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Old 02-04-09, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by vmaniqui View Post
hey kitn thanks for the safety advice. i will definitely take that into account when buying one. i am leaning more towards the citizen. my wife also told me to avoid the bike with a small wheel. just a quick question - how cumbersome it is to be lugging the folded citizen in a bus/train. my commute will be - ride the bike for about 2 miles to the bus station then take the bus to bart train. ride the bart train then take another bus that will take me to work. so all in all about 2.5 hours commute for me. i could walk the lenght from my house to the bus station but the problem is i normally go to work 4:30am.....

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If it was me, I'd definitely go with a Strida knockoff. You'll be spending more time on the bus/train than riding and reports are it's every bit as good as its $800 clone.

Don't let the numbers confuse you; all the most popular folding devices like baby strollers, umbrellas, and shopping carts are long and thin because that's the best shape. IMO, squarish folding bikes are a bit of a gimmick (better for advertising, but not as useful). I have one of each (a Carryme and a Downtube 8H) and I've basically concluded that, while a squarish fold is better than no fold, I would never want to drag one around on a daily basis.

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Old 02-05-09, 02:45 AM
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Originally Posted by makeinu View Post
If it was me, I'd definitely go with a Strida knockoff. You'll be spending more time on the bus/train than riding and reports are it's every bit as good as its $800 clone.

Don't let the numbers confuse you; all the most popular folding devices like baby strollers, umbrellas, and shopping carts are long and thin because that's the best shape. IMO, squarish folding bikes are a bit of a gimmick (better for advertising, but not as useful). I have one of each (a Carryme and a Downtube 8H) and I've basically concluded that, while a squarish fold is better than no fold, I would never want to drag one around on a daily basis.
LOL squarish fold a gimmick?? Hilarious.
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Old 02-05-09, 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by makeinu View Post
Don't let the numbers confuse you; all the most popular folding devices like baby strollers, umbrellas, and shopping carts are long and thin because that's the best shape. IMO, squarish folding bikes are a bit of a gimmick (better for advertising, but not as useful). I have one of each (a Carryme and a Downtube 8H) and I've basically concluded that, while a squarish fold is better than no fold, I would never want to drag one around on a daily basis.
I'd agree with this - based on experiences with Brompton and Strida, with the proviso that there are places (car trunks and square lockers) where the minimum cubic folded size is the most important factor. But otherwise lugging a 20 to 30lbs suitcase around is crazy - how many modern suitcases now don't come with smooth rolling wheels and ergonomic extending handles ?

As for fakes being just as good as originals, mmmmm, better value maybe, there is plenty of discussion of that elsewhere.
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Old 02-05-09, 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Simple Simon View Post
As for fakes being just as good as originals, mmmmm, better value maybe, there is plenty of discussion of that elsewhere.
I'm fully willing to admit that it's probably not actually as good, but given the strong reports I'd certainly be convinced enough to buy one over a citizen if I were in the OPs shoes. I mean, let's face it, people generally don't pay big bucks for the Strida because of the workmanship, but the unique design and the knockoff has that while the citizen doesn't. Plus you couldn't even rent an authentic Strida for such a low price, so it's at least worth a try.

BTW, all my bikes are originals and I'm currently in the process of shopping for an expensive handmade British original (not the west london favorite), so I'm obviously not a universal advocate of knockoffs, but the OPs circumstances are different than my own.

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Old 02-05-09, 12:18 PM
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thanks guys,

actually there is this one person selling me her tokyo citizen for $105 (used for a few months) and another one selling his Strida knockoff (used also for a few months) for about $120. all i need is a reliable one to take me from home to the bus station (2 miles top) and same way home. so maximum 4 miles. would be nice too if i can use it for casual riding to Luckys supermarket or home depot or minor biking exercises during the weekends. i am a proponent of original and high quality as my motto is 'you get what you pay for'. but spending over $300 for a downtube or $800 for an original Strida will not work for me. so little choices of folders for limited budget.

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Old 02-05-09, 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by vmaniqui View Post
thanks guys,

actually there is this one person selling me her tokyo citizen for $105 (used for a few months) and another one selling his Strida knockoff (used also for a few months) for about $120. all i need is a reliable one to take me from home to the bus station (2 miles top) and same way home. so maximum 4 miles. would be nice too if i can use it for casual riding to Luckys supermarket or home depot or minor biking exercises during the weekends. i am a proponent of original and high quality as my motto is 'you get what you pay for'. but spending over $300 for a downtube or $800 for an original Strida will not work for me. so little choices of folders for limited budget.

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are you planning on taking the bike onto the train? if you don't need the bike on the other end, just get a clunker and lock it up at the station.
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Old 02-05-09, 11:03 PM
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Vic, since you have narrowed it down to two bikes, a Citizen or a knock-off Strida, you have to ask yourself if you have any hills where you live and plan on riding it.

If there are any hills you will definitely appreciate gears on the bike and the only one of the two choices with gears is the Citizen. So in that case, go for the Citizen.

If you are completely sure you are only going to be riding on level ground then go for the Strida.

Lastly, how tall are you and how much do you weigh? Both bikes have max weight and height caps. You should also take that into account when making your final choice. Good luck.
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Old 02-06-09, 01:49 AM
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kitn. no hills for my ride. just regular asphalt road. by the way i saw the pics you posted. nice. i will be checking out the citizen on saturday and i just found one dahon boardwalk s1 model 2006 for $120 and i will see it tomorrow. is this better ? i will let you know.

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Old 07-27-13, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by KitN View Post
Hi,

I just purchased a Citizen folding bike. I ordered the Tokyo version in silver. I commute all around NYC with it even in the snow, ice, freezing rain and slush. I also purchased a bike bag for it so that I can fold it up and carry it in the bag or throw it into a shopping cart.

My Tokyo is 29 lbs with the front and back fenders and the rear rack. I don't mind the weight. Small wheels = smaller folded footprint which was very important to me. I didn't want a folder with anything bigger than 16" wheels so getting the higher priced models (with larger wheels) wasn't an option for me. (I would have gladly gotten the highest priced model, the Gotham which is alloy and lighter, if they sold it with a 16" wheel option).

If 20" wheels are fine for you, I would suggest you go for the Gotham model. It has a higher class of Shimano deraileur/gears, an alloy frame and is lighter. If you plan on biking in any wet conditions, I would suggest you add the fender/rack kit for $17. I believe it adds about 2-3 lbs of weight to the overall weight of the bike but since the Gotham is only 23 lbs to begin with, it's not a problem.

My Citizen rides quite well. It folds easily and is simple to put in it's carry bag. I did have a problem with the seat stem's build quality. Pieces of aluminum was flaking off and the saddle/seat had a few scuff and a tiny hole in it on the side. I contacted Citizen by email and they promptly replied, replacing the offending seat post and saddle using FedEx. The replacement parts arrived within 3 days of emailing them. They also included a FREE seat bag for my trouble, I guess. I have to admit that Citizen has EXCELLENT customer service. They are prompt, friendly, informative and very nice people.

The first thing I would suggest you do when you get your Citizen is to take it to your LBS to adjust the gearing and brakes or if you are knowledgeable about this sort of thing, you can do it yourself. It's not that there is a problem with any Citizen bikes, it's just that ANY bike that comes directly from the manufacturer, straight out of a box, should be tuned. Normally, if you buy a bike from your LBS they assemble it and tune it for you but since Citizen is a maufacturer that ships the bike directly to you it will need to be tuned.

The bike comes fully assembled. All you have to do is unfold, attatch one of the peddles, adjust the seat and handlebar height and tune the gears/brakes. That's it!

All of Citizen bikes come with 6 gears which is incredibly handy. (My last folder, which was stolen the day after Xmas, only had one speed.) The gearing is of decent range but does focus a little bit more on lower gears which helps greatly if you have any hills to hit.

The build quality of my bike is very good. It's a solid commuting bike. I'm very pleased so far with it's construction. It's one of the best "bangs" for your buck that you can get for a solid folder.

You would be wise to check out purchasing a Citizen if you are looking to maximize your dollars while getting a solid folding bike with very nice features (like fenders, rack, Shimano gearing, and 6 speeds).

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask. I hope you enjoy your Citizen bike.

Hey KitN,

Are you still riding your Tokyo? They are really great looking bikes. How is it after some time of riding them?
Thanks for the review and info!
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Old 07-27-13, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by patrockT View Post
Hey KitN,

Are you still riding your Tokyo? They are really great looking bikes.
How is it after some time of riding them?Thanks for the review and info!
Hi,

A 4 year old thread and KitNs last post was 2 years ago.

rgds, sreten.

The Tokyo is slow, too slow for a decent rider, but good on hills.
The Miami goes a lot faster, but is the same worse on hills.

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