones.

jmaher 11-14-08 07:35 AM

Jur,

Why is the front hub special? In the US Black Dog Bicycles carries the Alex rims for Birdy bikes. They are 24 hole.

I don't think American Classic has a 24 hole rear that will fit. What are you planning on using?

-Jim


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